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Postby zan » Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:37 pm

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zan wrote:Not so much enjoyment but more of a reminder..........To wipe my feet before entering my house because there is a hell of a lot of shit wannabes out there.... :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Yeah, yeah, yeah.! :lol: :lol: :lol:

So, what do you think about the American Elections, Zan.??


More undemocratic claptrap.....Obama is just a figure head to try to show the world that the US of A is not a racist corrupt country....He will not and cannot win because he is less likely to be the puppet of the Mafia run US of A.....


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thank you Zan. Now go and take a long deserved break. :lol: :lol:

Listen Zan, this is a good time to ask you a very important question that I have been meaning to ask you for a long time. Don't tell us which district/borough and to whom, but have you ever cast a vote in an election in the UK, and if so, when was the last time, because I get a funny feeling, that this thing called Democracy is not really your kind of "cup of tea".!



I prefer keeping my head up at all times and when a candidate that is worthy of truth and my vote comes along he/she gets it. Tony Blair got my vote every time because he seemed to be the only honest person around that thought of people as his top priority....Maggie Thatcher on the other hand, turned the UK into a business and should have been put in jail for it. The only thing that I am grateful to her for is dragging the Uk into the multicultural 20th century.

If the world was a fair place then Obama should be the next president of the USA......I don't think it will happen..You know why....Because people like you are so wrapped up in protecting a corrupt system that you have been brainwashed into......You know the word....God knows you use it at every opportunity you get..But DEMOCRACY for you is not what it is in essence....Just a bastardised version of the real thing that you murder people all over the world to promote. The emperor is walking around naked and you are still admiring his non-existent cloths... :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


And who ever said that True Democracy was perfect, but against the alternative, specially name in only Democracies, we still do far better than those who are denied their "Democratic Rights". You are all too ready to point the finger to the USA's wrong doing's in the world, and you will not get any complaints from me, and in fact I will agree with you on many failed foreign policies we have made, but just how much different is the policies of the UK's from the US. Take Iraq, Afghanistan, Middle East in general and lets not forget the Falklands. You seem to have exercised your rights in the same Democratic system as I have, so don't try to look down on others, when in fact, you are at the same eye level as others in the West.


You are the one that is constantly on your high horse mate....I prefer the reality horse. What don't like is these so called Truly democratic countries taking away more and more of my rights and making a mockery of the electoral process and not allowing us to voice our concerns. The fact that we only get to see the third world aspects of Iraq and not the real Iraq and you fall for it every time is what annoys me also. The fact that 160,000 Iraqis were killed whilst RUNNING away from the American soldiers and we were stopped from seeing the reality is what annoys me. The fact that you excuse this barbarous act with "We are not perfect" but we still have the right to spread this imperfection around the world is what annoys me. :roll: :roll: :roll:
My vote was more a vote of protest against the Thatcher regime...Far from your perfect or near as damn it perfect society. I should be able to vote for progress not vote against corruption.
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Postby Kikapu » Sat Sep 20, 2008 4:46 pm

zan wrote:You are the one that is constantly on your high horse mate....I prefer the reality horse. What don't like is these so called Truly democratic countries taking away more and more of my rights and making a mockery of the electoral process and not allowing us to voice our concerns. The fact that we only get to see the third world aspects of Iraq and not the real Iraq and you fall for it every time is what annoys me also. The fact that 160,000 Iraqis were killed whilst RUNNING away from the American soldiers and we were stopped from seeing the reality is what annoys me. The fact that you excuse this barbarous act with "We are not perfect" but we still have the right to spread this imperfection around the world is what annoys me. :roll: :roll: :roll:
My vote was more a vote of protest against the Thatcher regime...Far from your perfect or near as damn it perfect society. I should be able to vote for progress not vote against corruption.


You will not find me supporting the Iraq war at all, or all the destruction that has happened there, and if you can find one piece of evidence, then I'll eat my words. I object to the fact, that our dead soldiers are returning home for burial during middle of the night, so that the American people do not get to see it. I believe, that if a nation goes to war of necessity, then the whole country should be made to sacrifice, but not in the West. Life goes on as usual with our sport events and tail gate parties. It is a damn disgraced. But we are not talking about that Zan when we are talking about Democracy. Even Hitler was elected democratically. Was it the fault of democracy that turned him into a Nazi or was it the man himself. We deserve the people we elect, so choose wisely, and even then, there are no guarantees. But I will ask you once again Zan. What is the alternative, the so called name in only Democracies that are all over the place, or a Democracy, where we still get a chance once every 4-5 years to change the leaders we don't like, because we made a mistake 4-5 years earlier or that they did not live up to our expectations. Look at Mubarak of Egypt. He has been there for the last 30 years, because no one is allowed to oppose him. Denktash did the same thing in a way, by importing settlers to vote for him. He too called that Democracy, did he not.??
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:41 pm

As of September 21, 2008.

