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[halil]

Halil,

You mean when some TC's march by saying "North is Turkish". !!!

In fact, isn't that what you said one time on the forum "The North is Turkish and that's where I live".

The answer to both sides wanting all Greek or all Turkish is a True Federation, since neither will get what they want, other than a North and South States with the majority being TC or GC, or else agree on a proportional land for each community and make a clean break with a clean Partition with a wall between the two sides to separate them. Why fuck around with a disguised partition with a BBF.

Her zamanki gibi gaza gelin.Ah bir kurtula bisen etkilerinden .Gercekleri göreceksin.

Halil, please do me a favour and say what you have to say to me in English, so that everyone understand what it is that you want to tell me.
Just for the record Halil, why is it wrong for me to think in a True Federation and a True Democracy. Where is the crime in that. Just because that is not your "cup of tea", and so be it, but do not ask others to accept anything less, just because it does not sit well with your BBF ideas.

Kikapu,
You can translate it Kikapu, İf i could , i could do it.
No one is stopping you to believe what you are believing. You should show your reactions to everybody if you are honest than i will clamp for you.
you should show your reaction when racist attacks are happening to Turkish Cypriots or other nations. When those things are keep going on you keep quite and finding many excuses .
Don't forget Kikapu , that ROC was forumed from partnership . İt wasn't like other republics in the world . İt wasn't based with majority and minorities rights. under this two side came together and forumed ex-ROC.

Halil,

I have already said that I'm not the world's policeman to complain when anyone makes racist remarks. I do not support any Racist remarks towards anyone, but I also do not support anyone violating others Human and Democratic rights. I'm trying to keep us the TC's honest and as a result, may I say that I get a lot of resistance from some in doing so. Perhaps honesty is not always the best policy to some....too bad, because they will be told regardless when they are not being honest. Let the GC's keep themselves honest. That is not my job. As long as you don't see me support or encourage any Racist views toward TC's or anyone else, don't assume I approve it if I do not complain, assuming that I'm even aware that such Racist remarks have been made in the first place.

Now, you made a complaint to me as to what was said by some GC's on TV with this quote:

Do you hear what the leaders start when they are talking to GC's crowed.
Hellenes of Kipros. and Cyprus is Greek

Then I pointed out to you what you said couple of months ago:

"The North is Turkish and that's where I live".

So Halil, you complain about others for their remarks, but in fact, you are doing the exact same thing, so all I'm doing, is just reminding you that you are just as bad as those who have said "Cyprus is Greek". Then you complain that I'm not being fair. You stay honest and I won't point out your mistakes or others. Lets not be hypocrites Halil. Lets set a better examples than the Fascist who are trying to destroy any peace settlement from both sides with their own agendas. I do not believe you are one of those Fascist Halil, but at the same time, the quotes above from you and from some GC's, both have tendencies of Fascistic views. I only respond to what is written by others Halil. When I see Propaganda, I will point them out, whether you think it is fair or not. It is time to try some honesty for a change by everyone. I encourage all the GC's to do the same when ever they see Propaganda and Fascistic view expressed by some GC's either from forum members, or in the media. You and Zan keep me pretty busy with all the stuff you two posts with your copy/paste on the forum, therefore my time is already spoken for. Thank god VP does not do the same. He has his own special ways however.

So, I plead with all the TC's on here, to please lets keep our argument as honest as possible when it comes to the Cyprus Problems, and the same goes to the GC's also.

Ok. Kikapu,
you call it propaganda , i am telling you it is not . you have to know what the others thinking about you or future of the Cyprus . İ must see changes with my eyes and hear it with my ears than i can agree with you . we can't see it. here it is very basic complain like me from other member writing. These kind of the words are mixing TC's minds.We are hearing them almost everyday Kikapu.
Trust , Trust........

Again i am repeating above writing for you Kikapu.Don't forget Kikapu , that ROC was forumed from partnership . İt wasn't like other republics in the world . İt wasn't based with majority and minorities rights. under this two side came together and forumed ex-ROC

here is the forum member complain

Enjoy Christofias and his attack to the journalist of MEGA channel.
"You are talking to the next president of CyR!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8a_O3W4fF0

An arrogant behavior that reminds us of tactics that were long rejected and buried.

The man is not to be trusted. The whole week is trying to convince us that he is more European than the Europeans, he remembered our Greek origin - he's trying to show that he is more Greek than the Greeks, he said last night that he honours the EOKA heroes !!!!! etc etc.

H foustanella kai ta tsarouhia tou leipoun.

[Oracle]

If one opts for what is merely achievable in their minds, they are twice denying themselves.

So you prefer my system ... but think Kikapu's is more achievable ... and if that were not to be achieved ... all has failed.

And if that were to be achieved... you still have not got what your heart desires ... so again you have failed.

Kik's system is fine for a country like US ... not Cyprus.

Treat each situation by its own merits. It's not one glove fits all ... as women we know we can knit that glove bigger or smaller....

So decide what you want on its merits ... not just on whether it's considered achievable ...

Otherwise we would never have made it to the moon

You should try telling this to Piratis who believes there is one type of system world wide that should be apllied to Cyprus, there are many shades of democracy and human rights. GCs believe it is their god given right to "blend" TCs into a nummerically advantaged GC community allowing them the opportunity to take control of the whole island and therefore taking away our communit rights, this will never happen as TCs are no longer those of he 60s and know exactly what they want, they woudl rather become part of Turkey than "blend" into a GC state, when will you people understand this fact?

Neither I nor you, could teach anything about Democracy and Human Rights to Piratis.

