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[Get Real!]

Unfortunately we have a communist president.
Kala na pathoume, lene oti kathe laos ehei ton igeti pou tou aksizei. To 47% omos ti fteei?

Feel free to go live in Greece and wrap yourselves up with her flag until you reach boiling point.

Hey, how come there were so many Greek flags at the DIKO gathering after the elections?

Disappointing! Most likely Greek nationalist scum camouflaged as center-party Cypriots.

[cypezokyli]

Epetrepse mou na diafoniso meganecc. O Tornaritis, proedros tis epitropis paidias sti vouli, dilose oti to AKEL ethese thema na katargithei to mathina ton thiskeftikon aki na ginei proeretiko. Kati pou ta alla kommata profanos den simfonisan.
Prin liges meres sto SIGMA se mia ekpompi otan o Tornaritis to anafere, i Antroula Giourof tis haravgis ohi mono den to diepsevse alla to iperaspistike.

Ti tha ginei re file, that ksehasoume kai ta pistevo mas kai tha proskinoume to Che?!

Rafaellitsa, mporeis na mou peis se parakalo poios sou eipe na proskinas ton Che, kai ti aggouri mpenei ston K*lo sou ean ginei proeretiko to mathima ton thriskeftikon sta scholia? Echei olos o plithismos mias xoras, oloi i polites, tin idia thriskia? Eina to dikaioma stin aneksithriskia, ena anthropino dikaioma, i den einai? Ean enas kyprios politis (forologoumenos malista) einai Boudistis, tha tou kanoume mathima Boudistikis thriskias, i den einai oloi oi polites isoi metaksi tous? Kai ean einai atheos, den einai dikaioma tou?

Poios einai poio fasistas Rafaellitsa, aytos pou sou leei to mathima ton thriskeytikon (i didaskalia mias sikgekrimenis thriskias ennoeitai) na einai proeretiko, kai ean theleis mporeis na to parakolouthisis; i esy pou theleis na epivaleis stous allous (se olous) tin didaskalia tis dikis sou thriskias?

Den ksero, alla sto diko mou mou myalo, esei eise pou ozeis fasistario -apo 1,000 milia malista!

kind of rude but funny.

i have to say i agree with kifeas all the way.

and sth for rafaella.

tornaritis and chrysostomos most proably did more harm to kasoulides than good.

its amazing but i ve been hearing such stupidities the whole last week . i dont know how people come to believe them ......

christofias is no communist. he has nothing to do with the left.
the only left thing that will happen is that theres going to be more left rousfet.

let me put it that way.
if he wants to abolish the religious studies, i will support him.
but he didnot proove that he has the balls up to now.

so relax.
today we just woke up and went back to work.... all of us

[Get Real!]

Epetrepse mou na diafoniso meganecc. O Tornaritis, proedros tis epitropis paidias sti vouli, dilose oti to AKEL ethese thema na katargithei to mathina ton thiskeftikon aki na ginei proeretiko. Kati pou ta alla kommata profanos den simfonisan.
Prin liges meres sto SIGMA se mia ekpompi otan o Tornaritis to anafere, i Antroula Giourof tis haravgis ohi mono den to diepsevse alla to iperaspistike.

Ti tha ginei re file, that ksehasoume kai ta pistevo mas kai tha proskinoume to Che?!

Rafaellitsa, mporeis na mou peis se parakalo poios sou eipe na proskinas ton Che, kai ti aggouri mpenei ston K*lo sou ean ginei proeretiko to mathima ton thriskeftikon sta scholia? Echei olos o plithismos mias xoras, oloi i polites, tin idia thriskia? Eina to dikaioma stin aneksithriskia, ena anthropino dikaioma, i den einai? Ean enas kyprios politis (forologoumenos malista) einai Boudistis, tha tou kanoume mathima Boudistikis thriskias, i den einai oloi oi polites isoi metaksi tous? Kai ean einai atheos, den einai dikaioma tou?

Poios einai poio fasistas Rafaellitsa, aytos pou sou leei to mathima ton thriskeytikon (i didaskalia mias sikgekrimenis thriskias ennoeitai) na einai proeretiko, kai ean theleis mporeis na to parakolouthisis; i esy pou theleis na epivaleis stous allous (se olous) tin didaskalia tis dikis sou thriskias?

Den ksero, alla sto diko mou mou myalo, esei eise pou ozeis fasistario -apo 1,000 milia malista!

kind of rude but funny.

