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[utu]

Get Real and DT,

The Administration in North Cyprus were one of the first to make its statement of recognizing the UDI of Kosovo from a province to a nation. At the moment, fourteen nations have formally recognized Kosovo (of which three are UNSC permanent members) with more poised to follow suit over the next few days. Expatkiwi's warning is not one to be brushed off lightly given Talat's message of support.
Why would Kosovo recognize the north of Cyprus as the TRNC? First, since the Republic of Cyprus had led the way in splitting the EU on the recognition issue, the Pristina government would not be feeling well-disposed to the Republic of Cyprus Government. Second, recognition of TRNC would further cement close ties to its traditional ally Turkey (which also signaled early recognition). Third, the rubicon of initial international recognition has already been crossed and a swift withdrawal of recogition would really not be realistic by a Kosovan TRNC recognition move. Fourth, the Republic of Kosovo is not obliged to follow UN Security Council resolutions as it is not a UN member and that the resolutions pertaining to Cyprus only apply to UN members. In addition, the fact that Kosovo is not going to get into the UN due to the veto powers of the Peoples Republic of China and the Russian Federation only makes the Pristina Government's decision on this easier. Fifth, Putin had said quite clearly that the TRNC should be recognized if Kosovo is. THAT was a real diplomatic fubar from him, and reinforces the view that the north is a de facto republic (if not de jure). Sixth, Kosovo assession to the EU will not happen due to the fact that at least five member nations will veto the assession - led by Cyprus, so threats about denying EU memebership to Kosovo is not going to cut any ice unless the attitiude among certain member nations changes.
So - like Expatkiwi has already said - I would be cautious of Kosovo. If the new President of Cyprus fails to deliver on reunification promises and - like Papadopolous - it makes the Republic of Cyprus look at fault, that, plus the continued policy of hostility to Kosovo Independence will very likely result in the north being recognized as a sovereign nation by another country: The Republic of Kosovo. When THAT rubicon is crossed, then you might as well kiss goodbye to any attempt at reconciliation.

[Expatkiwi]

Get Real and DT,

The Administration in North Cyprus were one of the first to make its statement of recognizing the UDI of Kosovo from a province to a nation. At the moment, fourteen nations have formally recognized Kosovo (of which three are UNSC permanent members) with more poised to follow suit over the next few days. Expatkiwi's warning is not one to be brushed off lightly given Talat's message of support.
Why would Kosovo recognize the north of Cyprus as the TRNC? First, since the Republic of Cyprus had led the way in splitting the EU on the recognition issue, the Pristina government would not be feeling well-disposed to the Republic of Cyprus Government. Second, recognition of TRNC would further cement close ties to its traditional ally Turkey (which also signaled early recognition). Third, the rubicon of initial international recognition has already been crossed and a swift withdrawal of recogition would really not be realistic by a Kosovan TRNC recognition move. Fourth, the Republic of Kosovo is not obliged to follow UN Security Council resolutions as it is not a UN member and that the resolutions pertaining to Cyprus only apply to UN members. In addition, the fact that Kosovo is not going to get into the UN due to the veto powers of the Peoples Republic of China and the Russian Federation only makes the Pristina Government's decision on this easier. Fifth, Putin had said quite clearly that the TRNC should be recognized if Kosovo is. THAT was a real diplomatic fubar from him, and reinforces the view that the north is a de facto republic (if not de jure). Sixth, Kosovo assession to the EU will not happen due to the fact that at least five member nations will veto the assession - led by Cyprus, so threats about denying EU memebership to Kosovo is not going to cut any ice unless the attitiude among certain member nations changes.
So - like Expatkiwi has already said - I would be cautious of Kosovo. If the new President of Cyprus fails to deliver on reunification promises and - like Papadopolous - it makes the Republic of Cyprus look at fault, that, plus the continued policy of hostility to Kosovo Independence will very likely result in the north being recognized as a sovereign nation by another country: The Republic of Kosovo. When THAT rubicon is crossed, then you might as well kiss goodbye to any attempt at reconciliation.

