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[zan]

Zan Mate IM ALLL FOR GOING BACK TO THE ZURICH AGGREEMENT !

YES YES YES YES YES I HAVE BEEN TRUSTING THE T/CS AND I HAVE STATED THIS MANY TIMES.
Mate your confusing me with someone else , this is Miltiades , you the guy who has on so many occasions stated that his ambition is to see a T/C as the president of a unified Cyprus , a party embracing all Cypriots !!
How many times do I need to make my position clear. There are many Miltiadesses in Cyprus , just as there are many Birs and Kikapus , hopefully just a few Zans !!

Bullshit Lip service......Love comes with understanding. Understanding of the people and the circumstances and the real situation. It says, let us move on from today and not have to uproot the people you so love for sentimentality and a false sense of justice...I want to move forward with reality and not some need to turn back time and cause an entire people hardship and embarrassment. That is true love of a people Miltiades. Say sorry and move on. Look forward to improving relations and a united Cyprus in the future. That does not mean partition but respected borders for now. That means we trust you to do the right thing so we can be together again in the future.....My brother in laws favourite saying/question is rude but goes "siking gakarkandan sokacung"?(Written in Kibrislica) I will not translate it here.

Now, after Tpap has gone, and I hope he does not do what I am suspicious of him doing and rule in the shadows, I hope there are many like me on our side and many like Bananiot on yours because only then can we move forward as a people. we can start to trust each other and stop fighting over a tiny bit of land. We recognise that others have interests in Cyprus and they are not going anywhere until we make them as a whole. You want revolution and blood shed...I want a gradual transition in which people will suffer yes, but not all in one go. It will be painful no matter what but you want to inflict pain that is universal and detrimental to my people as a race. Racism and bigotry all rolled up in one burning ball.

You want to move forward whe it comes to compromising on whats important for the GC's yet when it comes to the TC's you've got 1963 in your holster whenever you run out of arguments.

I would not compare yourself to Bananiot Zan. Bananiot has made a consciense decision to close his eyes on the injustices that your side is proposing we swallow for the sake of a united island. He is focused on uniting this island at any means necessary whereas you shout at the "injustices" your people will face if GC refugees return to their homes.

Your suggestions of respecting these so -called borders your millitary have put up places you nowhere near Bananiots positions.

As Bir says, accept an unfair solution to this prolem and the side that got the short end of the stick will not be able to live with it. Any solution of any such design is doomed to fail.

We've made a move, we got rid of your bogeyman and now have 2 people willing to sit down and negotiate. WHats your excuse gonna be now?

Thank you for confirming my suspicions and predictions DT. Tpap was just a token that you think you are going to fool the world with and stall any chance of compromise.....I can read you like a book and the fact that I coined the phrase "Doing a Denktas" GC style...I mean, why else would Tpaps sons best friend vote against him...You are a bloody joke mate and a transparent one...Shame!!!!! Our hopes for a fair deal shot down again

I hope that the Bananiots of Cyprus shoot down your deceptions instead

[DT.]

you've been at that wacky backy again. You officially do not make any sense anymore. There's nothing much to say to you until you get off this medication and start talking like a normal human being.

[zan]

you've been at that wacky backy again. You officially do not make any sense anymore. There's nothing much to say to you until you get off this medication and start talking like a normal human being.

Oh! Not that old horse again Quite nagging will ya!

We shall see who comes out on top mate...The Bananiots or the DTs.......You still seem to think that the EU and the UN can be fooled yet again......

[DT.]

you've been at that wacky backy again. You officially do not make any sense anymore. There's nothing much to say to you until you get off this medication and start talking like a normal human being.

Oh! Not that old horse again Quite nagging will ya!

We shall see who comes out on top mate...The Bananiots or the DTs.......You still seem to think that the EU and the UN can be fooled yet again......

How come you don't show the same amount of respect to the Bir's of this world since your love for Bananiot has grown so much?

[BirKibrisli]

DT...The more I think about it the more I am convinced that only with Kassoulidis we have a fighting chance of getting out of this quicksand.

