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[74LB]

boomerang

and the choice was?

Hundreds of years ago, empires expanded. Period.
It just seems convenient to use the Ottomans as the starting point in history, whereas we were really talking about the destruction of the RoC.

Hang on a minute...you brought up the peacefull coexistance during the ottoman empire's peacefull expansion...and I asked what was the choice?...and you come up with the above lame excuse?

the british were an empire, but I think you will find it was happier times for the Cypriots when comparing...unless of cource you disagree with this too...

Not me saying it, but the RoC itself.

[Get Real!]

Hundreds of years ago, empires expanded. Period.
It just seems convenient to use the Ottomans as the starting point in history, whereas we were really talking about the destruction of the RoC.

No problems... read all about it:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10627

[Nikitas]

The EU often behave like pimps, they are not to be trusted on national issues. Solidarity works only in the case of the larger EU members. See the difference between EU solidarity in the case of the Spanish Moroccan dispute over that tiny little island and how the EU reacted in the caseof the Imia crisis.

See how the EU treat the Kossovo issue and are prepared to risk a major future war in the Balkans just to satisfy the game plan set by the USA.

To save its face the EU has sent in the EULEX contingent in Kossovo to safeguard the rights of the minorities. Wait and see how these rights are treated.

[purdey]

Do you have a problem with the independance of Kosovo.Why ? were they not a minority in the final solution of the Serbian majority.

[BirKibrisli]

Why ask the GCs to trust Turkey ... something no other nation would do .... when they have destroyed the RoC at the first lame-excuse opportunity.

The RoC with the help of EU, will remove all Turkish influence from Cyprus, once and for all ...... so that we are never put in the vulnerable position of having Turkey as a guarantor again.

Turkey has shown by its actions it should not be trusted.

Once bitten twice shy ....

Because if the GCs do not trust Turkey,TCs will not trust the GCs...If they don't trust the GCs they will insist that Turkish troops stay in Cyprus...Hence the status quo will continue,which suits Turkey down to the ground...

Go ahead,oracle,you are making Turkey's day!

How much do you trust Turkey Bir?

How much I trust Turkey is immaterial,DT...
The fact that America trusts Turkey says it all.
And the fact that the majority of TCs trust Turkey more than they trust the GCs is everything...The GCs do not have the luxury of not trusting Turkey...If we are to find a solution the GCs will have to at least pretend to trust Turkey...Or else we are all the losers in this game..I know the Turks and their mentality very well...Appearances and "face saving" are everything to them...Tell Kassoulidis to employ me as his negotiator with Turkey..I will solve Cyprob in 6 months....

[BirKibrisli]

Why ask the GCs to trust Turkey ... something no other nation would do .... when they have destroyed the RoC at the first lame-excuse opportunity.

The RoC with the help of EU, will remove all Turkish influence from Cyprus, once and for all ...... so that we are never put in the vulnerable position of having Turkey as a guarantor again.

Turkey has shown by its actions it should not be trusted.

Once bitten twice shy ....

Because if the GCs do not trust Turkey,TCs will not trust the GCs...If they don't trust the GCs they will insist that Turkish troops stay in Cyprus...Hence the status quo will continue,which suits Turkey down to the ground...

Go ahead,oracle,you are making Turkey's day!

As I said ... we do not have to capitulate and "trust" our captors.

We have a mighty force in the EU with us now ... and Turkey will have to start doing as it is told ...

So enjoy your "day"

You must be trying to fool us,Oracle...Or you are fooling yourself.
If you think America will let EU bully Turkey in the next 50 years or so,you are delusional...Or worse!

[Oracle]

Why ask the GCs to trust Turkey ... something no other nation would do .... when they have destroyed the RoC at the first lame-excuse opportunity.

The RoC with the help of EU, will remove all Turkish influence from Cyprus, once and for all ...... so that we are never put in the vulnerable position of having Turkey as a guarantor again.

Turkey has shown by its actions it should not be trusted.

Once bitten twice shy ....

Because if the GCs do not trust Turkey,TCs will not trust the GCs...If they don't trust the GCs they will insist that Turkish troops stay in Cyprus...Hence the status quo will continue,which suits Turkey down to the ground...

Go ahead,oracle,you are making Turkey's day!

As I said ... we do not have to capitulate and "trust" our captors.

We have a mighty force in the EU with us now ... and Turkey will have to start doing as it is told ...

So enjoy your "day"

You must be trying to fool us,Oracle...Or you are fooling yourself.
If you think America will let EU bully Turkey in the next 50 years or so,you are delusional...Or worse!

More and more your inherent support for Turkey is slipping through ....

( ..... and do not try and blame this one on me .... you are too long in the tooth to be influenced by me.)

As I explained to you before Bir, I am just looking for flaws in arguments and perhaps teasing out the truth.

[BirKibrisli]

Why ask the GCs to trust Turkey ... something no other nation would do .... when they have destroyed the RoC at the first lame-excuse opportunity.

The RoC with the help of EU, will remove all Turkish influence from Cyprus, once and for all ...... so that we are never put in the vulnerable position of having Turkey as a guarantor again.

Turkey has shown by its actions it should not be trusted.

Once bitten twice shy ....

Because if the GCs do not trust Turkey,TCs will not trust the GCs...If they don't trust the GCs they will insist that Turkish troops stay in Cyprus...Hence the status quo will continue,which suits Turkey down to the ground...

Go ahead,oracle,you are making Turkey's day!

As I said ... we do not have to capitulate and "trust" our captors.

We have a mighty force in the EU with us now ... and Turkey will have to start doing as it is told ...

So enjoy your "day"

You must be trying to fool us,Oracle...Or you are fooling yourself.
If you think America will let EU bully Turkey in the next 50 years or so,you are delusional...Or worse!

More and more your inherent support for Turkey is slipping through ....

( ..... and do not try and blame this one on me .... you are too long in the tooth to be influenced by me.)

As I explained to you before Bir, I am just looking for flaws in arguments and perhaps teasing out the truth.

The truth is ,Oracle,you are just showing us all why we have not managed to solve this problem all these years. Nothing happens by wishful thinking.
Closing your eyes will not make the trnc go away. Putting all your hopes on the EU pressure on Turkey will not make it happen. Events in our region move according to what America wants not what the EU wants. If you think that is "inherent support for Turkey" keep on keeping your head in the sand. Next time you pull it out you might have a hicab on your head...

[-mikkie2-]

"We have a mighty force in the EU with us now ... "

More delusional claptrap. The EU is bending over backwards to accomodate Turkey and it is being done at our expense. The EU is paying lip service to what Cyprus thinks. All the EU wants is for the Cyprus problem to go away and they will do it at the earliest opportunity, again at our expense, if we don't play our cards right this time.

At this moment in time, we have the initiative and that is thanks to the people who voted for anyone but Papadopoulos. We should now be in the driving seat and to give every opportunity to the TC's to work together with us for a Cypriot solution. This is the only way to show who is to blame for the stalemate - Turkey. It is no wonder that the Turkish politicians have not been going round celebrating a Papadopoulos defeat. In fact, their response so far has been rather muted because they were expecting Papadopoulos to go to the 2nd round. I just hope that we don't loose this latest opportunity to move forward.

[74LB]

Hundreds of years ago, empires expanded. Period.
It just seems convenient to use the Ottomans as the starting point in history, whereas we were really talking about the destruction of the RoC.

No problems... read all about it:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=10627

Thanks, just read it - must say, its a pretty one-sided 'UN doc' though.