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Postby paliometoxo » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:02 pm

as long as bush is gone that is ok...
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Postby dinos » Tue Sep 23, 2008 5:17 am

Kikapu wrote:As of September 21, 2008.

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This is a good map. If Obama wins the states that are strongly backing him as well as the ones where he's barely ahead, he'll have 269 EV's. He'd only need a state as small as NH FTW.
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:09 am

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Kikapu wrote:As of September 21, 2008.

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http://www.electoral-vote.com/


This is a good map. If Obama wins the states that are strongly backing him as well as the ones where he's barely ahead, he'll have 269 EV's. He'd only need a state as small as NH FTW.


Hi Dinos,

Someone else seems to agree with you. This is from someone making a contribution on the same link as above.

Obama only needs one of six battleground states to win. You don't need them all. Virgina and Colorado look like good candidates right now. Ohio could flip. Missouri is lost. Florida could flip. As could Nevada. McCain has to win all of them.



Obama needs to remind the voters, that had the Republicans (McCain) had it their way in investing part of our Social Security contributions into stocks on Wall Street, we would all be worse off than we already are with the loses happening now.

McCain is taking Palin (plain) to the UN to meet some world leaders to educate her on foreign affairs. I guess her claiming that she can see Russia from her window in Alaska has not convinced people that she is quiet ready yet. :lol:

I guess this will be like "take your daughter to work day" for McCain.! :lol:

Lets hope Palin won't pee in her pants and embarrass "Daddy McCain".! :lol:

I think perhaps Christofias should have taken Talat with him to the UN also, to shown him where the world leaders meet and discuss world's affairs. It would have broaden his horizon a little. After all, he may be in a position to become a
"shared President" one day, if he decides to be his own man, that is.! :lol:
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:45 pm

So, our little lady of "empty skirt" Gov. Sarah Palin has met with Afghan President Hamid Karzai, so that she can become an expert on foreign policy affairs. :lol: :lol:

That figures, she meets someone whom we have installed as a puppet President of Afghanistan while we are occupying that country and fighting a war that has been going on for the last 7 years with no end in sight, other than, the Taliban making a comeback. So, the longer we are there fighting the Taliban, the stronger they have become. There is something drastically wrong with this picture.

Well, lets see how Karzai may help Palin. For starters, she will be able to fit into his clothes easily, since they are somewhat a unisex designers. :lol:

Lets see now. Karzai has been in "power" close to 6 years now, and yet, the only area that he can be a "President", is only in Kabul. I think Palin had more power in that little town of 7,000 when she was a mayor a while back in Alaska. Karzai cannot go anywhere beyond Kabul and he is going to teach Palin about foreign policy. Talk about "Blind leading a Blind" here. :lol:

Anyway, nobody cares about foreign policy at the moment. It's the "Economy Stupid", as Bill Clinton said in 1992. Well, if it was just a joke back then, it is no longer. McCain should have picked a running mate who understands the economy, so that he doesn't go around looking stupid with statements such as "The Fundamentals of our Economy are Sound" as the pillars holding Wall St together were crumpling and not someone who compares themselves to a Pit Bull with lipsticks on.
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Postby Kikapu » Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:02 pm

Schedule of U.S. campaign debates
Published: September 23, 2008

A series of U.S. campaign debates will begin this week when John McCain, the Republican candidate, and Barack Obama, the Democratic candidate, confront each other Friday evening. Three presidential debates and one vice-presidential debate will take place in the weeks before the election Nov. 4.

THE SCHEDULE

Friday, Sept. 26: Presidential debate on foreign policy and national security, moderated by Jim Lehrer of PBS at the University of Mississippi in Oxford, Mississippi, with the candidates standing at lecterns.

Thursday, Oct. 2: Vice-presidential debate, moderated by Gwen Ifill of PBS at Washington University in St. Louis, Missouri.

Tuesday, Oct. 7 Presidential debate with questions on any topic from those in attendance and from the Internet, moderated by Tom Brokaw of NBC News at Belmont University in Nashville, Tennessee, in a town hall-style format.

Wednesday, Oct. 15 Presidential debate on domestic and economic policy, moderated by Bob Schieffer of CBS News at Hofstra University in Hempstead, New York, with candidates seated at a table.

All four debates will last 90 minutes. They will be carried live by CNN International and BBC World and will begin at 1 a.m. the following day, Coordinated Universal Time. CNN will also replay the debates 8 and 18 hours later, starting at 9 a.m. and 7 p.m. UTC.

Sample starting times for the first debate:

New York, 9 p.m. Friday

Paris, 3 a.m. Saturday

Hong Kong, 9 a.m. Saturday

http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/09/23/ ... ebates.php
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Postby Kikapu » Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:38 pm

FOX News Poll: Obama Reclaims Lead Over McCain, 45% to 39%

by FOXNews.com
Wednesday, September 24, 2008

Barack Obama has recaptured the lead — 45 percent to 39 percent — over John McCain in the presidential race, according to a FOX News poll released Wednesday.

