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[halil]

Apparently, the government in Ankara has convinced the military to go along with its strategy on the Cyprus issue, expected to be endorsed in the near future

BARÇIN YİNANÇ
Had Rauf Denktaş heard the remarks of his successor Mehmet Ali Talat at a meeting with a foreign ambassador, it would have brought tears to his eyes. “Why don't you say there is one Cypriot people but two communities on the island,” the ambassador asked Turkish Cyprus President Talat. The latter's reply was, “I used to talk like that. But after having seen the attitude of the Greek Cypriots I realized that there are two people on the island.” A striking case of how Talat's stance has come to resemble that of Denktaş's.

For years Talat was “persona non grata” for Ankara. The reason why he is on good terms with the Turkish government is not only due to the latter's reversal of state policy on Cyprus, bringing it closer to Talat's line. It is also due to the gradual change in Talat's views, which have come closer to Ankara's traditional position.

Once upon a time:

The same is obviously not the case as far as relations with the military are concerned.

In particular, relations between the Turkish Cypriot government and the armed forces were strained to the point where Gen. Hayri Kıvrıkoğlu, Turkish top commander of the armed forces on the island, even refused to shake the hand of Turkish Cypriot Prime Minister Ferdi Sabit Soyer. The tension, which peaked last summer, seems to be abating, giving way to normalization between the two sides.

The participation by the top commander at the wedding of Soyer's son is said to be one of the steps toward breaking the ice between the military cadres and the government.

It looks like the explanation for the improvement in relations can be found on the mainland rather than on the island. The government seems to have reached an understanding on the Cyprus strategy and the natural result of this understanding has been the easing of tensions on the island.

Apparently, the government in Ankara has convinced the military of the strategy to be endorsed in the near future on the Cyprus issue. As some might remember, the military was very uneasy over the Justice and Development Party's pro-solution stance. It had serious concerns during the whole process that led to the final version of the Annan plan. So it came as a relief to the military when the Greek Cypriots rejected the plan in the referendum. Since then, the military's position has been: “The Turkish side did its best. There is no longer need for further talks.”

Same aim, different strategies:

It seems that the government expended every effort to make the military accept that the lack of a solution is to the interest of neither Turkey nor Turkish Cyprus. Obviously what matters here is what kind of a solution Ankara is seeking. Basically, whatever the election results in Greek Cyprus, bureaucrats have no hope that a process similar to the last U.N. initiative that led to the Annan plan for a comprehensive solution will emerge. It seems that they have convinced the military with this reasoning: “Let's do our best to contribute to a solution. The Greek Cypriot side does not want a solution that could satisfy both sides. At the end of the day the whole world is going to understand that an acceptable solution for both sides cannot be reached with the Greek Cypriots. The existence of two separate entities on the island will be recognized sooner or later.”

This is reminiscent of the message Abdullah Gül gave Denktaş when he went to the island after he was elected president. “We have the same aim. Our strategies are different.”

The first round of presidential elections will be held in Greek Cyprus. Ankara seems to have shaped its strategy and is ready for the post-election period. Quite an atypical situation for Turkish foreign policy.

[paliometoxo]

the hope for two seperate states all along and the turkish plaming us for it and saying bull S all the time to the press on hwo they WANT re unification then talk about how they deserve 50% of power from the 1960 agreement, but they only take bits of the 1960 agreement that suite them then ignore the rest.. the minority in turkey of kurds they are happy to leave them with nothing but when its their own minority in cyprus its "unacceptable" to have any less then 50% power in cy.

they are happy to ignore that the 1960 agreement says NOTHING about two states and that makarios was forced into signing the agreement in the first place, their idea of a solution is cyprus is turkey number two now go away cypriots..

It was a mistake to vote tassos out of power now cy is going straight to hell...

[shahmaran]

Who says the Kurds are left with "nothing" in Turkey?

They have their own party "DTP" which openly fails to condemn the PKK, refuses to acknowledge it as an international terrorist organization, as the international community has done, includes members that have family ties with high ranking terrorist within the PKK, yet somehow, still manages to survive as a legitimate political party representing the Kurds and the separatists.

What do we have amongst the "RoC"?

Can we vote?

[pantheman]

Who says the Kurds are left with "nothing" in Turkey?

They have their own party "DTP" which openly fails to condemn the PKK, refuses to acknowledge it as an international terrorist organization, as the international community has done, includes members that have family ties with high ranking terrorist within the PKK, yet somehow, still manages to survive as a legitimate political party representing the Kurds and the separatists.

What do we have amongst the "RoC"?

Can we vote?

Shah, now come on mate. Wow they have a political party, whoopee, well how about you get your selves a political party, hand back the occupied areas to the RoC and be happy, just like the Kurds are

No, I thought not, whats good for the goose is not for the gander huh?

As for voting, yes you can vote, go register like the 391 other TCs and vote, nothing to stop you, just quit the whinging. You know and I know you are wrong.

