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[purdey]

Great last sentence Piratis."You want war,you have war".Where is this I don't see it ?

[shahmaran]

Yeah we just HAPPEN to drop by and choose war

Cyprus was never yours alone, and it will never be, get used to it!

[BirKibrisli]

I don't ,for the life of me,understand why people want to stick to their old intransigent positions which have proven to fail to get us anywhere near a solution for the past 45 years....We have a perfectly logical place to start from. The 1960 agreements and the Constitution. Okey,it is not ideal but it is the only thing we have resembling an agreement. Lets put Makarios' 13 points on the table and negotiate the best compromise we can agree on...Then get on with the building of one nation and one people of Cypriots,living together in peace and harmony. A lot have happened in the past which can be put under the spotlight via a Truth and Reconciliation Commission...Let lessons be learnt...Let people,victim and victimiser alike,come out of their bitter and hateful shells,get everything off their chests,apologise and forgive each other,accept their due compensations and/or punishments,and find the necessary empathy and compassion for each other to build one unified and democratic country,based on the rule of the law,and human rights,eventually...Rome was not built in one day,and neither will the new United Republic of Cyprus...But we will never get there if we don't take the first step,however tentative...Come on Cypriots,one and all...We can do it...

[DT.]

I don't ,for the life of me,understand why people want to stick to their old intransigent positions which have proven to fail to get us anywhere near a solution for the past 45 years....We have a perfectly logical place to start from. The 1960 agreements and the Constitution. Okey,it is not ideal but it is the only thing we have resembling an agreement. Lets put Makarios' 13 points on the table and negotiate the best compromise we can agree on...Then get on with the building of one nation and one people of Cypriots,living together in peace and harmony. A lot have happened in the past which can be put under the spotlight via a Truth and Reconciliation Commission...Let lessons be learnt...Let people,victim and victimiser alike,come out of their bitter and hateful shells,get everything off their chests,apologise and forgive each other,accept their due compensations and/or punishments,and find the necessary empathy and compassion for each other to build one unified and democratic country,based on the rule of the law,and human rights,eventually...Rome was not built in one day,and neither will the new United Republic of Cyprus...But we will never get there if we don't take the first step,however tentative...Come on Cypriots,one and all...We can do it...

Great post Bir, I wish I could see any politician honest and brave enough for something like this from either side....(even the one I support)

The negotiation of the 13 points would be a valuable exercise regardless. I think a lot of TC's have failed to read and see that the majority of the points were counterbalancing and heavily in favour of the TC community. (Upgrade of the role of the VP for example)

[Oracle]

I don't ,for the life of me,understand why people want to stick to their old intransigent positions which have proven to fail to get us anywhere near a solution for the past 45 years....We have a perfectly logical place to start from. The 1960 agreements and the Constitution. Okey,it is not ideal but it is the only thing we have resembling an agreement. Lets put Makarios' 13 points on the table and negotiate the best compromise we can agree on...Then get on with the building of one nation and one people of Cypriots,living together in peace and harmony. A lot have happened in the past which can be put under the spotlight via a Truth and Reconciliation Commission...Let lessons be learnt...Let people,victim and victimiser alike,come out of their bitter and hateful shells,get everything off their chests,apologise and forgive each other,accept their due compensations and/or punishments,and find the necessary empathy and compassion for each other to build one unified and democratic country,based on the rule of the law,and human rights,eventually...Rome was not built in one day,and neither will the new United Republic of Cyprus...But we will never get there if we don't take the first step,however tentative...Come on Cypriots,one and all...We can do it...

Great post Bir, I wish I could see any politician honest and brave enough for something like this from either side....(even the one I support)

The negotiation of the 13 points would be a valuable exercise regardless. I think a lot of TC's have failed to read and see that the majority of the points were counterbalancing and heavily in favour of the TC community. (Upgrade of the role of the VP for example)

I'll go with Bir's proposals if we can make the Agreement fairer and look at the 13 points.

[BirKibrisli]

Thanks DT and Oracle...

Sometimes the answer is so obvious and simple we just can't see it...