Thank you, Utu. I couldn't have put it any better myself.

[BirKibrisli]

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ERCAKICA: TURKISH CYPRIOT SIDE COMMITTED TO ESTABLISHING PARTNERSHIP STATE ON THE BASIS OF POLITICAL EQUALITY OF THE TWO SIDES
The Presidential Spokesperson Hasan Ercakica has reiterated the Turkish Cypriot Side’s commitment to work towards the establishment of a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states.

The Presidential spokesman evaluated the results of the first round of President Elections on the Greek Cypriot Side as well as Kosovo’s declaration of independence during his weekly press briefing today.

Speaking to reporters, Mr. Ercakica said that the results of Sunday’s first round of ‘Presidential elections’ in the South indicated that the Greek Cypriot people were concerned by the consequences of rejecting the Annan Plan and had thus desired the election a new leader whose policies will be supported by the international community.

The Presidential spokesman expressed the hope that the stance adopted by the Greek Cypriot people will contribute to breaking the current deadlock in efforts aimed at finding a solution.

Stressing that the Turkish Cypriot Side will continue to work towards establishing a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states, Mr. Ercakica said that the Turkish Cypriot Side was committed to making the best out of all opportunities to that end.

Also touching upon the issue of Kosovo, the Presidential spokesperson said that there were important lessons to derive from the process which led to Kosovo’s independence.

“The most important lesson to be learnt from the Kosovo issue is that no people can be forced or compelled to live under the authority of another nation” he said, adding that this was why the Turkish Cypriot Side was going to continue to work towards finding a mutually acceptable solution to the Cyprus Problem. Responding to questions as to whether the TRNC was considering to diplomatically recognize the breakaway state, Mr. Ercakica said that there was no such preparation to do so at this point in time.

Kosovo's UDI not recognized by TRNC
I don't think that it will keep them awake, but I try for accuracy of facts.

Observer, would you or anyone else care explaining to us who are the two SIDES that mr. Ercakica is refering to in the above report? Is it the two communities as they are institutionalised by the 1960 RoC constitution, or is it the two "states," i.e. the "trnc" in the north and the "Greek Cypriot administration" in the south? Does anyone of the TCs in this forum know what Ercakica has in mind, when he talks about "...the two sides?"

Assuming that your question is serious,dear Kifeas,I will give you a serious answer...

He can only be talking about the Turkish Cypriot Side and the Greek Cypriot Side...Meaning the two communities...Because mr Ercakica and Co do not recognise the ROC as a state...

[Get Real!]

Utu and Expat, let's keep things simple...

Internationally, Kosovo is currently an absolute NOBODY and must therefore be desperate to survive and be accepted more than anything else. The last thing Kosovo needs right now is to start playing international games such as recognizing a UN rejected “TRNC” like you suggest.

Ask yourself, if you were the newbie president of Kosovo would it be in your newfound country’s interests to start international power-playing games?

[Kifeas]

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ERCAKICA: TURKISH CYPRIOT SIDE COMMITTED TO ESTABLISHING PARTNERSHIP STATE ON THE BASIS OF POLITICAL EQUALITY OF THE TWO SIDES
The Presidential Spokesperson Hasan Ercakica has reiterated the Turkish Cypriot Side’s commitment to work towards the establishment of a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states.

The Presidential spokesman evaluated the results of the first round of President Elections on the Greek Cypriot Side as well as Kosovo’s declaration of independence during his weekly press briefing today.

Speaking to reporters, Mr. Ercakica said that the results of Sunday’s first round of ‘Presidential elections’ in the South indicated that the Greek Cypriot people were concerned by the consequences of rejecting the Annan Plan and had thus desired the election a new leader whose policies will be supported by the international community.

The Presidential spokesman expressed the hope that the stance adopted by the Greek Cypriot people will contribute to breaking the current deadlock in efforts aimed at finding a solution.

