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Re: Lesson in IL

Postby DT. » Wed Feb 20, 2008 7:46 pm

utu wrote:
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ERCAKICA: TURKISH CYPRIOT SIDE COMMITTED TO ESTABLISHING PARTNERSHIP STATE ON THE BASIS OF POLITICAL EQUALITY OF THE TWO SIDES
The Presidential Spokesperson Hasan Ercakica has reiterated the Turkish Cypriot Side’s commitment to work towards the establishment of a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states.

The Presidential spokesman evaluated the results of the first round of President Elections on the Greek Cypriot Side as well as Kosovo’s declaration of independence during his weekly press briefing today.

Speaking to reporters, Mr. Ercakica said that the results of Sunday’s first round of ‘Presidential elections’ in the South indicated that the Greek Cypriot people were concerned by the consequences of rejecting the Annan Plan and had thus desired the election a new leader whose policies will be supported by the international community.

The Presidential spokesman expressed the hope that the stance adopted by the Greek Cypriot people will contribute to breaking the current deadlock in efforts aimed at finding a solution.

Stressing that the Turkish Cypriot Side will continue to work towards establishing a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states, Mr. Ercakica said that the Turkish Cypriot Side was committed to making the best out of all opportunities to that end.

Also touching upon the issue of Kosovo, the Presidential spokesperson said that there were important lessons to derive from the process which led to Kosovo’s independence.

“The most important lesson to be learnt from the Kosovo issue is that no people can be forced or compelled to live under the authority of another nation” he said, adding that this was why the Turkish Cypriot Side was going to continue to work towards finding a mutually acceptable solution to the Cyprus Problem.
Responding to questions as to whether the TRNC was considering to diplomatically recognize the breakaway state, Mr. Ercakica said that there was no such preparation to do so at this point in time.


Kosovo's UDI not recognized by TRNC
I don't think that it will keep them awake, but I try for accuracy of facts.


The thing is though is that when the head of state (in this case Talat) sends a message of congratulations to the head of state of another country that has procliamed a UDI, that is recognition of the fact that one country recognizes another country. The fact that the north's foreign ministry is saying otherwise means very little as diplomatic relationships are between GOVERNMENTS. The second that Talat sent that message, he is stating that his state recognized Kosovo as a state. The decision to which the north should establish diplomatic relations with Kosovo's government would rest with Soyer. This is a fine - but significant - distinction in international law.


:lol: You mentioned Head of state, Talat and International law in the same post!
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:20 pm

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paliometoxo wrote:well the uk recognised them so TRNC/turkey stuck with uk as usual....



Political expediency. I hate that phrase (or do I like it) :roll:



The more accurate term is 'realpolitik'.



Thanks. That too then. :lol:
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Re: Lesson in IL

Postby Oracle » Wed Feb 20, 2008 9:57 pm

utu wrote:
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ERCAKICA: TURKISH CYPRIOT SIDE COMMITTED TO ESTABLISHING PARTNERSHIP STATE ON THE BASIS OF POLITICAL EQUALITY OF THE TWO SIDES
The Presidential Spokesperson Hasan Ercakica has reiterated the Turkish Cypriot Side’s commitment to work towards the establishment of a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states.

The Presidential spokesman evaluated the results of the first round of President Elections on the Greek Cypriot Side as well as Kosovo’s declaration of independence during his weekly press briefing today.

Speaking to reporters, Mr. Ercakica said that the results of Sunday’s first round of ‘Presidential elections’ in the South indicated that the Greek Cypriot people were concerned by the consequences of rejecting the Annan Plan and had thus desired the election a new leader whose policies will be supported by the international community.

The Presidential spokesman expressed the hope that the stance adopted by the Greek Cypriot people will contribute to breaking the current deadlock in efforts aimed at finding a solution.

Stressing that the Turkish Cypriot Side will continue to work towards establishing a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states, Mr. Ercakica said that the Turkish Cypriot Side was committed to making the best out of all opportunities to that end.

Also touching upon the issue of Kosovo, the Presidential spokesperson said that there were important lessons to derive from the process which led to Kosovo’s independence.

“The most important lesson to be learnt from the Kosovo issue is that no people can be forced or compelled to live under the authority of another nation” he said, adding that this was why the Turkish Cypriot Side was going to continue to work towards finding a mutually acceptable solution to the Cyprus Problem.
Responding to questions as to whether the TRNC was considering to diplomatically recognize the breakaway state, Mr. Ercakica said that there was no such preparation to do so at this point in time.


Kosovo's UDI not recognized by TRNC
I don't think that it will keep them awake, but I try for accuracy of facts.


