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Postby michalis5354 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:19 pm

Nikitias to be fair not any other president not Papadopoulos not Klerides not Vasilioy not Kyprianoy took any action to replace the Greek flags. I am not a Nationalist but I support DUSI for obvious reasons. If Akel does not favours the Greek Flags what stops AKEL being one of the biggest parties to propose the replacement of the Greek flags or even the declaration of an independent national anthem.I will support AKEL and I will congradulate for that . It has not done so. Why....

Saying something is one thing and doing something is a different thing!
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Postby Nikitas » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:30 pm

I was referring to the Greek flags waved by DISY supporteres when they were celebrating on Sunday. Not one Cypriot flag in sight. The symbolism of the gesture talks loudly. At the AKEL celebrations there was not a single Greek flag.

For a party which supported the Annan plan the gesture seems out of place, confusing. Unless the Annan plan was double union in disguise. Just thinking out loud.....
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Postby michalis5354 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:43 pm

I have stated before that my choice to back Kasoulides had nothing to do with the Greek flags but other factors like European direction , new generation of politicians , Free Economy, Determination for change .

Annan Plan was a direct result of previous plans that had been proposed and it has not come on the table from the Sky. If we had followed Papadopoulos or AKEL aaproach from 1990 and onwards where would Cyprus be at the moment? Obviously OUT of Europe.

The Annan Plan 3 was a product of Clerides.
The Annan Plan 5 was a product of Papadopoulos after failing to negotiate the plan constructiveley and incorporated many parameters of Turkish side.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:52 pm

michalis5354 wrote:I have stated before that my choice to back Kasoulides had nothing to do with the Greek flags but other factors like European direction , new generation of politicians , Free Economy, Determination for change .

Annan Plan was a direct result of previous plans that had been proposed and it has not come on the table from the Sky. If we had followed Papadopoulos or AKEL aaproach from 1990 and onwards where would Cyprus be at the moment? Obviously OUT of Europe.

The Annan Plan 3 was a product of Clerides.
The Annan Plan 5 was a product of Papadopoulos after failing to negotiate the plan constructiveley and incorporated many parameters of Turkish side.

DISY policies should be clear to everyone by now who don’t ignore tale-tell signs such as how they carry themselves (Greek flags & memorabilia) and their past actions (coup/AP). It doesn’t take a PhD to figure out the obvious.
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Postby DT. » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:08 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:DT...Can you tell me this...???

You know about Tapap's red lines I suppose...All Turkish troops out of Cyprus,NO power of guarantee etc etc...

What colour do you think Kassoulidis would see when looking at Tpapa's red lines????
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he hasn't gone into it Bir.

His first action is to figure out the collectve red lines at the level of the national council which includes all major parties. Once he has a consensus from the national council he wll then negotiate these lines with the other side. Now what does consensus mean is another thing. It will depend on who's in govt with him.

(to make it clear red lines are not the least of your positions as one would think but the Max, a sort of a wish list if you like)
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Postby DT. » Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:14 pm

Nikitas wrote:Looking at the situation from a distance, I too was surprised at the sea of Greek flags at the Kasoulides victory rally. There is a message in that demonstration and it is not a hopeful one. At the very least it shows a lack of respect for the procedure itself- the election process of an INDEPENDENT nation state. For some reason the phrase "double union" keeps popping up in my thoughts.

As for AKEL being a hard line communist party etc, let us remember that AKEL has been in the fore of Cyprus politics since day one, it has always been the largest Cypriot party and it did not sink us into Soviet style communism at any point. Whatever little social and welfare systems we have in Cyprus we owe it to AKEL and its participation in past governments.

No party has ever governed Cyprus on its own. The system encourages multi party governments and this has been the practice in the past. It will be the way in the future. The government will have to include DEKO and EDEK in a deal made before Sunday.

I am not now and have never in the past been a communist (just in case Mr McCarthy's ghost is following my posts!!!) but one thing I know for sure is that Christofias is dead against any form of double union and he will not abandon the RoC.


For gods sake I've just spent the better part of 2007 arguing with Zan that there is no such thing as Enosis anymore especially since the EU membership, and now the desease is spreading. WHat double union are we talking about???? Cyprus already has a border union, currency union, top level parliamentary union and as close to an executive union via the EU council with Greece as it can get. What more union can there be?

Lets not dig out all the crap from our grandparents locker. (no pun intended Nikita) Leave some more Greek tragedy for after the 2nd sunday. Who knows you might get lucky and Castro's best mate might get elected. (thats from my grandad's locker as well.)
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:35 pm

DT. wrote:
Nikitas wrote:Looking at the situation from a distance, I too was surprised at the sea of Greek flags at the Kasoulides victory rally. There is a message in that demonstration and it is not a hopeful one. At the very least it shows a lack of respect for the procedure itself- the election process of an INDEPENDENT nation state. For some reason the phrase "double union" keeps popping up in my thoughts.

As for AKEL being a hard line communist party etc, let us remember that AKEL has been in the fore of Cyprus politics since day one, it has always been the largest Cypriot party and it did not sink us into Soviet style communism at any point. Whatever little social and welfare systems we have in Cyprus we owe it to AKEL and its participation in past governments.

No party has ever governed Cyprus on its own. The system encourages multi party governments and this has been the practice in the past. It will be the way in the future. The government will have to include DEKO and EDEK in a deal made before Sunday.

I am not now and have never in the past been a communist (just in case Mr McCarthy's ghost is following my posts!!!) but one thing I know for sure is that Christofias is dead against any form of double union and he will not abandon the RoC.


For gods sake I've just spent the better part of 2007 arguing with Zan that there is no such thing as Enosis anymore especially since the EU membership, and now the desease is spreading. WHat double union are we talking about???? Cyprus already has a border union, currency union, top level parliamentary union and as close to an executive union via the EU council with Greece as it can get. What more union can there be?

Lets not dig out all the crap from our grandparents locker. (no pun intended Nikita) Leave some more Greek tragedy for after the 2nd sunday. Who knows you might get lucky and Castro's best mate might get elected. (thats from my grandad's locker as well.)

If the RoC’s constitution was to ever be abolished (courtesy of Kashoulides) you’d soon find out what ENOSIS is all about…
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Postby michalis5354 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:37 pm

LoL have you heard the word Enosis in Kasoulides campaih GR and why ENOSIS did not take place when Clerides (DUSI)was in power for whole 10 years and Cyprus was out of EU?
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:44 pm

michalis5354 wrote:LoL have you heard the word Enosis in Kasoulides campaih GR and why ENOSIS did not take place when Clerides (DUSI)was in power for whole 10 years and Cyprus was out of EU?

If elected, your friends at DISY will attempt to entangle Cyprus in a new Anglo-American plan guaranteed, in which case our constitution will be dissolved and that of course will mean that even the Tamil tigers will have a greater global status than us!

Have you ever considered the consequences of losing your constitution?
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Postby michalis5354 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 3:49 pm

People will accepet or reject any plan proposed on a referendum so for what all this panic and fear? Are the people idiots who need someone to tell them what to vote and what not to vote?
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