Stressing that the Turkish Cypriot Side will continue to work towards establishing a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states, Mr. Ercakica said that the Turkish Cypriot Side was committed to making the best out of all opportunities to that end.

Also touching upon the issue of Kosovo, the Presidential spokesperson said that there were important lessons to derive from the process which led to Kosovo’s independence.

“The most important lesson to be learnt from the Kosovo issue is that no people can be forced or compelled to live under the authority of another nation” he said, adding that this was why the Turkish Cypriot Side was going to continue to work towards finding a mutually acceptable solution to the Cyprus Problem. Responding to questions as to whether the TRNC was considering to diplomatically recognize the breakaway state, Mr. Ercakica said that there was no such preparation to do so at this point in time.

Kosovo's UDI not recognized by TRNC
I don't think that it will keep them awake, but I try for accuracy of facts.

Observer, would you or anyone else care explaining to us who are the two SIDES that mr. Ercakica is refering to in the above report? Is it the two communities as they are institutionalised by the 1960 RoC constitution, or is it the two "states," i.e. the "trnc" in the north and the "Greek Cypriot administration" in the south? Does anyone of the TCs in this forum know what Ercakica has in mind, when he talks about "...the two sides?"

Assuming that your question is serious,dear Kifeas,I will give you a serious answer...

He can only be talking about the Turkish Cypriot Side and the Greek Cypriot Side...Meaning the two communities...Because mr Ercakica and Co do not recognise the ROC as a state...

My question is very serious, dear Bir, and if you read more carefully, I did not use the term RoC, but instead the one used by the TCs and Turkey when referring to the south, i.e. the "GC Administration!" Well, I have to tell you that when the Turkish side uses the term "the two sides" or the political equality between the two sides, they always mean the two "states" as they claim they de facto exist, i.e. "trnc" and the "GC administration," and not the two communities!

[BirKibrisli]

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ERCAKICA: TURKISH CYPRIOT SIDE COMMITTED TO ESTABLISHING PARTNERSHIP STATE ON THE BASIS OF POLITICAL EQUALITY OF THE TWO SIDES
The Presidential Spokesperson Hasan Ercakica has reiterated the Turkish Cypriot Side’s commitment to work towards the establishment of a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states.

The Presidential spokesman evaluated the results of the first round of President Elections on the Greek Cypriot Side as well as Kosovo’s declaration of independence during his weekly press briefing today.

Speaking to reporters, Mr. Ercakica said that the results of Sunday’s first round of ‘Presidential elections’ in the South indicated that the Greek Cypriot people were concerned by the consequences of rejecting the Annan Plan and had thus desired the election a new leader whose policies will be supported by the international community.

The Presidential spokesman expressed the hope that the stance adopted by the Greek Cypriot people will contribute to breaking the current deadlock in efforts aimed at finding a solution.

Stressing that the Turkish Cypriot Side will continue to work towards establishing a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states, Mr. Ercakica said that the Turkish Cypriot Side was committed to making the best out of all opportunities to that end.

Also touching upon the issue of Kosovo, the Presidential spokesperson said that there were important lessons to derive from the process which led to Kosovo’s independence.

“The most important lesson to be learnt from the Kosovo issue is that no people can be forced or compelled to live under the authority of another nation” he said, adding that this was why the Turkish Cypriot Side was going to continue to work towards finding a mutually acceptable solution to the Cyprus Problem. Responding to questions as to whether the TRNC was considering to diplomatically recognize the breakaway state, Mr. Ercakica said that there was no such preparation to do so at this point in time.

Kosovo's UDI not recognized by TRNC
I don't think that it will keep them awake, but I try for accuracy of facts.

Observer, would you or anyone else care explaining to us who are the two SIDES that mr. Ercakica is refering to in the above report? Is it the two communities as they are institutionalised by the 1960 RoC constitution, or is it the two "states," i.e. the "trnc" in the north and the "Greek Cypriot administration" in the south? Does anyone of the TCs in this forum know what Ercakica has in mind, when he talks about "...the two sides?"

