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[Get Real!]

I'll give you a hint:

Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States

Article 1
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: (a) a permanent population; (b) a defined territory; (c) government; and (d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.

Article 2
The federal state shall constitute a sole person in the eyes of international law.

Article 3
The political existence of the state is independent of recognition by the other states. Even before recognition the state has the right to defend its integrity and independence, to provide for its conservation and prosperity, and consequently to organize itself as it sees fit, to legislate upon its interests, administer its services, and to define the jurisdiction and competence of its courts. The exercise of these rights has no other limitation than the exercise of the rights of other states according to international law.

Article 4
States are juridically equal, enjoy the same rights, and have equal capacity in their exercise. The rights of each one do not depend upon the power which it possesses to assure its exercise, but upon the simple fact of its existence as a person under international law.

Articles 1 and 3 seem most relevant.

If you're going to post the Montevideo criteria post the whole thing and not just the bits that suit you...

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus10622.html&highlight

[Expatkiwi]

New Zealand doesn't recognise the so-called 'TRNC' though.It recognises the Government of Cyprus as the legitimate authority in the whole island,except for where the S.B.A.s are located.

Aidan.

Well Duh! I already knew that, Aidan. Personally, I think it is wrong, but that is NZ's decision.

[Get Real!]

New Zealand doesn't recognise the so-called 'TRNC' though.It recognises the Government of Cyprus as the legitimate authority in the whole island,except for where the S.B.A.s are located.

Aidan.

Well Duh! I already knew that, Aidan. Personally, I think it is wrong, but that is NZ's decision.

So why should the "TRNC" be recognized?

[BC Numismatics]

Get Real!,I reckon that both Somaliland & Taiwan should be given full recognition,along with Kosovo & Nagorno-Karabakh.The 'TRNC' is not a legal entity.The same goes for Transdniester.

Aidan.

[Expatkiwi]

Yeah, Aidan. Freedom (at least in your eyes) doesn't apply to Turks. I think you really approved of the attempted removal of the Turkish Presence in Cyprus in '63-'65 and the attempted coup in '74. If Turkish military intervention was the only way to stop such a thing from happening, then I'm not doing to dispute it.
On this issue, you and I are going to have to agree to disagree.

[BC Numismatics]

Dean,I was born in 1976.Turks belong in Turkey & Cypriots belong in Cyprus.Turkey is the illegal occupying power.

Aidan.

[Expatkiwi]

What is your point, Aidan? If the Turkish Cypriots asked the Turkish military to protect them (which they did when Sampson sprung thed coup), then how can you knock them for doing so?

[observer]

Get Real!,I reckon that both Somaliland & Taiwan should be given full recognition,along with Kosovo & Nagorno-Karabakh.The 'TRNC' is not a legal entity.The same goes for Transdniester.

Aidan.

And there we have it, opinion. Was the People's Republic of China any less legal for 30 years or so because USA vetoed its membership of the United Nations. Was the Indonesian government thrilled to have East Timor taken away from it and declared a country by the UN? Apart from politics is there any real difference between Kosovo, and Macedonia, Bosnia and all the other states splitting away from Serbia, or between all the states that did separate from Russia (and those that want to). Only politics.

There is no internationally agreed criteria for judging whether a state is legal or illegal. When deciding whether or not to recognise a new "country" governments look first to how it will affect their own country.

[Tim Drayton]

Somebody seems to have got their facts wrong here!

Talat in fact made a statement saying that there was no point in an entity such as the "TRNC", which itself lacks any international recognition, recognising Kosovo.

Last week Talat gave a press conference in which he argued that the Kosovars had succeeded where the Turkish Cypriots had failed precisely because they had worked in harmony with the international community. He said that the international community at the moment wanted to see reunification in Cyprus, and so the Turkish Cypriots should work towards that goal. This was a cleverly worded statement that was well received in the mainland Turkish press. He managed to play to the Turkish nationalist gallery and yet artfully turn the argument round against partition.

I think some people on this forum are very unfair to Talat. He is walking a tightrope that involves keeping Ankara happy and not alienating the nationalists too much while trying to remain on course towards a settlement. Now that Christofias is president I expect to see Talat playing a constructive role in a new settlement process.

[DT.]

Somebody seems to have got their facts wrong here!

Talat in fact made a statement saying that there was no point in an entity such as the "TRNC", which itself lacks any international recognition, recognising Kosovo.

Last week Talat gave a press conference in which he argued that the Kosovars had succeeded where the Turkish Cypriots had failed precisely because they had worked in harmony with the international community. He said that the international community at the moment wanted to see reunification in Cyprus, and so the Turkish Cypriots should work towards that goal. This was a cleverly worded statement that was well received in the mainland Turkish press. He managed to play to the Turkish nationalist gallery and yet artfully turn the argument round against partition.

I think some people on this forum are very unfair to Talat. He is walking a tightrope that involves keeping Ankara happy and not alienating the nationalists too much while trying to remain on course towards a settlement. Now that Christofias is president I expect to see Talat playing a constructive role in a new settlement process.

Karamanlis is koumbaros with Erdogan...Christofias and Talat will be getting drunk on vodka together... the only people who seem to be arguing are us idiots.