You would do well to listen, and learn from him instead of stubbornly resisting.

You VP, are the pips that float in the smoothie and refuse to blend.

Maybe we need to filter-out the likes of you, in order to achieve our perfect blended Cypriot smoothie.

[Mills Chapman]

Blatant Bisection!

I beseech a backlash to this bisection:

1. No brazen return to the blunders of the ‘60s.
2. Begin a bona fide, balanced solution for a whole Blended Cyprus.
3. Banish the borders bisecting Cyprus, and let us blend.

Looks like a lot of b's to me.

[Oracle]

Surely in this day in age, all persons can integrate into a union of brotherhood as Cypriots with equal rights in all forms. This is the 21st Century, and Cyprus can become one nation unified with all citizens being equal.

That's the spirit ... spoken like a true Paphiti ....

[Oracle]

Blatant Bisection!

I beseech a backlash to this bisection:

1. No brazen return to the blunders of the ‘60s.
2. Begin a bona fide, balanced solution for a whole Blended Cyprus.
3. Banish the borders bisecting Cyprus, and let us blend.

Looks like a lot of b's to me.

Time to move on to "c" .... for a chuckle!

[Natty]

If one opts for what is merely achievable in their minds, they are twice denying themselves.

So you prefer my system ... but think Kikapu's is more achievable ... and if that were not to be achieved ... all has failed.

And if that were to be achieved... you still have not got what your heart desires ... so again you have failed.

Kik's system is fine for a country like US ... not Cyprus.

That’s not entirely true, because even though I’m not getting exactly what I want, If Kikapu’s system were to be achieved I believe that it could lead to a situation that would be very close to what my heart desires, So in essence I only fail once, which is always better than twice…

Treat each situation by its own merits. It's not one glove fits all ... as women we know we can knit that glove bigger or smaller....

So decide what you want on its merits ... not just on whether it's considered achievable ...

Otherwise we would never have made it to the moon

You know I wish I had your level of determination and hope Oracle. I try and hope for the Cyprus I want, but then I get a slap in the face by reality. You have to remember that our side has agreed to a solution based on a federation, so that’s most probably what we’re going to be getting anyway. And that being the case, my preferred form of federation is what Kikapu has put forward. Achieving anything other than a federation would have to mean some sort of a shift in world power, and I don’t see that happening any time soon.

Although, I must say, I never thought that I would ever get to see the North in my lifetime. To me it was always some sort of mythical place, almost like the Garden of Eden, but see I did, and as you mentioned man kind did eventually get to the moon, so maybe I should stick by my guns and hold out? Although hold out for how long? Even though currently I don’t have children, I am planning on having children in the future, and I would hope that I don’t have to pass on the legacy of ‘The Cyprus problem’ to them.

I suppose I would prefer being just happy with a solution (as opposed to absolutely thrilled) rather than despairing for a lifetime and not actually achieving anything, and with Kikapu’s system I think I could be…

[Natty]

Nutty you fruit cake! Where have you disappeared to?

Wouldn’t you like to know…

Let’s just say that it involves top secret government business, but I can’t say more than that or else nutty Natty may not be a member of this forum for much longer…

Enough said I think...

I have been hanging around the forum these past few days, but I’ve been more observing than taking part...

Why, you didn’t miss me did you GR??

[repulsewarrior]

Surely in this day in age, all persons can integrate into a union of brotherhood as Cypriots with equal rights in all forms. This is the 21st Century, and Cyprus can become one nation unified with all citizens being equal.

you can have your cake and eat it too. if we respecttheprincipals on which this county was founded. with a Constitution whic is reformed there will exist a Unitary State which has as a provision the existence of two National Assemblies, instead of a Communal Chamber... and a geography made up of components divided into two zones, instead of municipalities which are either "Greek" or "Turkish".

most importantly, it will allow for the respect of either community by its persons, as a majority toward a minority(ies), and an equality of Individuals which has no bias, because of their ethnicity.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=15874

welcome Paphitis.

[Viewpoint]

If one opts for what is merely achievable in their minds, they are twice denying themselves.

So you prefer my system ... but think Kikapu's is more achievable ... and if that were not to be achieved ... all has failed.

And if that were to be achieved... you still have not got what your heart desires ... so again you have failed.

Kik's system is fine for a country like US ... not Cyprus.

Treat each situation by its own merits. It's not one glove fits all ... as women we know we can knit that glove bigger or smaller....

So decide what you want on its merits ... not just on whether it's considered achievable ...

Otherwise we would never have made it to the moon

You should try telling this to Piratis who believes there is one type of system world wide that should be apllied to Cyprus, there are many shades of democracy and human rights. GCs believe it is their god given right to "blend" TCs into a nummerically advantaged GC community allowing them the opportunity to take control of the whole island and therefore taking away our communit rights, this will never happen as TCs are no longer those of he 60s and know exactly what they want, they woudl rather become part of Turkey than "blend" into a GC state, when will you people understand this fact?

Neither I nor you, could teach anything about Democracy and Human Rights to Piratis.

You would do well to listen, and learn from him instead of stubbornly resisting.

You VP, are the pips that float in the smoothie and refuse to blend.

Maybe we need to filter-out the likes of you, in order to achieve our perfect blended Cypriot smoothie.

Or better still why dont we tell people like you to stay and die abroad and stop telling us who live here what to do, in a language you will understand fuck off.

[repulsewarrior]

pips are nice. they add a crunch and a flavour to a smoothie which is quite satisfying.

...have you never heard of a blizzard?