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Postby observer » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:08 pm

Nikitas wrote:Bulgaria is not in the list of countries that welcomed Kossovo's independence declaration. Check your facts Observer.


The list of countries came from Reuters. The following comes from the Bulgarian Foreign Minister.
Bulgaria ready to recognise Kosovo's independence: minister
18 February 2008, 18:52 CET
(SOFIA) - Bulgaria said Monday it ultimately was prepared to recognise Kosovo's independence, even if it would not do so immediately.
"Led by the principle for the necessity of stability in the region and for solidarity with our partners in the European Union, I will propose to the Bulgarian government to take a decision for establishing diplomatic relations with the authorities in Kosovo," Foreign Minister Ivaylo Kalfin said in a statement.
But he said Bulgaria's recognition of Kosovo would not come immediately.
"This decision will be closely linked to how the situation develops in Kosovo over the coming weeks," Kalfin said.
Full article at www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1203355021.41
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Postby halil » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:23 pm

BirKibrisli wrote:
humanist wrote:Zan
Talat is hated by the TC nationalists because he wants unification......You have no better friend than he.......The tricks that Tpap wanted to play with the July agreement played into the hands of the nationalists and an open ended discussion was not something that he could allow.....Tpap is gone and if he has no finger in the pie then maybe a time scale can be put on this and an agreement reached.....Tpap wanted the siege to go on and it clearly cannot be allowed to.



Zan firstly I doubt that Talat wants unification I find the man to be dishonest in his dealing and personally would not trust him on anything. He has been quoted in various papers mainly Turkish press to be threatening partition more than once, his decision to allow people to light a flag to remind those who have lost country and persons who rules the Island is dispicabe act.

Papdopoulos is gone so lets see what he'll do.

Zan I notice you get stuck in the past, like I said wh are you and Talat going to blame now???


Dear humanist,
As Kafenes has already pointed out Talat is only reading a script given to him by Ankara...He cannot do anything else...The TCs are totally cornered,and they feel they have nowhere else to turn to but Turkey...So everything will depend on the approach the new President will take towards the TCs...Although we all know the decisions are made in Ankara,proper political decorum(of Turkey) dictates that Talat is not humiliated in any way. The new President must play the game of taking Talat seriously if we are to get anywhere...And who knows if Talat is taken seriously he might even be able to influence Turkish policy on Cyprus in some small way... :(


Kibrisli gardaş,
i think you are the one reading what your true cypriot brothers given you.
Have a look at the what his spokeman says also read what the Turkish News papers from Turkey says.
Bu ön yargılardan kurtulduğun zaman bizleri anlıyacaksın.
ERCAKICA: TURKISH CYPRIOT SIDE COMMITTED TO ESTABLISHING PARTNERSHIP STATE ON THE BASIS OF POLITICAL EQUALITY OF THE TWO SIDES
The Presidential Spokesperson Hasan Ercakica has reiterated the Turkish Cypriot Side’s commitment to work towards the establishment of a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states.

The Presidential spokesman evaluated the results of the first round of President Elections on the Greek Cypriot Side as well as Kosovo’s declaration of independence during his weekly press briefing today.

Speaking to reporters, Mr. Ercakica said that the results of Sunday’s first round of ‘Presidential elections’ in the South indicated that the Greek Cypriot people were concerned by the consequences of rejecting the Annan Plan and had thus desired the election a new leader whose policies will be supported by the international community.

The Presidential spokesman expressed the hope that the stance adopted by the Greek Cypriot people will contribute to breaking the current deadlock in efforts aimed at finding a solution.

Stressing that the Turkish Cypriot Side will continue to work towards establishing a new partnership state based on the political equality of the two peoples and the equal status of two constituent states, Mr. Ercakica said that the Turkish Cypriot Side was committed to making the best out of all opportunities to that end.

Also touching upon the issue of Kosovo, the Presidential spokesperson said that there were important lessons to derive from the process which led to Kosovo’s independence.

“The most important lesson to be learnt from the Kosovo issue is that no people can be forced or compelled to live under the authority of another nation” he said, adding that this was why the Turkish Cypriot Side was going to continue to work towards finding a mutually acceptable solution to the Cyprus Problem.

Responding to questions as to whether the TRNC was considering to diplomatically recognize the breakaway state, Mr. Ercakica said that there was no such preparation to do so at this point in time.


below one is what the opposition party UBP says
TRNC SHOULD TAKE HISTORIC DECISION TO RECOGNIZE KOSOVO
The main opposition National Unity has called on the TRNC officials to take a historic decision by recognizing the breakaway state of Kosovo.

A UBP statement said that Kosovo’s declaration of independence could have an important impact on the Cyprus Issue.
Evaluating Kosovo’s declaration of independence, the National Unity Party issued a written statement in which it reminded that the Turkish Cypriot people had proclaimed the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus on the 15th of November 1983 following a similar struggle waged by the people of Kosovo.