As majorities of each party’s faithful back their party nominee, the battle stays focused on that most sought-after group of voters: independents.

These voters, evenly divided between the candidates in August, swung to McCain earlier this month, which gave him his first lead over Obama since April. In this latest poll independents give a slight edge to Obama, though many have moved back into the undecided column.

In addition, the poll shows Obama has improved his position on the most important issue to voters this year — the economy. He is seen as the best candidate to handle the nation’s economy, and more voters also say he would be better at handling the current financial crisis facing the country.

Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from September 22 to September 23. The poll has a 3-point error margin.

McCain held a 3-point advantage earlier this month immediately after the Republican convention (September 8-9). Before that Obama had a 3-point lead going into the Democratic convention (August 19-20). Looking back as far as a year ago, in head-to-head polling neither candidate has had a lead outside the poll’s margin of sampling error. Obama’s lead today is just at the outside edge of the margin of error.

The new poll finds Obama now has the edge among men (+5 percentage points) — a group that had previously either been evenly divided or slightly in McCain’s column. Obama maintains his advantage among women voters + 8, while white women are a bit more likely to support McCain (+2).

Obama Has the Edge on Top Issues

The economy is far and away the most important issue to voters in this election. More than four times as many people say the economy (46 percent) is the top concern as choose the issue — terrorism and national security (10 percent). All other issues receive single digit support.

Obama is trusted more to handle the economy by 10 percentage points, the related issue of taxes by 7 points, and he also leads on handling energy independence by 10 points. His largest advantage — 21 points — is on handling the issue of health care.

By double-digit margins McCain is trusted more to handle the issues of terrorism (+ 12 points) and the Iraq war +8 points.

Nearly twice as many voters think their taxes will go up under a President Obama (15 percent) than a President McCain (8 percent). A 65 percent majority thinks their taxes will go up no matter which candidate takes the White House.

Which candidate do voters trust to keep his word? Some 41 percent think Obama and 38 percent McCain. Another 10 percent say “neither.”

By a 5-point margin more voters think the Democratic ticket has “better judgment combined” — a reversal from two weeks ago when the Republican ticket had a 4-point edge.

The Democratic ticket has a 12-point edge when it comes to bringing the “right change to Washington,” up from a 7-point lead two weeks ago. The Obama-Biden ticket also has the edge on understanding “the problems you and your family face these days” (+13 points).

The Republican ticket is seen as having “more experience combined” (+ 15 points).

Voters are now almost evenly divided when asked who they would go to for advice if they had to make the “toughest decision of their life” — 40 percent say Obama and 39 percent McCain. Earlier this month McCain had a 16-point advantage on this measure (50 percent to Obama’s 34 percent). McCain had a 6-point edge in the August 19-20 poll (43 percent McCain and 37 percent Obama).

Among independents, 34 percent would go to Obama for advice and 31 percent McCain. This too is a change — earlier this month independents broke 22 percent Obama and 52 percent McCain. In August, 26 percent of independents said they would go to Obama for advice and 41 percent said McCain.

With the struggling national economy, the prolonged Iraq war and high disapproval ratings for President Bush, the conventional wisdom has been it is impossible for a Democratic candidate to lose this election. How would voters explain an Obama loss? About one of four voters (26 percent) say if Obama loses they think racism will be to blame. A-57 percent majority thinks it would be for another reason.

Over half of black voters (55 percent) and about one of five white voters (22 percent) think racism across the country would be to blame if Obama is defeated in November.

On a similar question about McCain’s age, 17 percent think if he loses it will be mainly because of his age and 68 percent say because of something else. Twenty-five percent of seniors age 65 and over think McCain’s age would be to blame if he loses.

Voters More Comfortable with Biden Stepping in as President

More voters would be comfortable with Joe Biden as vice president as would be comfortable with Sarah Palin in that role. Some 40 percent would be “extremely” comfortable or “very” comfortable with Biden as vice president, while 34 percent would be with Palin.

Similarly, when the question asks what if it were necessary for the vice president to step in and serve as president: 44 percent would be “extremely” or “very” comfortable with Biden as president, and 32 percent with Palin.

The big difference comes at the other end of the scale: 38 percent of voters say they would be “not at all” comfortable with Palin stepping in to serve as president — more than twice as many as say the same about Biden (17 percent).

Palin’s favorable rating has dropped a bit and now stands at 47 percent, down from 54 percent two weeks ago. Nearly half of voters — 48 percent — have a favorable view of Biden, down from 51 percent (September 8-9).

Unfair Attacks

The presidential candidates say they want to run respectful campaigns focused on the issues — so are they? Almost half of voters (47 percent) think McCain has made unfair attacks against Obama — somewhat higher than the 36 percent who think Obama is hitting below the belt.

Click here to view the raw data.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/24 ... -45-to-39/
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Postby Kikapu » Thu Sep 25, 2008 2:28 pm

John McCain "Missing in Action" from David Letterman's "The Late Show".!! :lol: :lol:

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