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Postby Kikapu » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:54 pm

Mills Chapman wrote:Ok, so I admit that Hilary will probably win the Dem. nomination. Maybe Obama is too inexperienced, but I just thought the country needed a fresh take on several issues, particularly foreign policy and the debt, and I think Obama would have been the one to generate new ideas and inspire a lot of currently apathetic citizens. Yes, a good business manager is needed as president, but he could have always hired some experienced administrators for the executive branch (like for his VP, Chief of Staff, and his cabinet). It's a shame that he will probably lose because he did inspire so many people and had a clean ethical record to match.


Mills, whats the big rush to write off Barack Obama.? He is still about 100 delegates in front of Hillary. This race is not over and further more, Obama will get the nomination, assuming the Super Delegates do not ignore the voters in their districts and switch over to Clinton. Personally I do not see it happening. Don't get me wrong, I will vote for Hillary if she is nominated, but what happened last night has only netted her about 30 delegates over Obama, which is nothing to write home about. Not sure about the numbers on the Super delegate accounting. I know Hillary will ride the wave to maximum with last nights results, but she still needs to cross the finishing line before she can claim a splash.!!

McCain would love to run against Hillary and he would do well. Hillary will lose the black voters because of the negative adds towards Obama at the moment. She will lose the Independents, just because they just don't like her, and no republicans are going to vote for her, just because she is a Clinton. Some democrats will vote against Hillary, because she supported Bush's war. McCain is much stronger when it comes to the military and the war issues, than Hillary. So overall, McCain would beat Hillary, despite all the bad things that the country is going through right now under Dummy Bush. The best person to beat McCain is Obama and once the voters see this, Obama will be the Democratic Nominee for the General Elections in November.
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Postby purdey » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:58 pm

We will see.McCain will steal the show,he has the gun lobby right behind him.
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Postby Filitsa » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:59 pm

Mills Chapman wrote:Ok, so I admit that Hilary will probably win the Dem. nomination. Maybe Obama is too inexperienced, but I just thought the country needed a fresh take on several issues, particularly foreign policy and the debt, and I think Obama would have been the one to generate new ideas and inspire a lot of currently apathetic citizens. Yes, a good business manager is needed as president, but he could have always hired some experienced administrators for the executive branch (like for his VP, Chief of Staff, and his cabinet). It's a shame that he will probably lose because he did inspire so many people and had a clean ethical record to match.


Now, Mills, would you have commented to this effect prior to yesterday's results? :D

Generally speaking, Hispanics value the wisdom of the elder and view the African American with some animosity, thus Hillary.
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:19 pm

purdey wrote:We will see.McCain will steal the show,he has the gun lobby right behind him.



Big Deal.............gun lobbyist have always been behind Republican Nominee. What McCain lacks is the support from the Religious Right and the anti abortion crowd, as well as Conservatives who love tax cuts on the rich which McCain did not support Bush on the Tax cuts he made few years ago. Then there are those Red Neck Racist Conservatives who are against immigration reforms that would allow illegals to remain in the USA on a path to US Citizenship. So overall, McCain has a hell of a hill to climb to get the supports he needs from the Conservatives. Gun Lobbyist comes last I'm afraid. McCain's best hope for the White House, will be to run against Hillary which will energize the Conservative base to stick one to Clinton's one more time, because they are still pissed that Bill was not impeached and thrown out of office. They will do their best to keep them both out of the White House.
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Postby GorillaGal » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:20 pm

purdey wrote:We will see.McCain will steal the show,he has the gun lobby right behind him.


that's a joke, right? it's either hillary opr obama, no contest.
i'll vote for either.
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Postby Filitsa » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:37 pm

I don't know, GG. I'm hearing more and more Obama supporters claiming that, should there be a Hillary-McCain showdown, they'll vote for the latter ... I think primarily because he's viewed as moderate. Regardless, the voting public has voiced its dissatisfaction with the neocons, and I'm glad of that.
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Postby GorillaGal » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:40 pm

Filitsa wrote:I don't know, GG. I'm hearing more and more Obama supporters claiming that, should there be a Hillary-McCain showdown, they'll vote for the latter ... I think primarily because he's viewed as moderate. Regardless, the voting public has voiced its dissatisfaction with the neocons, and I'm glad of that.


but th4ere won't be a mcain in the final elections.
mcain? who is that? everything here is hillary or obama.

but then, i am in NY, we naturally support hillary OR obama...mostly Hillary, though, as she is a new yorker these days.
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Postby Filitsa » Wed Mar 05, 2008 7:48 pm

GorillaGal wrote:
Filitsa wrote:I don't know, GG. I'm hearing more and more Obama supporters claiming that, should there be a Hillary-McCain showdown, they'll vote for the latter ... I think primarily because he's viewed as moderate. Regardless, the voting public has voiced its dissatisfaction with the neocons, and I'm glad of that.


but th4ere won't be a mcain in the final elections.
mcain? who is that? everything here is hillary or obama.

but then, i am in NY, we naturally support hillary OR obama...mostly Hillary, though, as she is a new yorker these days.


"These days" indeed. I miss her predecessor. We'll never see the likes of him again ... a dying breed.
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Postby Mills Chapman » Wed Mar 05, 2008 9:34 pm

Kikapu,

Thanks for the well-written response. Mentally, I agree with your reasoning, and I clearly want Obama to win, but my gut tells me that Hillary will find a way to make more people worried about his lack of experience and that that will turn the tide.

Filitsa, I think you're right about the Hispanics, but I wish they would think that maybe a Black president would make it easier for a Hispanic president to be elected someday, who will then do wonderful things for Hispanic-interest groups.

I met a guy in Arkansas once who knocked Hillary onto her butt. He was interviewing some employees in the governor house's kitchen, and he suspected that Hillary was secretly eavesdropping on the other side of the swinging door to the dining room (this is back in the mid-1980s). He quietly pushed the door hard so that it would swing into the dining room fast, and Hillary lost her balance and fell backwards.

Now I don't know if this is true or not, but this man seemed very genuine; he was a writer in Little Rock (capital of Arkansas) whom I struck up a conversation with in a cafeteria. I asked for his take on the Clintons, and he told me that story.
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Postby Greekster91 » Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:58 pm

Hey Obama will get the nomination if he wins Pennsylvania
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