Hristofias is already on record for saying that he wouldn't have done things any differently to Tpapa...so what is the point?????

We need an interim solution which will give us enough time and opportunity to build trust and understanding,and hopefully some empathy and compassion for each other. A workable BBF with a strong Central government,where people learn to work and live together without an emphasis on ethnic background...And hopefully sometime down the line we do just the opposite of the recent historical trend of separations,and vote to reunite our beloved country in a civilised,democratic,fair and just way...But I feel obliged to give this warning...If things do not happen rather quickly,the same rot will set in,and those who would rather see us divided will get the opportunity to put the knife in...And we will have to wait for another 5 years at least to find another leader who can move forward....So time is of essence,we must move fast...

[zan]

you've been at that wacky backy again. You officially do not make any sense anymore. There's nothing much to say to you until you get off this medication and start talking like a normal human being.

Oh! Not that old horse again Quite nagging will ya!

We shall see who comes out on top mate...The Bananiots or the DTs.......You still seem to think that the EU and the UN can be fooled yet again......

How come you don't show the same amount of respect to the Bir's of this world since your love for Bananiot has grown so much?

Bananiot is looking at the reality of today, as was the Annan Plan. Bir is a dreamer that wants to revert things back to how they were with a magic wand.......I don't believe magic or putting people through hell once again....We work with what we've got and the shit we created and move on from there for future generations and not to appease and massage old tired bones....

[DT.]

DT...The more I think about it the more I am convinced that only with Kassoulidis we have a fighting chance of getting out of this quicksand.

Hristofias is already on record for saying that he wouldn't have done things any differently to Tpapa...so what is the point?????

We need an interim solution which will give us enough time and opportunity to build trust and understanding,and hopefully some empathy and compassion for each other. A workable BBF with a strong Central government,where people learn to work and live together without an emphasis on ethnic background...And hopefully sometime down the line we do just the opposite of the recent historical trend of separations,and vote to reunite our beloved country in a civilised,democratic,fair and just way...But I feel obliged to give this warning...If things do not happen rather quickly,the same rot will set in,and those who would rather see us divided will get the opportunity to put the knife in...And we will have to wait for another 5 years at least to find another leader who can move forward....So time is of essence,we must move fast...

Moving fast would be the idea. The danger you have is that a trigger happy Talat is anxious to have the negotiations and finish them off asap so as to announce to the world that "we've tried for the last time and failed, now lets move with partition."

This was the reason Papadopoulos would never agree to a timetable, because Talat would be too tempted to let the timetable run its course and declare the talks a failure.

Zan....have a look at Birs post above yours and then re-read your post.

[zan]

DT...The more I think about it the more I am convinced that only with Kassoulidis we have a fighting chance of getting out of this quicksand.

Hristofias is already on record for saying that he wouldn't have done things any differently to Tpapa...so what is the point?????

We need an interim solution which will give us enough time and opportunity to build trust and understanding,and hopefully some empathy and compassion for each other. A workable BBF with a strong Central government,where people learn to work and live together without an emphasis on ethnic background...And hopefully sometime down the line we do just the opposite of the recent historical trend of separations,and vote to reunite our beloved country in a civilised,democratic,fair and just way...But I feel obliged to give this warning...If things do not happen rather quickly,the same rot will set in,and those who would rather see us divided will get the opportunity to put the knife in...And we will have to wait for another 5 years at least to find another leader who can move forward....So time is of essence,we must move fast...

Moving fast would be the idea. The danger you have is that a trigger happy Talat is anxious to have the negotiations and finish them off asap so as to announce to the world that "we've tried for the last time and failed, now lets move with partition."

This was the reason Papadopoulos would never agree to a timetable, because Talat would be too tempted to let the timetable run its course and declare the talks a failure.

Zan....have a look at Birs post above yours and then re-read your post.

I shouldn't be answering this now..I am late and must hit the road but perhaps the words "The more I think about it" from Bir should tell you something about what I said....What was he doing all this time????? Gotta go!!!