I have to agree with that... we need to have a red line we never cross but try explaining that to Chapfallen!

[miltiades]

That pisses me off. Some Akelites were complaining about some Dysi supporters holding greek flags, and when they win the election they themselves hold and wave Che Guevara flags and banners. These banners are offensive as half of Cyprus thinks it is acceptable to idolise a murderer as their hero.

At the beginning of joining, I thought you were someone who was trying to make sense! It didn't take long, Paphitis, and your true colors and ignorance have surfaced! On what accounts do you class Che Guevara as a murderer! All the man did was to help the locals to set up groups and organize rebellions against military dictatorship (Junta fascist) regimes, in Latin and Central America! Why is he a murderer, and all the anti-colonial freedom fighters all around the world (not excluding 1955 Εoka struggle) aren’t? Why is he a murderer, and not Afxendiou for example?

Back to your old tune Kifeas , anyone not agreeing with you is either ignorant or clueless .Pafitis is absolutely right on Che Guevara being a murderer. How dare you compare him to Afxendiou or EOKA.
The man was full of hate lived his life as a killing machine.
Here is a little interesting article on comrade Che , based on his own writtings.

No man is without some redeeming qualities. In the case of Che Guevara, those qualities may help us to measure the gulf that separates reality from myth. His honesty (well, partial honesty) meant that he left written testimony of his cruelties, including the really ugly, though not the ugliest, stuff. His courage—what Castro described as “his way, in every difficult and dangerous moment, of doing the most difficult and dangerous thing”—meant that he did not live to take full responsibility for Cuba’s hell. Myth can tell you as much about an era as truth. And so it is that thanks to Che’s own testimonials to his thoughts and his deeds, and thanks also to his premature departure, we may know exactly how deluded so many of our contemporaries are about so much.

Guevara might have been enamored of his own death, but he was much more enamored of other people’s deaths. In April 1967, speaking from experience, he summed up his homicidal idea of justice in his “Message to the Tricontinental”: “hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine.” His earlier writings are also peppered with this rhetorical and ideological violence. Although his former girlfriend Chichina Ferreyra doubts that the original version of the diaries of his motorcycle trip contains the observation that “I feel my nostrils dilate savoring the acrid smell of gunpowder and blood of the enemy,” Guevara did share with Granado at that very young age this exclamation: “Revolution without firing a shot? You’re crazy.” At other times the young bohemian seemed unable to distinguish between the levity of death as a spectacle and the tragedy of a revolution’s victims. In a letter to his mother in 1954, written in Guatemala, where he witnessed the overthrow of the revolutionary government of Jacobo Arbenz, he wrote: “It was all a lot of fun, what with the bombs, speeches, and other distractions to break the monotony I was living in.”

Guevara’s disposition when he traveled with Castro from Mexico to Cuba aboard the Granma is captured in a phrase in a letter to his wife that he penned on January 28, 1957, not long after disembarking, which was published in her book Ernesto: A Memoir of Che Guevara in Sierra Maestra: “Here in the Cuban jungle, alive and bloodthirsty.” This mentality had been reinforced by his conviction that Arbenz had lost power because he had failed to execute his potential enemies. An earlier letter to his former girlfriend Tita Infante had observed that “if there had been some executions, the government would have maintained the capacity to return the blows.” It is hardly a surprise that during the armed struggle against Batista, and then after the triumphant entry into Havana, Guevara murdered or oversaw the executions in summary trials of scores of people—proven enemies, suspected enemies, and those who happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

In January 1957, as his diary from the Sierra Maestra indicates, Guevara shot Eutimio Guerra because he suspected him of passing on information: “I ended the problem with a .32 caliber pistol, in the right side of his brain.... His belongings were now mine.” Later he shot Aristidio, a peasant who expressed the desire to leave whenever the rebels moved on. While he wondered whether this particular victim “was really guilty enough to deserve death,” he had no qualms about ordering the death of Echevarría, a brother of one of his comrades, because of unspecified crimes: “He had to pay the price.” At other times he would simulate executions without carrying them out, as a method of psychological torture.