If people have a psychological block about going back to the 1960 agreements,we can always take the Annan Plan and negotiate a BBF to start with,one which will not make "partition" set in concrete...Then begin the education and the reconciliation campaign to build trust and compassion etc. My point is ,time is of utmost importance,we can't afford to start from the scratch and hope for a final solution tomorrow. And we can't afford to let others find or impose a solution on us,like the last time...
Lets hope whoever wins on Sunday can lift himself above the level of a politician,and acts like a statesman...Who knows the Other side might find his spine too and respond in kind...We have nothing to lose but our foreign rulers!

[DT.]

Thanks DT and Oracle...

Sometimes the answer is so obvious and simple we just can't see it...

If people have a psychological block about going back to the 1960 agreements,we can always take the Annan Plan and negotiate a BBF to start with,one which will not make "partition" set in concrete...Then begin the education and the reconciliation campaign to build trust and compassion etc. My point is ,time is of utmost importance,we can't afford to start from the scratch and hope for a final solution tomorrow. And we can't afford to let others find or impose a solution on us,like the last time...
Lets hope whoever wins on Sunday can lift himself above the level of a politician,and acts like a statesman...Who knows the Other side might find his spine too and respond in kind...We have nothing to lose but our foreign rulers!

Bir, you coming down to vote? We'll fly you in for free

[Oracle]

Thanks DT and Oracle...

Sometimes the answer is so obvious and simple we just can't see it...

If people have a psychological block about going back to the 1960 agreements,we can always take the Annan Plan and negotiate a BBF to start with,one which will not make "partition" set in concrete...Then begin the education and the reconciliation campaign to build trust and compassion etc. My point is ,time is of utmost importance,we can't afford to start from the scratch and hope for a final solution tomorrow. And we can't afford to let others find or impose a solution on us,like the last time...
Lets hope whoever wins on Sunday can lift himself above the level of a politician,and acts like a statesman...Who knows the Other side might find his spine too and respond in kind...We have nothing to lose but our foreign rulers!

Next time someone poses a question to a TC, and I am feeling brave .... I shall reply to it myself, attempting your experiment of wearing the others' shoes.

I'll keep doing it until it becomes second nature ....

(This should really piss-off all those people that cannot adapt to a simple name change .... imagine a new message being tried out! ... not that this is the reason for attempting the test.)

[DT.]

Thanks DT and Oracle...

Sometimes the answer is so obvious and simple we just can't see it...

If people have a psychological block about going back to the 1960 agreements,we can always take the Annan Plan and negotiate a BBF to start with,one which will not make "partition" set in concrete...Then begin the education and the reconciliation campaign to build trust and compassion etc. My point is ,time is of utmost importance,we can't afford to start from the scratch and hope for a final solution tomorrow. And we can't afford to let others find or impose a solution on us,like the last time...
Lets hope whoever wins on Sunday can lift himself above the level of a politician,and acts like a statesman...Who knows the Other side might find his spine too and respond in kind...We have nothing to lose but our foreign rulers!

Next time someone poses a question to a TC, and I am feeling brave .... I shall reply to it myself, attempting your experiment of wearing the others' shoes.

I'll keep doing it until it becomes second nature ....

(This should really piss-off all those people that cannot adapt to a simple name change .... imagine a new message being tried out! ... not that this is the reason for attempting the test.)

Question to all the TC's out there...what do you guys think of Oracle?

[pantheman]

Thanks DT and Oracle...

Sometimes the answer is so obvious and simple we just can't see it...

If people have a psychological block about going back to the 1960 agreements,we can always take the Annan Plan and negotiate a BBF to start with,one which will not make "partition" set in concrete...Then begin the education and the reconciliation campaign to build trust and compassion etc. My point is ,time is of utmost importance,we can't afford to start from the scratch and hope for a final solution tomorrow. And we can't afford to let others find or impose a solution on us,like the last time...
Lets hope whoever wins on Sunday can lift himself above the level of a politician,and acts like a statesman...Who knows the Other side might find his spine too and respond in kind...We have nothing to lose but our foreign rulers!

Next time someone poses a question to a TC, and I am feeling brave .... I shall reply to it myself, attempting your experiment of wearing the others' shoes.

I'll keep doing it until it becomes second nature ....

(This should really piss-off all those people that cannot adapt to a simple name change .... imagine a new message being tried out! ... not that this is the reason for attempting the test.)

Question to all the TC's out there...what do you guys think of Oracle?

Perhaps it should have read "What do you think of Traitors ?" After all your words not mine