[BirKibrisli]

DT...The more I think about it the more I am convinced that only with Kassoulidis we have a fighting chance of getting out of this quicksand.

Hristofias is already on record for saying that he wouldn't have done things any differently to Tpapa...so what is the point?????

We need an interim solution which will give us enough time and opportunity to build trust and understanding,and hopefully some empathy and compassion for each other. A workable BBF with a strong Central government,where people learn to work and live together without an emphasis on ethnic background...And hopefully sometime down the line we do just the opposite of the recent historical trend of separations,and vote to reunite our beloved country in a civilised,democratic,fair and just way...But I feel obliged to give this warning...If things do not happen rather quickly,the same rot will set in,and those who would rather see us divided will get the opportunity to put the knife in...And we will have to wait for another 5 years at least to find another leader who can move forward....So time is of essence,we must move fast...

Moving fast would be the idea. The danger you have is that a trigger happy Talat is anxious to have the negotiations and finish them off asap so as to announce to the world that "we've tried for the last time and failed, now lets move with partition."

This was the reason Papadopoulos would never agree to a timetable, because Talat would be too tempted to let the timetable run its course and declare the talks a failure.

Zan....have a look at Birs post above yours and then re-read your post.

I shouldn't be answering this now..I am late and must hit the road but perhaps the words "The more I think about it" from Bir should tell you something about what I said....What was he doing all this time????? Gotta go!!!

What I was doing ,Zan,was trying to find a sensible way to get us from the status quo to the Unified Republic Of Cyprus where people are not disadvantaged or punished for their ethnic backgrounds...Tpapa was admittedly making things very difficult for me,but now I can see a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel...You know that I believe the status quo is moral,ethical and cultural suicide for our community...And I do see "mindless,unthinking nationalism" as the greatest evil that has ever visited mankind (and womankind too!)...A bit like the CANCER in the topic of this thread..

[Get Real!]

DT...The more I think about it the more I am convinced that only with Kassoulidis we have a fighting chance of getting out of this quicksand.

Hristofias is already on record for saying that he wouldn't have done things any differently to Tpapa...so what is the point?????

We need an interim solution which will give us enough time and opportunity to build trust and understanding,and hopefully some empathy and compassion for each other. A workable BBF with a strong Central government,where people learn to work and live together without an emphasis on ethnic background...And hopefully sometime down the line we do just the opposite of the recent historical trend of separations,and vote to reunite our beloved country in a civilised,democratic,fair and just way...But I feel obliged to give this warning...If things do not happen rather quickly,the same rot will set in,and those who would rather see us divided will get the opportunity to put the knife in...And we will have to wait for another 5 years at least to find another leader who can move forward....So time is of essence,we must move fast...

Moving fast would be the idea. The danger you have is that a trigger happy Talat is anxious to have the negotiations and finish them off asap so as to announce to the world that "we've tried for the last time and failed, now lets move with partition."

This was the reason Papadopoulos would never agree to a timetable, because Talat would be too tempted to let the timetable run its course and declare the talks a failure.

Zan....have a look at Birs post above yours and then re-read your post.

I shouldn't be answering this now..I am late and must hit the road but perhaps the words "The more I think about it" from Bir should tell you something about what I said....What was he doing all this time????? Gotta go!!!

What I was doing ,Zan,was trying to find a sensible way to get us from the status quo to the Unified Republic Of Cyprus where people are not disadvantaged or punished for their ethnic backgrounds...Tpapa was admittedly making things very difficult for me,but now I can see a bit of a light at the end of the tunnel...You know that I believe the status quo is moral,ethical and cultural suicide for our community...And I do see "mindless,unthinking nationalism" as the greatest evil that has ever visited mankind (and womankind too!)...A bit like the CANCER in the topic of this thread..

Your “Unified Republic of Cyprus” sounds good in name but what exactly is it if not a camouflaged variation of partition? Please expand on its nature.