Pointing out that no country, for the exception of Turkey, recognized the TRNC as an independent state due to ongoing injustices and double standards, the UBP statement said that these injustices did not deter the UBP from its determination to achieve freedom and independence for the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

“The difficulties we face on the path to achieving this should not be an obstacle in the way of unconditionally recognizing Kovoso” the statement read.
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Postby halil » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:26 pm

Birkibrisli,
below statement is from Turkey,
BABACAN SAYS GREEK CYPRIOT ELECTION WILL START NEW PROCESS IN CYPRUS


Another evaluation over the presidential election in South Cyprus came from Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan who expressed the hope that a new solution process will start in Cyprus following the completion of the Greek Cypriot presidential election process.

Commenting on the Greek Cypriot presidential elections before his departure for Moscow, Turkish Foreign Minister Babacan stated that the approach to be adopted by Turkey and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus towards a solution in Cyprus is clear, no matter who wins the election in South Cyprus.

`We are in favor of the establishment of a partnership state based on the political equality of two constituent states` he said, adding that a realistic solution to the Cyprus problem could only be brought within the framework of the standing UN parameters.

Noting that a more detailed statement will be made after the completion of the election process, Mr Babacan expressed the hope that a new phase will begin on Cyprus after the election, adding that the Turkish side will make fresh efforts on the issue.
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Re: Will Tallat honour his committment?

Postby observer » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:42 pm

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humanist wrote:A few weeks ago in Zaman (if its a credible source ofcourse) Talat claimed his dream is for a united Cyprus. Now with dear Pap's out of the presidency will he adhere to July 8th agreement and come to the party for a United Cyprus or will he continue on his path for partition. No more blaming Papadopoulos so lets see how much of a liar he can be shall we?


thy will just find new ways to blame us and stop re-unification they where thanking god we said no then they use the annan plan rubbish at every chance they get saying oh we said yes even though we dident want to :twisted:


I think that you are living on a different planet, or maybe you just didn't read what I wrote before. So here it is again:

Talat was voted into office on a program of reunification. He led the TCs to an overwhelming vote for reunification. Today he has welcomed the GC’s rejection of Papadopoulos, as he sees him (as does most of the rest of the world) as a major obstacle to reunification. I have not studied every speech he has ever made, but in those I have read, any talk of partition by him has been preceded by a wish for reunification first, but if that is not possible then divorce is a second best option.
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Postby observer » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:54 pm

If those who want a settlement of the Cyprus problem want something to worry about, it should be the announcement that Papadopoulos will be given a "special role" in what is presumed to be the new Christofias government.

Any indication of what that "special role" will be?
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Postby DT. » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:54 pm

observer wrote:If those who want a settlement of the Cyprus problem want something to worry about, it should be the announcement that Papadopoulos will be given a "special role" in what is presumed to be the new Christofias government.

Any indication of what that "special role" will be?


President? :lol:
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Postby observer » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:07 pm

DT. wrote:
observer wrote:If those who want a settlement of the Cyprus problem want something to worry about, it should be the announcement that Papadopoulos will be given a "special role" in what is presumed to be the new Christofias government.

Any indication of what that "special role" will be?


President? :lol:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:11 pm

Halil gardash,

There is one point i agree with you strongly. Tpapa's stuborn refusal to talk to Talat or take him seriously is partly responsible for Talat's present stand...But still for someone who was elected on a policy of reunification it is unforgivable now to change the tune to the one of "partition"..The two state solution based on political equality of the 'constituent states",championed by Talat and Babacan now, is nothing but Partition in disguise...They are not fooling anyone,not the least the GCs...Any solution which will set in concrete the bizonal and bicommunal nature of the Federation is Partition in disguise. It will never be accepted by the GCs,no matter who leads them...Similarly,saying that Turkey should pull her troops out and all will be sorted out is doomed to failure.The TCs will never accept it...So we need a solution which will leave the door (and all the windows!) open for an eventual unitary state with some degree of protection for the TCs,with the hope that with increasing trust and empathy we can finally move to a totally democratic state where ethnic origins are totally irrevelant...We all have to be honest and brave enough to name things what they are..Too much is at stake for us to play silly blame games...We have to put the interest of Cyprus ahead of everything else...Both sides have to compromise and both sides have to put some trust in the other and take some basic risks to achieve the right interim solution...Anything less is playing ethnic politics and serving foreign interests... :(
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Re: Will Tallat honour his committment?

Postby paliometoxo » Wed Feb 20, 2008 6:10 pm

observer wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:
humanist wrote:A few weeks ago in Zaman (if its a credible source ofcourse) Talat claimed his dream is for a united Cyprus. Now with dear Pap's out of the presidency will he adhere to July 8th agreement and come to the party for a United Cyprus or will he continue on his path for partition. No more blaming Papadopoulos so lets see how much of a liar he can be shall we?


thy will just find new ways to blame us and stop re-unification they where thanking god we said no then they use the annan plan rubbish at every chance they get saying oh we said yes even though we dident want to :twisted:


I think that you are living on a different planet, or maybe you just didn't read what I wrote before. So here it is again:

Talat was voted into office on a program of reunification. He led the TCs to an overwhelming vote for reunification. Today he has welcomed the GC’s rejection of Papadopoulos, as he sees him (as does most of the rest of the world) as a major obstacle to reunification. I have not studied every speech he has ever made, but in those I have read, any talk of partition by him has been preceded by a wish for reunification first, but if that is not possible then divorce is a second best option.


well see what re-unification talat means 100% in favour of turks maybe?
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