Assuming that your question is serious,dear Kifeas,I will give you a serious answer...

He can only be talking about the Turkish Cypriot Side and the Greek Cypriot Side...Meaning the two communities...Because mr Ercakica and Co do not recognise the ROC as a state...

My question is very serious, dear Bir, and if you read more carefully, I did not use the term RoC, but instead the one used by the TCs and Turkey when referring to the south, i.e. the "GC Administration!" Well, I have to tell you that when the Turkish side uses the term "the two sides" or the political equality between the two sides, they always mean the two "states" as they claim they de facto exist, i.e. "trnc" and the "GC administration," and not the two communities!

I know exactly what you are getting at,dear Kifeas...

I was being a bit cheeky,I suppose. How can Mr Ercakica be referring to a "state" he and his political masters do not recognise???

[Kikapu]

Get Real and DT,

The Administration in North Cyprus were one of the first to make its statement of recognizing the UDI of Kosovo from a province to a nation. At the moment, fourteen nations have formally recognized Kosovo (of which three are UNSC permanent members) with more poised to follow suit over the next few days. Expatkiwi's warning is not one to be brushed off lightly given Talat's message of support.
Why would Kosovo recognize the north of Cyprus as the TRNC? First, since the Republic of Cyprus had led the way in splitting the EU on the recognition issue, the Pristina government would not be feeling well-disposed to the Republic of Cyprus Government. Second, recognition of TRNC would further cement close ties to its traditional ally Turkey (which also signaled early recognition). Third, the rubicon of initial international recognition has already been crossed and a swift withdrawal of recogition would really not be realistic by a Kosovan TRNC recognition move. Fourth, the Republic of Kosovo is not obliged to follow UN Security Council resolutions as it is not a UN member and that the resolutions pertaining to Cyprus only apply to UN members. In addition, the fact that Kosovo is not going to get into the UN due to the veto powers of the Peoples Republic of China and the Russian Federation only makes the Pristina Government's decision on this easier. Fifth, Putin had said quite clearly that the TRNC should be recognized if Kosovo is. THAT was a real diplomatic fubar from him, and reinforces the view that the north is a de facto republic (if not de jure). Sixth, Kosovo assession to the EU will not happen due to the fact that at least five member nations will veto the assession - led by Cyprus, so threats about denying EU memebership to Kosovo is not going to cut any ice unless the attitiude among certain member nations changes.
So - like Expatkiwi has already said - I would be cautious of Kosovo. If the new President of Cyprus fails to deliver on reunification promises and - like Papadopolous - it makes the Republic of Cyprus look at fault, that, plus the continued policy of hostility to Kosovo Independence will very likely result in the north being recognized as a sovereign nation by another country: The Republic of Kosovo. When THAT rubicon is crossed, then you might as well kiss goodbye to any attempt at reconciliation.

Thank you, Utu. I couldn't have put it any better myself.

Thank you, Utu. I couldn't have put it any better myself.

I agree. You never can, since most of your points have no value at all, due to your hypocrisy.

As far as recognition by the "TRNC" and "KOSOVO" of each other goes, it amounts to this equation.


(-ve) + (-ve) = -ve

Hardly anything to write home about.!!!

Furthermore, by trying to link any correlation of the conditions on the ground between the "states" of TRNC" and "KOSOVO", the conditions are as wide as the Grand Canyon itself. Their only commonality that exists are, that they are illegal in the eyes of the international community, no matter how much recognition they may get from legal states. I use the "..." to address these "states" as not being legal, as they are not in the eyes of the UN. Like anything else in life, if one does not play by the rules, then they are committing a "foul", and since we have given that responsibility to the UN to be the "referee" as to what a "foul" is, then the "TRNC" and "KOSOVO" are as illegal as they get.

