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Re: Will Tallat honour his committment?

Postby zan » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:24 am

miltiades wrote:
zan wrote:
humanist wrote:A few weeks ago in Zaman (if its a credible source ofcourse) Talat claimed his dream is for a united Cyprus. Now with dear Pap's out of the presidency will he adhere to July 8th agreement and come to the party for a United Cyprus or will he continue on his path for partition. No more blaming Papadopoulos so lets see how much of a liar he can be shall we?


Talat is hated by the TC nationalists because he wants unification......You have no better friend than he.......The tricks that Tpap wanted to play with the July agreement played into the hands of the nationalists and an open ended discussion was not something that he could allow.....Tpap is gone and if he has no finger in the pie then maybe a time scale can be put on this and an agreement reached.....Tpap wanted the siege to go on and it clearly cannot be allowed to.

Are you one of those nationalists ??
Bet you are !


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Postby humanist » Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:51 pm

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Talat is hated by the TC nationalists because he wants unification......You have no better friend than he.......The tricks that Tpap wanted to play with the July agreement played into the hands of the nationalists and an open ended discussion was not something that he could allow.....Tpap is gone and if he has no finger in the pie then maybe a time scale can be put on this and an agreement reached.....Tpap wanted the siege to go on and it clearly cannot be allowed to.



Zan firstly I doubt that Talat wants unification I find the man to be dishonest in his dealing and personally would not trust him on anything. He has been quoted in various papers mainly Turkish press to be threatening partition more than once, his decision to allow people to light a flag to remind those who have lost country and persons who rules the Island is dispicabe act.

Papdopoulos is gone so lets see what he'll do.

Zan I notice you get stuck in the past, like I said wh are you and Talat going to blame now???
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Postby BirKibrisli » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:27 pm

humanist wrote:Zan
Talat is hated by the TC nationalists because he wants unification......You have no better friend than he.......The tricks that Tpap wanted to play with the July agreement played into the hands of the nationalists and an open ended discussion was not something that he could allow.....Tpap is gone and if he has no finger in the pie then maybe a time scale can be put on this and an agreement reached.....Tpap wanted the siege to go on and it clearly cannot be allowed to.



Zan firstly I doubt that Talat wants unification I find the man to be dishonest in his dealing and personally would not trust him on anything. He has been quoted in various papers mainly Turkish press to be threatening partition more than once, his decision to allow people to light a flag to remind those who have lost country and persons who rules the Island is dispicabe act.

Papdopoulos is gone so lets see what he'll do.

Zan I notice you get stuck in the past, like I said wh are you and Talat going to blame now???


Dear humanist,
As Kafenes has already pointed out Talat is only reading a script given to him by Ankara...He cannot do anything else...The TCs are totally cornered,and they feel they have nowhere else to turn to but Turkey...So everything will depend on the approach the new President will take towards the TCs...Although we all know the decisions are made in Ankara,proper political decorum(of Turkey) dictates that Talat is not humiliated in any way. The new President must play the game of taking Talat seriously if we are to get anywhere...And who knows if Talat is taken seriously he might even be able to influence Turkish policy on Cyprus in some small way... :(
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Postby observer » Tue Feb 19, 2008 1:30 pm

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Zan firstly I doubt that Talat wants unification I find the man to be dishonest in his dealing and personally would not trust him on anything. He has been quoted in various papers mainly Turkish press to be threatening partition more than once, his decision to allow people to light a flag to remind those who have lost country and persons who rules the Island is dispicabe act.

Papdopoulos is gone so lets see what he'll do.

Zan I notice you get stuck in the past, like I said wh are you and Talat going to blame now???
Excuse me interrupting, but this is ridiculous.

Talat was voted into office on a program of reunification. He led the TCs to an overwhelming vote for reunification. Today he has welcomed the GC’s rejection of Papadopoulos, as he sees him (as does most of the rest of the world) as a major obstacle to reunification. I have not studied every speech he has ever made, but in those I have read, any talk of partition by him has been preceded by a wish for reunification first, but if that is not possible then divorce is a second best option.

Both sides have their partitionists, politicians and others who have done well out of partition. Some GCs want a unitary state, some TCs want partition. Neither are practical given our history. But I hope that Sunday’s election and the rejection of Papadopoulos’ policies means that TC and GC can go down the path to an agreed BBF, with closer cooperation in the years ahead.
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Postby humanist » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:52 pm

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Excuse me interrupting, but this is ridiculous.

Talat was voted into office on a program of reunification. He led the TCs to an overwhelming vote for reunification. Today he has welcomed the GC’s rejection of Papadopoulos, as he sees him (as does most of the rest of the world) as a major obstacle to reunification. I have not studied every speech he has ever made, but in those I have read, any talk of partition by him has been preceded by a wish for reunification first, but if that is not possible then divorce is a second best option.

Both sides have their partitionists, politicians and others who have done well out of partition. Some GCs want a unitary state, some TCs want partition. Neither are practical given our history. But I hope that Sunday’s election and the rejection of Papadopoulos’ policies means that TC and GC can go down the path to an agreed BBF, with closer cooperation in the years ahead.



Ridiculous did you say my friend???????


Try this on for size then say it don't fit.
The following article appeared in NASDAQ (looks like at least a part of Cyprus will respect Kosovo as a sovereign nation...., so sorry RoCy)

Breakaway Turkish Cypriots Hail Kosovo Independence - AFP

NICOSIA (AFP)--The breakaway Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus hailed Monday Kosovo's declaration of independence, saying no people should be forced to live under the sovereignty of others.

"I salute the independence of Kosovo," said Mehmet Ali Talat, president of the TRNC, which is recognized only by Turkey, in a statement.

