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[Nikitas]

"'course not, without Turkey there would be no more Turkish Cyp's to live with would there, spoiling your dream of a Greek Island?" says Tess.

You forget that Greek Cypriots took up arms against the coup in 1974 and according to some TC in this forum that conflict caused more GC deaths than the Turkish invasion. Turning Cyprus into a Greek island is unnecessary, according to Lawrence Durrel Cyprus is already the most Greek island of all. Its character is not in issue, its independence is and you cannot be independent with thousands of foreign soldiers (of any nationality) on your soil. You cannot see this then there is no point talking about independence.

Now we have a copy of Ireland, the RoC in the role of the Republic of Ireland and TRNC in the role of Ulster. Of all people you should be able to see that.

[Oracle]

I think the RoC will wait for a full solution, not a reversal of fortunes.

The actions of Turkey since the 1960 Agreement have proven, beyond a measure of all doubt, that Turkey should never be allowed again to have any influence over Cyprus ... let alone as guarantor

Full removal of any Turkish influence is what the EU will help obtain for Cyprus in the next few years.

'course not, without Turkey there would be no more Turkish Cyp's to live with would there, spoiling your dream of a Greek Island?

What's it to you what aspirations I have for my country? Do the TCs come joined at the hip to Turks by any chance?

Now, don't you have some customers to serve .....

[Viewpoint]

Its going to be very interesting to see who will recognize Kosovo and who will not, Serbia, Spain, South Cyprus and Russia seem to head the pack of doom and gloom, just another nail in the GC coffin the EU will look at this as just another form of a solution along side unification. Now GCs have the opportunity to show the world thy are truly interested in a solution and that the impasse of GC intransigence has been replaced by a vision and compromise.

[shahmaran]

"Full removal [of Turkish troops] will NEVER be possible." per Shahmaran

Which could be taken to mean that full independence will never be possible and therefore makes monkeys of the Talat statement that no people should be forced to live under the sovereignty of another.

Why should the Turkish troops fully leave anyways?

Isn't there any Greek military presence in the South?

[denizaksulu]

"I salute the independence of Kosovo," said Mehmet Ali Talat, president of the TRNC, which is recognized only by Turkey, in a statement.

"I ask that those who object to the independence of Kosovo take into consideration that no people can be forced to live under the rule of another people," he said.

Says the hypocritical Turkish Cypriot clown, himself a remnant of Turkey’s forceful rule over Cypriots for over 300 years!!!

Back to history lessons again GR. Was it the slip of the tongue. Turkey has not ruled over Cyprus for over 300 years. There was no Turkey 300 years ago.

[MR-from-NG]

I think the RoC will wait for a full solution, not a reversal of fortunes.

The actions of Turkey since the 1960 Agreement have proven, beyond a measure of all doubt, that Turkey should never be allowed again to have any influence over Cyprus ... let alone as guarantor

Full removal of any Turkish influence is what the EU will help obtain for Cyprus in the next few years.

Turkey's guarantor status should never be taken away. As long as the GCs have no hidden agenda or ulterior motive then why should they care or worry about Turkey.

I personally would not feel safe if I was left at the mercy of my Greek cousins. I would have no problems if I was with the likes of Miltiades, Bananiot or Cypozekli but knowing I'll have to deal with the likes of Phoenix, Piratis, kifeas, Sotos and co makes me very uncomfortable.

[DT.]

"Full removal [of Turkish troops] will NEVER be possible." per Shahmaran

Which could be taken to mean that full independence will never be possible and therefore makes monkeys of the Talat statement that no people should be forced to live under the sovereignty of another.

Why should the Turkish troops fully leave anyways?

Isn't there any Greek military presence in the South?

I forget the countless times that the govt has proposed to you a full demilitarisation. No turkish troops, no 600 strong ELDYK and no National Guard.

You're the ones that keep refusing Shah.

[DT.]

I think the RoC will wait for a full solution, not a reversal of fortunes.

The actions of Turkey since the 1960 Agreement have proven, beyond a measure of all doubt, that Turkey should never be allowed again to have any influence over Cyprus ... let alone as guarantor

Full removal of any Turkish influence is what the EU will help obtain for Cyprus in the next few years.

Turkey's guarantor status should never be taken away. As long as the GCs have no hidden agenda or ulterior motive then why should they care or worry about Turkey.

I personally would not feel safe if I was left at the mercy of my Greek cousins. I would have no problems if I was with the likes of Miltiades, Bananiot or Cypozekli but knowing I'll have to deal with the likes of Phoenix, Piratis, kifeas, Sotos and co makes me very uncomfortable.

If you feel that with no national guard, no troops (greek or turkish) on this island and with a Nato or EU force to start with you still need Turkish gaurantees then you're not ready for re-unification either Mr Fromng.

[shahmaran]

"Full removal [of Turkish troops] will NEVER be possible." per Shahmaran

Which could be taken to mean that full independence will never be possible and therefore makes monkeys of the Talat statement that no people should be forced to live under the sovereignty of another.

Why should the Turkish troops fully leave anyways?

Isn't there any Greek military presence in the South?

I forget the countless times that the govt has proposed to you a full demilitarisation. No turkish troops, no 600 strong ELDYK and no National Guard.

You're the ones that keep refusing Shah.

I'm just wondering why Phoenix is so desperate to get the "Turks out", while ignoring the other military forces there, if she is not the racist bitch that she insists she is not?

[shahmaran]

I think the RoC will wait for a full solution, not a reversal of fortunes.

The actions of Turkey since the 1960 Agreement have proven, beyond a measure of all doubt, that Turkey should never be allowed again to have any influence over Cyprus ... let alone as guarantor

Full removal of any Turkish influence is what the EU will help obtain for Cyprus in the next few years.

Turkey's guarantor status should never be taken away. As long as the GCs have no hidden agenda or ulterior motive then why should they care or worry about Turkey.

I personally would not feel safe if I was left at the mercy of my Greek cousins. I would have no problems if I was with the likes of Miltiades, Bananiot or Cypozekli but knowing I'll have to deal with the likes of Phoenix, Piratis, kifeas, Sotos and co makes me very uncomfortable.

If you feel that with no national guard, no troops (greek or turkish) on this island and with a Nato or EU force to start with you still need Turkish gaurantees then you're not ready for re-unification either Mr Fromng.

The most recent genocide in history took place at the heart of the EU with all of those forces at hand DT, did it change the outcome in time?