[Nikitas]

Everything about Kossovo depends on how serious it will prove itself as a state. The EU is betting that it can make it function, superficially at least, as a state. Which means respect for its minorities. So far this has not been the case. The minorities of Kossovo are enclaved in pretty much the same way that TCs were enclavedin the 60s and it is surprising that so much TC opinion is in favor of this situation. Unless of course they do not regard the Serbs, Gypsies and others who form the minorities as equal to the Albanians. So much for this talk of community equality and partnership in the state. Apparently all that bombastic stuff only applies in "special cases".

EULEX are there now trying to make a go of things. The coming months will show what they can achieve. In the meantime Kossovo is the Balkan center for organized crime. And that will not change anytime soon.

[Kikapu]

Get Real and DT,

The Administration in North Cyprus were one of the first to make its statement of recognizing the UDI of Kosovo from a province to a nation. At the moment, fourteen nations have formally recognized Kosovo (of which three are UNSC permanent members) with more poised to follow suit over the next few days. Expatkiwi's warning is not one to be brushed off lightly given Talat's message of support.
Why would Kosovo recognize the north of Cyprus as the TRNC? First, since the Republic of Cyprus had led the way in splitting the EU on the recognition issue, the Pristina government would not be feeling well-disposed to the Republic of Cyprus Government. Second, recognition of TRNC would further cement close ties to its traditional ally Turkey (which also signaled early recognition). Third, the rubicon of initial international recognition has already been crossed and a swift withdrawal of recogition would really not be realistic by a Kosovan TRNC recognition move. Fourth, the Republic of Kosovo is not obliged to follow UN Security Council resolutions as it is not a UN member and that the resolutions pertaining to Cyprus only apply to UN members. In addition, the fact that Kosovo is not going to get into the UN due to the veto powers of the Peoples Republic of China and the Russian Federation only makes the Pristina Government's decision on this easier. Fifth, Putin had said quite clearly that the TRNC should be recognized if Kosovo is. THAT was a real diplomatic fubar from him, and reinforces the view that the north is a de facto republic (if not de jure). Sixth, Kosovo assession to the EU will not happen due to the fact that at least five member nations will veto the assession - led by Cyprus, so threats about denying EU memebership to Kosovo is not going to cut any ice unless the attitiude among certain member nations changes.
So - like Expatkiwi has already said - I would be cautious of Kosovo. If the new President of Cyprus fails to deliver on reunification promises and - like Papadopolous - it makes the Republic of Cyprus look at fault, that, plus the continued policy of hostility to Kosovo Independence will very likely result in the north being recognized as a sovereign nation by another country: The Republic of Kosovo. When THAT rubicon is crossed, then you might as well kiss goodbye to any attempt at reconciliation.

Thank you, Utu. I couldn't have put it any better myself.

Thank you, Utu. I couldn't have put it any better myself.

I agree. You never can, since most of your points have no value at all, due to your hypocrisy.

As far as recognition by the "TRNC" and "KOSOVO" of each other goes, it amounts to this equation.


(-ve) + (-ve) = -ve

Hardly anything to write home about.!!!

Furthermore, by trying to link any correlation of the conditions on the ground between the "states" of TRNC" and "KOSOVO", the conditions are as wide as the Grand Canyon itself. Their only commonality that exists are, that they are illegal in the eyes of the international community, no matter how much recognition they may get from legal states. I use the "..." to address these "states" as not being legal, as they are not in the eyes of the UN. Like anything else in life, if one does not play by the rules, then they are committing a "foul", and since we have given that responsibility to the UN to be the "referee" as to what a "foul" is, then the "TRNC" and "KOSOVO" are as illegal as they get.

Expatkiwi,

I have meant to post to last week, but did not have time. You have not been "fudging" numbers again, have you.??

The 1960 Constitution
Cyprus was declared an independent state on August 16, 1960. The new state's constitution, as defined by the Zürich and London Agreements, explicitly recognised the two main ethnic communities in Cyprus:

the Greek Cypriot community with approximately 65% of the population and

the Turkish Cypriot community with approximately 35% of the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus

[DT.]

The case of the disappearing GC's AGAIN!