"I ask that those who object to the independence of Kosovo take into consideration that no people can be forced to live under the rule of another people," he said.

The internationally recognized Greek Cypriot government of Cyprus is among several European Union members reluctant to back Kosovo because of their own territorial issues.

Talat said last week that Turkish Cypriots remain committed to U.N. efforts to reunify the island, expected to be revived after presidential elections in the Greek Cypriot south.

Incumbent Tassos Papadopoulos, who led Greek Cypriots in rejecting a U.N. reunification plan in 2004, was eliminated in the first round Sunday.

His two challengers - former foreign minister Ioannis Kasoulides and Communist Party leader Demetris Christofias - who will face off in the second round next weekend, have both pledged to renew contacts with the Turkish Cypriots.

Peace talks have been stalled since April 2004, when the Greek Cypriots rejected the reunification plan, which received overwhelming Turkish Cypriot support.

Cyprus has been divided since 1974 when Turkey seized its northern third in response to an Athens-engineered Greek Cypriot coup aimed at union with Greece.


(END) Dow Jones Newswires
02-18-080650ET
Copyright (c) 2008 Dow Jones & Company, Inc.



Talat is nothing more than a little racist GC hating moron (not in lack of better words, but in respect of iceman who doesn't like me swearing.

There will never be a soultion to the Cypro with little minded individual racist wanker such as him. no people should live under the rule of another. Firstly he does not recognise human beings as just that he separates and segrates, so it is the same little small minded thing here, as long as he sees GC's as the enemy and not the same people there will never be a solution to the Cypro, I say to the Roc shut the door put up a 6 meter wall and keep him in his little kingdom, if that what he wants that might satisfy him, Keep your actions on freedom for Cyprus and keep the isolations for as long as you can. Oh Mr papdopoulos I wish you all the very best of luck next weekend.
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Postby observer » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:40 am

I see nothing to object to in Talat's statement (though there is a certain amount to object to in your language).

He salutes the independence of Kosovo. So do the leaders of Afghanistan, Albania, France, Germany, Italy, Turkey, Belgium, Luxembourg, Slovenia, Sweden, Ireland, Denmark, Finland, Bulgaria, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Austria, Hungary, UK and USA all of whom have either recognised Kosovo or indicated that they are going to.

He says that no people can be forced to live under the rule of another people. Unless, like BC Numismatist, you believe that the British Empire should be reinstated it is difficult to object to that statement, which is entirely in agreement with his often stated position that he wants an agreement for a reconciled Cyprus, united in BBF.

In fact, in the newspaper article you quoted, it goes on to say "Talat said last week that Turkish Cypriots remain committed to U.N. efforts to reunify the island, expected to be revived after presidential elections in the Greek Cypriot south."

I think that your prejudice is blinding you to the facts.
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Postby humanist » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:01 am

observer, that is entirely your position on the matter, I make no apologies about my language. I believe every word that I said about this man.

I beleive that you wrong about my prejusdice, I have always maintained, that all Cypriots have equal rights to their country, that TC's have just as much right to call Cyprus their home as any other Cypriot. I simply do not trust a man who has been repeatedly post ponoing the July 8th agreement which would have hopefully lead to a solution to our national problem. Do I think the TC has right to call the occupied area their country no I don't, do I believe that they have a right possess property that is not theirs No I don't.

As far as am concerned there is one people in Cyprus and that is the Cypriot people who have diverse linguistic backgrounds some also share different religious ideologies. They all have a right to access their country freely and the right to their property. Talat by his actions has enforced violation of these rights and continues to do so.
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Postby Nikitas » Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:22 am

"He says that no people can be forced to live under the rule of another people."

Where does this leave the Native Americans, the Palestinians and the Kurds? Challenging the institution of the nation state is not a hobby that can be indulged in lightly by nation states. There are still people jailed in USA because they belonged to the American Indian Movement in the 70s. Anyone in the USA who dares even think of the possibility of independence is ostracised, but the USA thinks it is funny to cultivate fragmentation in Europe. We should return the favor and start applying separate recognition for each state. After all, a New Yorker is as different from a Tennessian as a Kossovar is from a Serb.

Bulgaria is not in the list of countries that welcomed Kossovo's independence declaration. Check your facts Observer.
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Re: Will Tallat honour his committment?

Postby paliometoxo » Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:04 pm

humanist wrote:A few weeks ago in Zaman (if its a credible source ofcourse) Talat claimed his dream is for a united Cyprus. Now with dear Pap's out of the presidency will he adhere to July 8th agreement and come to the party for a United Cyprus or will he continue on his path for partition. No more blaming Papadopoulos so lets see how much of a liar he can be shall we?


thy will just find new ways to blame us and stop re-unification they where thanking god we said no then they use the annan plan rubbish at every chance they get saying oh we said yes even though we dident want to :twisted:
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Postby halil » Wed Feb 20, 2008 2:01 pm

You are all dreaming about Talat or TC's .
You all don't understand our situation in Cyprus.
We all know if we don't walk with Turkey , what will happen.
İf international communities listens only one side and tries to understand Cyprus problem they all making big mistakes. İt is the only one gate that we can tell the international communities what we are, The Turkish Cypriots are wanting. With basic things you are trying to interfere to everybody , what you are excepting from us to do. (don't go to North, Don't do business with them ..... etc.....etc.) and you are blaming Talat or TC's that we can not do anything without Turkey.
You are the ones forcing us ,
you are the one who is trying to isolate us from the world .
When Talat says truth you don't like him....... He is right to act like that.....
He has big support from us (TC's).
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