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[74LB]

I don't ,for the life of me,understand why people want to stick to their old intransigent positions which have proven to fail to get us anywhere near a solution for the past 45 years....We have a perfectly logical place to start from. The 1960 agreements and the Constitution. Okey,it is not ideal but it is the only thing we have resembling an agreement. Lets put Makarios' 13 points on the table and negotiate the best compromise we can agree on...Then get on with the building of one nation and one people of Cypriots,living together in peace and harmony. A lot have happened in the past which can be put under the spotlight via a Truth and Reconciliation Commission...Let lessons be learnt...Let people,victim and victimiser alike,come out of their bitter and hateful shells,get everything off their chests,apologise and forgive each other,accept their due compensations and/or punishments,and find the necessary empathy and compassion for each other to build one unified and democratic country,based on the rule of the law,and human rights,eventually...Rome was not built in one day,and neither will the new United Republic of Cyprus...But we will never get there if we don't take the first step,however tentative...Come on Cypriots,one and all...We can do it...

Great post Bir, I wish I could see any politician honest and brave enough for something like this from either side....(even the one I support)

The negotiation of the 13 points would be a valuable exercise regardless. I think a lot of TC's have failed to read and see that the majority of the points were counterbalancing and heavily in favour of the TC community. (Upgrade of the role of the VP for example)

Birkırıslı - We have a perfectly logical place to start from. The 1960 agreements and the Constitution. Okey,it is not ideal but it is the only thing we have resembling an agreement. Lets put Makarios' 13 points on the table and negotiate the best compromise we can agree on...

This is as good a starting point as any - I think the Annan Plan will need a massive re-think if it is to become acceptable in any shape or form to any of the communities, especially with seperate constitutions and data spanning thousands of pages.

The following website gives a good insight into the 13 points (I do hope its accurate !) and each and every one is negotiable. Both sides can have no reason not to be able to sit down and discuss these and come to some sort of an agreement.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/13_points.htm

[shahmaran]

Thanks DT and Oracle...

Sometimes the answer is so obvious and simple we just can't see it...

If people have a psychological block about going back to the 1960 agreements,we can always take the Annan Plan and negotiate a BBF to start with,one which will not make "partition" set in concrete...Then begin the education and the reconciliation campaign to build trust and compassion etc. My point is ,time is of utmost importance,we can't afford to start from the scratch and hope for a final solution tomorrow. And we can't afford to let others find or impose a solution on us,like the last time...
Lets hope whoever wins on Sunday can lift himself above the level of a politician,and acts like a statesman...Who knows the Other side might find his spine too and respond in kind...We have nothing to lose but our foreign rulers!

Next time someone poses a question to a TC, and I am feeling brave .... I shall reply to it myself, attempting your experiment of wearing the others' shoes.

I'll keep doing it until it becomes second nature ....

(This should really piss-off all those people that cannot adapt to a simple name change .... imagine a new message being tried out! ... not that this is the reason for attempting the test.)

Question to all the TC's out there...what do you guys think of Oracle?

I would love to stick needles in her just to see if she actually has got any feelings, but I'm worried venomous chemicals might ooze out of her and kill us all, like in "The Visitors".

BTW it wasn't JUST a name change Phoenix, you staged an "argument" with some other newb who disappeared shortly afterwards, you then pretended that you were leaving BECAUSE of that certain person, only to return under a new name, but you did forget to change your attitude and stupid racist views which can be sniffed from a mile away.

Now how sad can one grown and intelligent woman can get?

[Get Real!]

Oh no... NOT the terrible 13 points!!! They can only lead to the genocide of TCs!!!

[Oracle]

Thanks DT and Oracle...

Sometimes the answer is so obvious and simple we just can't see it...

If people have a psychological block about going back to the 1960 agreements,we can always take the Annan Plan and negotiate a BBF to start with,one which will not make "partition" set in concrete...Then begin the education and the reconciliation campaign to build trust and compassion etc. My point is ,time is of utmost importance,we can't afford to start from the scratch and hope for a final solution tomorrow. And we can't afford to let others find or impose a solution on us,like the last time...
Lets hope whoever wins on Sunday can lift himself above the level of a politician,and acts like a statesman...Who knows the Other side might find his spine too and respond in kind...We have nothing to lose but our foreign rulers!

Next time someone poses a question to a TC, and I am feeling brave .... I shall reply to it myself, attempting your experiment of wearing the others' shoes.

I'll keep doing it until it becomes second nature ....

(This should really piss-off all those people that cannot adapt to a simple name change .... imagine a new message being tried out! ... not that this is the reason for attempting the test.)

Question to all the TC's out there...what do you guys think of Oracle?

I know you asked the guys ... but I am a female TC and I am wearing my TC stilettos so if I may venture forth with a TC opinion on your question ....

Oracle really makes me think! Being a Turk-TC, it is a slow laborious process but I am working on it ...

Today I did not wear my headscarf!

After each of her posts I am left bemused as to why I want to be associated with those "Bloody Turks"

Keep up the good work Oracle; and with your guidance we Turk-TCs will come to realise how wrong we are in everything we say and everything we do and drop by drop we will become civilised ...

On behalf of all the female Turk-TCs ...... Thank you Oracle

[Get Real!]

Thanks DT and Oracle...

Sometimes the answer is so obvious and simple we just can't see it...

If people have a psychological block about going back to the 1960 agreements,we can always take the Annan Plan and negotiate a BBF to start with,one which will not make "partition" set in concrete...Then begin the education and the reconciliation campaign to build trust and compassion etc. My point is ,time is of utmost importance,we can't afford to start from the scratch and hope for a final solution tomorrow. And we can't afford to let others find or impose a solution on us,like the last time...
Lets hope whoever wins on Sunday can lift himself above the level of a politician,and acts like a statesman...Who knows the Other side might find his spine too and respond in kind...We have nothing to lose but our foreign rulers!