Luis Guardia and Pedro Corzo, two researchers in Florida who are working on a documentary about Guevara, have obtained the testimony of Jaime Costa Vázquez, a former commander in the revolutionary army known as “El Catalán,” who maintains that many of the executions attributed to Ramiro Valdés, a future interior minister of Cuba, were Guevara’s direct responsibility, because Valdés was under his orders in the mountains. “If in doubt, kill him” were Che’s instructions. On the eve of victory, according to Costa, Che ordered the execution of a couple dozen people in Santa Clara, in central Cuba, where his column had gone as part of a final assault on the island. Some of them were shot in a hotel, as Marcelo Fernándes-Zayas, another former revolutionary who later became a journalist, has written—adding that among those executed, known as casquitos, were peasants who had joined the army simply to escape unemployment.


But the “cold-blooded killing machine” did not show the full extent of his rigor until, immediately after the collapse of the Batista regime, Castro put him in charge of La Cabaña prison. (Castro had a clinically good eye for picking the right person to guard the revolution against infection.) San Carlos de La Cabaña was a stone fortress used to defend Havana against English pirates in the eighteenth century; later it became a military barracks. In a manner chillingly reminiscent of Lavrenti Beria, Guevara presided during the first half of 1959 over one of the darkest periods of the revolution. José Vilasuso, a lawyer and a professor at Universidad Interamericana de Bayamón in Puerto Rico, who belonged to the body in charge of the summary judicial process at La Cabaña, told me recently that

Che was in charge of the Comisión Depuradora. The process followed the law of the Sierra: there was a military court and Che’s guidelines to us were that we should act with conviction, meaning that they were all murderers and the revolutionary way to proceed was to be implacable. My direct superior was Miguel Duque Estrada. My duty was to legalize the files before they were sent on to the Ministry. Executions took place from Monday to Friday, in the middle of the night, just after the sentence was given and automatically confirmed by the appellate body. On the most gruesome night I remember, seven men were executed.

Javier Arzuaga, the Basque chaplain who gave comfort to those sentenced to die and personally witnessed dozens of executions, spoke to me recently from his home in Puerto Rico. A former Catholic priest, now seventy-five, who describes himself as “closer to Leonardo Boff and Liberation Theology than to the former Cardinal Ratzinger,” he recalls that

there were about eight hundred prisoners in a space fit for no more than three hundred: former Batista military and police personnel, some journalists, a few businessmen and merchants. The revolutionary tribunal was made of militiamen. Che Guevara presided over the appellate court. He never overturned a sentence. I would visit those on death row at the galera de la muerte. A rumor went around that I hypnotized prisoners because many remained calm, so Che ordered that I be present at the executions. After I left in May, they executed many more, but I personally witnessed fifty-five executions. There was an American, Herman Marks, apparently a former convict. We called him “the butcher” because he enjoyed giving the order to shoot. I pleaded many times with Che on behalf of prisoners. I remember especially the case of Ariel Lima, a young boy. Che did not budge. Nor did Fidel, whom I visited. I became so traumatized that at the end of May 1959 I was ordered to leave the parish of Casa Blanca, where La Cabaña was located and where I had held Mass for three years. I went to Mexico for treatment. The day I left, Che told me we had both tried to bring one another to each other’s side and had failed. His last words were: “When we take our masks off, we will be enemies.”

How many people were killed at La Cabaña? Pedro Corzo offers a figure of some two hundred, similar to that given by Armando Lago, a retired economics professor who has compiled a list of 179 names as part of an eight-year study on executions in Cuba. Vilasuso told me that four hundred people were executed between January and the end of June in 1959 (at which point Che ceased to be in charge of La Cabaña). Secret cables sent by the American Embassy in Havana to the State Department in Washington spoke of “over 500.” According to Jorge Castañeda, one of Guevara’s biographers, a Basque Catholic sympathetic to the revolution, the late Father Iñaki de Aspiazú, spoke of seven hundred victims. Félix Rodríguez, a CIA agent who was part of the team in charge of the hunt for Guevara in Bolivia, told me that he confronted Che after his capture about “the two thousand or so” executions for which he was responsible during his lifetime. “He said they were all CIA agents and did not address the figure,” Rodríguez recalls. The higher figures may include executions that took place in the months after Che ceased to be in charge of the prison.

Which brings us back to Carlos Santana and his chic Che gear. In an open letter published in El Nuevo Herald on March 31 of this year, the great jazz musician Paquito D’Rivera castigated Santana for his costume at the Oscars, and added: “One of those Cubans [at La Cabaña] was my cousin Bebo, who was imprisoned there precisely for being a Christian. He recounts to me with infinite bitterness how he could hear from his cell in the early hours of dawn the executions, without trial or process of law, of the many who died shouting, ‘Long live Christ the King!’”