The thing is though is that when the head of state (in this case Talat) sends a message of congratulations to the head of state of another country that has procliamed a UDI, that is recognition of the fact that one country recognizes another country. The fact that the north's foreign ministry is saying otherwise means very little as diplomatic relationships are between GOVERNMENTS. The second that Talat sent that message, he is stating that his state recognized Kosovo as a state. The decision to which the north should establish diplomatic relations with Kosovo's government would rest with Soyer. This is a fine - but significant - distinction in international law.


But Talat's "state" is not recognised as a "state" so how can an unrecognised "state" such as the "TRNC" recognise another unrecognised "state" like Kosovo. ... and suddenly both are created as "recognised".

You're asking for quantum leaps .... even if one state existed and the other did not, recognition by one of the other is not relevant, nor does it bring the non-existent state into existence by mere "recognition" of its state....

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Postby utu » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:29 pm

You mentioned Head of state, Talat and International law in the same post!


If Kosovo recognizes TRNC as a reciprocal move, then it throws a whole new dynamic into the equation.
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Postby DT. » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:34 pm

utu wrote:
You mentioned Head of state, Talat and International law in the same post!


If Kosovo recognizes TRNC as a reciprocal move, then it throws a whole new dynamic into the equation.


you really think kosovo has suicidal tendencies don't you?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:35 pm

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You mentioned Head of state, Talat and International law in the same post!


If Kosovo recognizes TRNC as a reciprocal move, then it throws a whole new dynamic into the equation.

That might just be the fastest way for shaky Kosovo to kiss the UN goodbye...
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Postby DT. » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:45 pm

my snappy answer was faster than your snappy answer.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Feb 21, 2008 12:51 am

DT. wrote:my snappy answer was faster than your snappy answer.

Yeah but my teeth are sharper... :lol:
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:15 am

Halil said "it will be their own desicion.We all have selfdetermanation rights."

Yes we do Halil, but we also have an agreement between Makarios and Denktash, renewed several times since, always by Denktash and later GC leaders that in Cyprus we reject SEPARATE SELF DETERMINATION FOR EACH COMMUNITY. Is that agreement no longer valid? If not then is the BBF agreement invalid too? They were part and parcel of the same deal.

It would be useful to know where the TC leadership stands on this point.
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Postby Kifeas » Thu Feb 21, 2008 1:21 am

observer wrote:Back to subject
ERCAKICA: TURKISH CYPRIOT SIDE COMMITTED TO ESTABLISHING PARTNERSHIP STATE ON THE BASIS OF POLITICAL EQUALITY OF THE TWO SIDES
The Presidential Spokesperson Hasan Ercakica has reiterated the Turkish Cypriot Side’s commitment to work towards the establishment of a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states.

The Presidential spokesman evaluated the results of the first round of President Elections on the Greek Cypriot Side as well as Kosovo’s declaration of independence during his weekly press briefing today.

Speaking to reporters, Mr. Ercakica said that the results of Sunday’s first round of ‘Presidential elections’ in the South indicated that the Greek Cypriot people were concerned by the consequences of rejecting the Annan Plan and had thus desired the election a new leader whose policies will be supported by the international community.

The Presidential spokesman expressed the hope that the stance adopted by the Greek Cypriot people will contribute to breaking the current deadlock in efforts aimed at finding a solution.

Stressing that the Turkish Cypriot Side will continue to work towards establishing a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states, Mr. Ercakica said that the Turkish Cypriot Side was committed to making the best out of all opportunities to that end.

Also touching upon the issue of Kosovo, the Presidential spokesperson said that there were important lessons to derive from the process which led to Kosovo’s independence.

“The most important lesson to be learnt from the Kosovo issue is that no people can be forced or compelled to live under the authority of another nation” he said, adding that this was why the Turkish Cypriot Side was going to continue to work towards finding a mutually acceptable solution to the Cyprus Problem.
Responding to questions as to whether the TRNC was considering to diplomatically recognize the breakaway state, Mr. Ercakica said that there was no such preparation to do so at this point in time.


Kosovo's UDI not recognized by TRNC
I don't think that it will keep them awake, but I try for accuracy of facts.


Observer, would you or anyone else care explaining to us who are the two SIDES that mr. Ercakica is refering to in the above report? Is it the two communities as they are institutionalised by the 1960 RoC constitution, or is it the two "states," i.e. the "trnc" in the north and the "Greek Cypriot administration" in the south? Does anyone of the TCs in this forum know what Ercakica has in mind, when he talks about "...the two sides?"
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