Next time someone poses a question to a TC, and I am feeling brave .... I shall reply to it myself, attempting your experiment of wearing the others' shoes.

I'll keep doing it until it becomes second nature ....

(This should really piss-off all those people that cannot adapt to a simple name change .... imagine a new message being tried out! ... not that this is the reason for attempting the test.)

Question to all the TC's out there...what do you guys think of Oracle?

I know you asked the guys ... but I am a female TC and I am wearing my TC stilettos so if I may venture forth with a TC opinion on your question ....

Oracle really makes me think! Being a Turk-TC, it is a slow laborious process but I am working on it ...

Today I did not wear my headscarf!

After each of her posts I am left bemused as to why I want to be associated with those "Bloody Turks"

Keep up the good work Oracle; and with your guidance we Turk-TCs will come to realise how wrong we are in everything we say and everything we do and drop by drop we will become civilised ...

On behalf of all the female Turk-TCs ...... Thank you Oracle

What were we saying yesterday?

[Oracle]

BTW it wasn't JUST a name change Phoenix, you staged an "argument" with some other newb who disappeared shortly afterwards, you then pretended that you were leaving BECAUSE of that certain person, only to return under a new name, but you did forget to change your attitude and stupid racist views which can be sniffed from a mile away.

She has been on this forum way longer than I have. She started a thread to hound me. I left. Was asked to come back. Did. She has continued to hound me again. She started another malicious thread yesterday and Admin have completely removed it. They also deleted some of her references to me on another thread. I think the weight of opinion is on her having hounded me to score points.

I've explained ... so let's move on.

[BirKibrisli]

Thanks DT and Oracle...

Sometimes the answer is so obvious and simple we just can't see it...

If people have a psychological block about going back to the 1960 agreements,we can always take the Annan Plan and negotiate a BBF to start with,one which will not make "partition" set in concrete...Then begin the education and the reconciliation campaign to build trust and compassion etc. My point is ,time is of utmost importance,we can't afford to start from the scratch and hope for a final solution tomorrow. And we can't afford to let others find or impose a solution on us,like the last time...
Lets hope whoever wins on Sunday can lift himself above the level of a politician,and acts like a statesman...Who knows the Other side might find his spine too and respond in kind...We have nothing to lose but our foreign rulers!

Bir, you coming down to vote? We'll fly you in for free

A bit too short a notice ,mate...But next time,for sure...

[shahmaran]

BTW it wasn't JUST a name change Phoenix, you staged an "argument" with some other newb who disappeared shortly afterwards, you then pretended that you were leaving BECAUSE of that certain person, only to return under a new name, but you did forget to change your attitude and stupid racist views which can be sniffed from a mile away.

She has been on this forum way longer than I have. She started a thread to hound me. I left. Was asked to come back. Did. She has continued to hound me again. She started another malicious thread yesterday and Admin have completely removed it. They also deleted some of her references to me on another thread. I think the weight of opinion is on her having hounded me to score points.

I've explained ... so let's move on.

Oh right, you have explained, then it MUST be true!

What was i thinking

[Oracle]

Thanks DT and Oracle...

Sometimes the answer is so obvious and simple we just can't see it...

If people have a psychological block about going back to the 1960 agreements,we can always take the Annan Plan and negotiate a BBF to start with,one which will not make "partition" set in concrete...Then begin the education and the reconciliation campaign to build trust and compassion etc. My point is ,time is of utmost importance,we can't afford to start from the scratch and hope for a final solution tomorrow. And we can't afford to let others find or impose a solution on us,like the last time...
Lets hope whoever wins on Sunday can lift himself above the level of a politician,and acts like a statesman...Who knows the Other side might find his spine too and respond in kind...We have nothing to lose but our foreign rulers!

Next time someone poses a question to a TC, and I am feeling brave .... I shall reply to it myself, attempting your experiment of wearing the others' shoes.

I'll keep doing it until it becomes second nature ....

(This should really piss-off all those people that cannot adapt to a simple name change .... imagine a new message being tried out! ... not that this is the reason for attempting the test.)

Question to all the TC's out there...what do you guys think of Oracle?

I know you asked the guys ... but I am a female TC and I am wearing my TC stilettos so if I may venture forth with a TC opinion on your question ....

Oracle really makes me think! Being a Turk-TC, it is a slow laborious process but I am working on it ...

Today I did not wear my headscarf!

After each of her posts I am left bemused as to why I want to be associated with those "Bloody Turks"

Keep up the good work Oracle; and with your guidance we Turk-TCs will come to realise how wrong we are in everything we say and everything we do and drop by drop we will become civilised ...

On behalf of all the female Turk-TCs ...... Thank you Oracle

What were we saying yesterday?

GR! .... it's an experiment for Bir.

We'll start at rock bottom, as a reference point; then I'll be most-improved.


Look above, I've already said something nice today.

[Oracle]

BTW it wasn't JUST a name change Phoenix, you staged an "argument" with some other newb who disappeared shortly afterwards, you then pretended that you were leaving BECAUSE of that certain person, only to return under a new name, but you did forget to change your attitude and stupid racist views which can be sniffed from a mile away.

She has been on this forum way longer than I have. She started a thread to hound me. I left. Was asked to come back. Did. She has continued to hound me again. She started another malicious thread yesterday and Admin have completely removed it. They also deleted some of her references to me on another thread. I think the weight of opinion is on her having hounded me to score points.

I've explained ... so let's move on.

Oh right, you have explained, then it MUST be true!

What was i thinking

Good boy, I knew you'd understand.