[Kifeas]

Epetrepse mou na diafoniso meganecc. O Tornaritis, proedros tis epitropis paidias sti vouli, dilose oti to AKEL ethese thema na katargithei to mathina ton thiskeftikon aki na ginei proeretiko. Kati pou ta alla kommata profanos den simfonisan.
Prin liges meres sto SIGMA se mia ekpompi otan o Tornaritis to anafere, i Antroula Giourof tis haravgis ohi mono den to diepsevse alla to iperaspistike.

Ti tha ginei re file, that ksehasoume kai ta pistevo mas kai tha proskinoume to Che?!

Rafaellitsa, mporeis na mou peis se parakalo poios sou eipe na proskinas ton Che, kai ti aggouri mpenei ston K*lo sou ean ginei proeretiko to mathima ton thriskeftikon sta scholia? Echei olos o plithismos mias xoras, oloi i polites, tin idia thriskia? Eina to dikaioma stin aneksithriskia, ena anthropino dikaioma, i den einai? Ean enas kyprios politis (forologoumenos malista) einai Boudistis, tha tou kanoume mathima Boudistikis thriskias, i den einai oloi oi polites isoi metaksi tous? Kai ean einai atheos, den einai dikaioma tou?

Poios einai poio fasistas Rafaellitsa, aytos pou sou leei to mathima ton thriskeytikon (i didaskalia mias sikgekrimenis thriskias ennoeitai) na einai proeretiko, kai ean theleis mporeis na to parakolouthisis; i esy pou theleis na epivaleis stous allous (se olous) tin didaskalia tis dikis sou thriskias?

Den ksero, alla sto diko mou mou myalo, esei eise pou ozeis fasistario -apo 1,000 milia malista!

kind of rude but funny.

I have to agree with that... we need to have a red line we never cross but try explaining that to Chapfallen!

Ego den eipa oti mpenei aggouri ston k*lo tis Rafaellas! Ego rotisa ti aggouri mpenei, ean mpenei! Den eipa oti mpenei! Ayti mallon aisthanetai oti mpenei, giayto kai ego aplos rotisa ean einai tis Chlorakas i tis Zodhias!

[Get Real!]

Miltiades,

Che is your typical "freedom fighter" for some and "terrorist" for others so there's no point in bringing him up on the CF for discussion. The problem in Cyprus lies with marketing companies who are printing his image on children's stationery, like pencil cases and note books, without any regard for the consequences. Some topics are clearly not for children and Che is one of them.

[Get Real!]

Ego den eipa oti mpenei aggouri ston k*lo tis Rafaellas! Ego rotisa ti aggouri mpenei, ean mpenei! Den eipa oti mpenei! Ayti mallon aisthanetai oti mpenei, giayto kai ego aplos rotisa ean einai tis Chlorakas i tis Zodhias!

Ego se agabo kai sevome your contributions... abla that itan kala na abofevgame kabies lexis just in case...

[michalis5354]

You are very funny KIFEAS I hope Christofias will not Follow that Language otherwise he will be the lauhing stock of europe. You need to understand that some people respect their roots. TurkishCypriots also respect their roots. I understand both sides. There is nothing wrong with that. Also Armenian Cypriots are proud of their Armenian backround .

Our concern is that hiding behind a Cypriot flag and singing the Greek National Antem is a big hypocricy. We dont want double standards and two rules for everything OTHERWISE CORUPTION will flourish and the conswequences will be obvious.

I believe in Cypriot Identity but not under the above hypocricy. The Red Che quevara Flags were a big mistake. Many RED flags have been flying everywhere.......What image does this give

On pentadaxtilos is written we are proud of being Turks.

[Kifeas]

Ego den eipa oti mpenei aggouri ston k*lo tis Rafaellas! Ego rotisa ti aggouri mpenei, ean mpenei! Den eipa oti mpenei! Ayti mallon aisthanetai oti mpenei, giayto kai ego aplos rotisa ean einai tis Chlorakas i tis Zodhias!

Ego se agabo kai sevome your contributions... abla that itan kala na abofevgame kabies lexis just in case...

Get Real, "ti aggouri mpenei ston k*lo sou" einai idiomatiki ekfrasi! Den einai vrisia!

[michalis5354]

GET REAL your Papadopoulos Clown came 3rd We kicked him OUT for good!! he he he