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[Viewpoint]

Piratis are you sure hes locked up or are you just guessing he could still be on the streets could kill a GC child this time then there would be an uproar.

[MicAtCyp]

Look at those barbarians. It's not just one. 6 of them are hitting the person lying helpless on the ground. One pseudo- policeman hits with an iron bar straight on the head.The other guy burries a pick in his belly. The half naked barbarian walks away with his iron bar.Another 3 Mongols are pushing their way through to hit. Another 10 gypsies behind acting as reserves.
And we have Viewpoint coming here with the audacity of 1000 monkies trying to keep his hatred thread alive by posting a line once in a while. Doing the same with his partition threads and all the other "interesting" threads he creates....
That white hair old son of a bitch on the left with the blue short pants was always present at such events.He was the one pulling Titina Lozidou by the hair while she was crawling on the ground at the womens demonstration at Lymbia.

All these are among your people Viewpoint. And none of them looks insane The mere fact that you tried to justify their actions against someone who simply tried to go home shows what a chauvinistic pig you are.

[erolz]

All these are among your people Viewpoint. And none of them looks insane The mere fact that you tried to justify their actions against someone who simply tried to go home shows what a chauvinistic pig you are.

I do not speak for Viewpoint but for me this is not about justifying the acts of these people. What I have a problem with is the accusation that we have such 'barbarians' and have not even prosecuted them without a similar acceptance that you also have people who comitted barbarian acts (of much greater number) walking around in the RoC in the same way. My probelm is with the one sidedness of such exclamations of horror and disgust. You say these people were merely trying to return to their homes but they knew that such an act was provocatvie and would create a confrontation. They actually sought a confrontation. This in no way justifies the reaction by those that attacked them and I do not wish to imply it does in anyway. However this is relevant (as I see it) in comparsion to say what happend to my Uncle, who was not doing anything more provocative that going to his place of work and most certainly did not seek to cause a confontation at all. All the same he was taken by GC and murdered and these murders still walk around in the RoC without fear of prosecution as they have done since they comitted this murder and no doubt many others.
I condem both acts unreseverdely. I believe attempts should be made to bring the guilty to justice. I can not accept that that such barbaric acts are solely a TC phenomeon. Also I can not accpet that someone who actively seeks out confrontation and is meet with violence (no matter how disproptrionate and extreme that violence is) is 'innocent' in the same way as someone who dose not seek confrtonation yet is met with violence. Hopefuly you can appricate this differnce as well as the fact that this is not an attempt to 'justify' what happend to these GC, just an attempt to point out differences between this and other barbaric acts in Cyprus?

[Piratis]

my Uncle, who was not doing anything more provocative that going to his place of work

And this person was going to his home. Why is that provocative?

[erolz]

my Uncle, who was not doing anything more provocative that going to his place of work

And this person was going to his home. Why is that provocative?

That is a ridiculous question Piratis. I understand your position that there should have been no border and no restriction on their movement but the fact was there WAS a border and a restrivtion on thier movement. They knew this. They new the very act of trying to 'go home' would cause a confrontation and this is what they wanted. To prentend otherwise is madness. Again I stress that none of this excuses the response of the TC that was disproptionate and brutal and not acceptable in my view. It does however have some relevance when comparing this brutal act by TC with the brutal act by GC against my uncle (and many similar acts by GC and TC as well - but more by GC than TC).

[metecyp]

And this person was going to his home. Why is that provocative?

What about that guy that wanted to bring down the TRNC flag? Wasn't that provocative? The right thing to do would be to bring him down and send him to jail in the north rather than kill him. But at the same time, if you provoke people by pulling down something so important to them (however worthless it might be to you) then you'll hava a maniac do something idiotic in response like killing....maniacs exist in every society, I'm sure if some TC tried to pull down a Greek flag, the response wouldn't be too pretty.
[In no way I'm trying to justify killing here but don't tell me that barbarian Turks killed innocent GCs....]

[MicAtCyp]

Those who killed your uncle Erol are unknown, and those who know don't speak.That event happened 40 years ago, and who said those who did it are not barbarian sub species. They deserve equal contempt from me.
However those who did that to Solomou did it just recently, they are known to everybody, and yet they are free to move around and boast about it.
Another difference is that if you could provide photographic or video evidence those killers of your uncle could be tried and end up in jail even today, whereas those barbarians who killed Solomou are still out in the street.

And don't forget:What matters is the current mentality not the mentality that existed 40 years ago. And from this respect there is a substantial proportion inside the TC population whose mentality is very very dangerous and barbarian, that cannot pass un-noticed with reference to a solution. For your information with the exception of that old man with white hair and 2-3 others the rest who are shown in the picture are settlers!

PS. I appreciate the fact our TC friends made it very clear that they are not trying to justify this act, on the other hand I am not seeing Viewpoint who is always provoking saying anything. What happened VP, lost your voice again?

[Viewpoint]

Why such venom???? does anyone know what actually happened to this murder??? a simple question why is it so difficult to answer???

[-mikkie2-]

VP

Instead of taunting people in this thread why don't you go to the courts yourself and look through the case histories AND FIND OUT YOURSELF if it is so important to you. There is no secrecy about it. Just get off your ass and find out yourself rather than asking people here that have no involvement in this.

You obvioulsy want to make an example of this person for whatever sick agenda you seem to have.

[erolz]

Those who killed your uncle Erol are unknown, and those who know don't speak.That event happened 40 years ago, and who said those who did it are not barbarian sub species. They deserve equal contempt from me.

That to me is a cop out. The killers of my uncle are known but as you say those that know are not saying anything. They were known then and they are known now. The 'RoC' made no effort to seek out and prosecute them then and they make no effort now andd have never made any effort.

However those who did that to Solomou did it just recently, they are known to everybody, and yet they are free to move around and boast about it.

Just as the killers of my uncle were recent in 63 and where known to many and yet were free then to move around and boast about it then and now.

Another difference is that if you could provide photographic or video evidence those killers of your uncle could be tried and end up in jail even today, whereas those barbarians who killed Solomou are still out in the street.

I just do not beleieve that. Even if there were photographic evidence of who his killers were I do not think the RoC would take action to prosecute these men. They never took any action before and the reason was never 'lack of evidence' as far as I am concerned.

And don't forget:What matters is the current mentality not the mentality that existed 40 years ago. And from this respect there is a substantial proportion inside the TC population whose mentality is very very dangerous and barbarian, that cannot pass un-noticed with reference to a solution. For your information with the exception of that old man with white hair and 2-3 others the rest who are shown in the picture are settlers!

The current mentaility of the RoC is that they still see no need to seek and prosecute GC barbarian murders of TC. It feels like the current mentaility of the RoC is that these men did not comit a crime The current mentailty of TP is to deny that any TC were killed by GC in the very period my uncle was killed. If the RoC made any effort to prosecute these people or even intiate a 'truth and reconcilation' comission without prosecutions then I could see a change in mentality. All I actualy see is denial even today - 40 years after the fact of the event itself.
You really think we have proportionaly more 'barbaric' people than the south has or anywhere else has? You have your 'Nick the Greeks' and the fathers that have indoctinated them in hatred and (an expressed) desire to kill in the name of thier 'cause' and we have ours. Are you really convinced we have more? I am not.

PS. I appreciate the fact our TC friends made it very clear that they are not trying to justify this act, on the other hand I am not seeing Viewpoint who is always provoking saying anything. What happened VP, lost your voice again?

Agian I stress I am NOT justifying this act. It should not have happened. It should not have been allowed to happen and having happened the authorites here should have taken steps to prosecute and punish those guilty. Just as all the above is aso the case re my uncle.