[Kikapu]

As some might remember, the military was very uneasy over the Justice and Development Party's pro-solution stance. It had serious concerns during the whole process that led to the final version of the Annan plan. So it came as a relief to the military when the Greek Cypriots rejected the plan in the referendum. Since then, the military's position has been: “The Turkish side did its best. There is no longer need for further talks.”

This is reminiscent of the message Abdullah Gül gave Denktaş when he went to the island after he was elected president. “We have the same aim. Our strategies are different.”

Where was Talat. I was under the impression, Talat was in charge and not Denktash.

The existence of two separate entities on the island will be recognized sooner or later.”

As a line from one of my favourite movies, "Blazing Saddles" is quoted as saying, when the Black Sheriff tells the drunken gunslinger "Waco Kid" , that "man who drink like that is going to die" and the reply was........ "WHEN"...!! :lol:

[Nikitas]

"It seems that they have convinced the military with this reasoning:"

In a democracy the elected government does not have to convince the military of anything. The assumption is that civilians are the boss. And there is the root of the problem, that Turkey is not a democracy and does not share the assumptions of democracy. There is nothing but the "deep state" at work and the politicians are there simply as decorative elements. With this assumption underlying the situation there is no point in talking.

[pantheman]

"It seems that they have convinced the military with this reasoning:"

In a democracy the elected government does not have to convince the military of anything. The assumption is that civilians are the boss. And there is the root of the problem, that Turkey is not a democracy and does not share the assumptions of democracy. There is nothing but the "deep state" at work and the politicians are there simply as decorative elements. With this assumption underlying the situation there is no point in talking.

Nikitas, you beat me too it.

I had exactly the same thoughts when I read this. Why is the 'elected' government trying to reason with its military. Just who is in charge here?

TCs take note, this is what we have been saying all long, and you have rubbished us all the way, Turkeys military is calling the shots (excuse the pun) on Cyprus not YOU.

And that my dear watson is straight from the horses mouth.

[Natty]

As a line from one of my favourite movies, "Blazing Saddles" is quoted as saying, when the Black Sheriff tells the drunken gunslinger "Waco Kid" , that "man who drink like that is going to die" and the reply was........ "WHEN"...!! :lol:

Kikapu, please let me know if you are ever planning on writing a book of Famous quotes and Old Turkish Proverbs, because I would definitely be interested in purchasing a copy!

It seems like you have so many old sayings and quotes floating around up there in the old brain department; it makes perfect sense to put them on paper. I even have a suggestion on what you could call it, how about 'Kik-a-poos book of famous quotes and old Turkish Proverbs', you know something original, what do you think?

[shahmaran]

Turkish military ONLY calls the shots regarding Ataturks laws and the unitary well being of Turkey, what do you think, an average Turks loves the fact that their taxes goes to pay the new flashy car of the average unemployed lazy TC?

You guys are living in a dream land where you just need to find excuses to blame someone for the consequences of the foolish actions of yours and our ancestors, well wake the fuck up, because no one buys your shit here, specially not in the North.

You might be able to fool the average European dweeb and gather a whole crowd of ignorant fucks to cry for human rights with you, but the reality is that ALL Cypriots are paying for the actions of a few GC's and TC's, and Turkey is no where near at the top of the list of the responsible for our current state, the sooner you wake up the better, so we can actually move on.

Ignorant jerks such as Phoenix, Phanteman and Paliometexo are good for nothing but stirring racist shit on this forum and divert all debates into an unsolvable moronic insult race which does nothing for the cause of Cyprus.

Where are all these so called "true Cypriots" when you really need them?

Oh i know, they only seem to work their brains when its a TC claiming for justice, not when people are spilling further divisive racist scum into the conflict, well nice one.

[Oracle]

Turkish military ONLY calls the shots regarding Ataturks laws and the unitary well being of Turkey, what do you think, an average Turks loves the fact that their taxes goes to pay the new flashy car of the average unemployed lazy TC?

You guys are living in a dream land where you just need to find excuses to blame someone for the consequences of the foolish actions of yours and our ancestors, well wake the fuck up, because no one buys your shit here, specially not in the North.

You might be able to fool the average European dweeb and gather a whole crowd of ignorant fucks to cry for human rights with you, but the reality is that ALL Cypriots are paying for the actions of a few GC's and TC's, and Turkey is no where near at the top of the list of the responsible for our current state, the sooner you wake up the better, so we can actually move on.

Ignorant jerks such as Phoenix, Phanteman and Paliometexo are good for nothing but stirring racist shit on this forum and divert all debates into an unsolvable moronic insult race which does nothing for the cause of Cyprus.

Where are all these so called "true Cypriots" when you really need them?

Oh i know, they only seem to work their brains when its a TC claiming for justice, not when people are spilling further divisive racist scum into the conflict, well nice one.

No! .... it's comments like these that keep as occupied by the military of Turkey:
Total disregard for human rights and absolving the actions of Turkey.

Well done shah, you are another great spokesperson for the racist, military dictatorship of Turkey.