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[Bananiot]

Couldn't agree more! But, you are probably well aware that here in Cyprus there is a frenzy of paranoia, spread by the government coalition parties, about Britain and the US. I think Turkey is very important for Europe and America and it’s quite natural that the west wants Turkey to evolve into a modern democracy, member of the EU, which will also act as an example to other Muslim countries in a very turbulent area of the world. In the long run, this can only be beneficial for Cyprus too. Thus, we shouldn’t be seen to be standing against the interests of the west and constantly accuse them of working for our downfall. This is plain childish, to say the least.

[Piratis]

Thus, we shouldn’t be seen to be standing against the interests of the west and constantly accuse them of working for our downfall. This is plain childish, to say the least.

Bananiot has once told us that he would prefer if Cyprus was still a British colony. So we know what he wants. Will you allow us to disagree with your position Bananiot? Or do you necessarily have to force on us your minority opinion and make all of us slaves again?

You prefer to bent to be fucked and live a happy life. We prefer to fight against injustice even if that means we get less in the end, at least we are not whores. You have to understand that for some people respect, pride and dignity mean a lot more than they mean for you.

[brother]

Bananiot has once told us that he would prefer if Cyprus was still a British colony. So we know what he wants. Will you allow us to disagree with your position Bananiot? Or do you necessarily have to force on us your minority opinion and make all of us slaves again?

You prefer to bent to be fucked and live a happy life. We prefer to fight against injustice even if that means we get less in the end, at least we are not whores. You have to understand that for some people respect, pride and dignity mean a lot more than they mean for you.








Not exactly the way i would have put it but the point would be the same, self determination is the right of all people and thats us cypriots included and i would have to stand by piratis on this one.

[mehmet]

the elections are not going to change the government. labour will lose some seats to the Conservtives and maybe Michale Howard will be able to present this as a victory for his leadership and maybe his party will give him a second chance.

someone in this post complainbed about ineffective Greek Cypriot voice is in UK compared to blacks, Asians and muslims. Bollocks, bolocks, bollocks.

When Greek Cypriots are treated the same as blacks, Asians and muslims by the police, the courts and by the mental health services then they may have something to complain about. the fact is colour means everything in this country and most Greeks and Turks are white enough to not be noticed.

[Main_Source]

Mehmet, it was me that complained about Greeks in this country not having a bigger voice...but the rest of your post totally twisted what I said.
I said in this country, being recognised ethnic streches only to blacks, asians and muslims. Therefore, when some of these so called representetive bodies for the ethnic community talk about discrimination, they only really talk about blacks, asians and more recently muslims. So what they are also doing is totally ignoring the hardship our parents had to go through when they came to this country...they think its only people with non-white skin that got picked on, thats a load of crap. Even up to a few years ago, having a very foreign sounding name could be just as detremental to you getting a job, compared to the colour of your skin.

There is no representation hardly of the Cypriot community in the media. Look at when Greece won the Euro and how totally mad crazy North London was....thousands of people on the streets throughout North London, traffic jams, people doing traditional dances on the road next to a soundsystem...it was like a mini north london version of the Nottinghill Carnival...but I didnt see no TV crews or anything. On the flipside though, when three Asian people get together, they flippin film it and turn it into a TV programme on BBC2!

and you wanna mention mental health!? lol...well my brother has been waiting for the NHS to give him the appropriate mental health treatment for his OCD for a long time now and they dont look as if they are going to budge while he keeps on looking more unhealthy everytime I see him....so please do your research properly before making your outspoken comments.

[Main_Source]

and another thing, you think Greeks arent noticed being foreign? Well im sick of gettin stopped by the police for stupid reasons and them making a comment about my name. I simply reply that I could read and write it in two languages by the time I was 7, so I dont know whay they are making a big deal out of it...especially when your stopping me outside Bounds Green station, a predominantly ethnic area.

and Muslims, well police seem more and more scared to stop the pakistani/bangladeshi, etc Muslims, because they complain about everything. Look at the muslim girl who went to court to wear the whole body covering vale at school and won the case. Its a joke, part of the reasons school uniforms are put there is to teach students to stick together as a troop...and as far as i've been told, the uniform was good enough for muslim laws....but because this girl was a muslim, the courts bowed down to her.

[mehmet]

main source,

Sorry if you were offended by my comments. Life in UK is not perfect for any community but if you assessed levels of discrimination I still think you would find the more visibly different you were the more you were subject to special treatment. re your brother and the health services, you could make the same statement whatever your ethnicity, its crap for everyone but somehow black people are more likely to be locked up. i don't believe they are predisposed to ill health.

Greeks and Turks aren't as noticed being foreign. Maybe you and I can tell the difference between a Greek and a Turk. Most English people might lump us with Kurds, Kosovans, Italians, you name it. Equally I know many Cypriot's who have no problems at all and who are accepted as British. Some even try to achieve this as they think it is the right thing to do. Personally it's a pain in the arse having to repeat my name on the phone and having to spell it out to people unused to it but I wouldn't say I experience discrimination or that my life has suffered greatly due to being a Turkish Cypriot in UK. And I would like to add that I am proud of my background and refuse to identify myself as British even though I was born here.

[metecyp]

And I would like to add that I am proud of my background and refuse to identify myself as British even though I was born here.

Isn't this odd? You were born in Britian but you don't consider yourself British. What's wrong with saying you're British (since you were born and raised in Britian and your life is in Britian) with Turkish Cypriot background? Does it have to be one or the other?

[Bananiot]

I have never called Piratis names whenever I disagree with him so he does not need to ask me if I permit him to disagree with me. How in heaven could I force on him my cherished minority opinion I simply do not know. Of course, I believe that rather than the mess we are in today I would 1000 times, Cyprus to be still under British rule. At least during the British rule we did not kill each other like animals (even animals do not kill their own kind, so sorry animals).

We seem to be veering off the topic, but I should like to comment on the views expressed about discrimination in Britain. Even when EOKA was at its highest point in the late 50's, Greek Cypriots lived by the thousands in England and all were given a chance to prosper in their new environment, despite the fact that British soldiers and civilians were killed by EOKA. Even 18 year old girls were murdered, simply because they were English, but still, Britain behaved in a civilised way towards the Cypriots that opted to live in England. State discrimination does not exist in Britain and Britain is one of the best countries in the world when it comes to immigrants. That is the truth and if there is discrimination on a personal level (bloody foreigners staff) by individuals, then remember that racist bastards are found everywhere on earth. In some places they have their own way, but not in Britain.

[Main_Source]

Bananiot thats a load of CRAP! Greek Cypriots were always lumped with EOKA in the 1950's and some did receive descrimination...my parents say this a lot and they arent the type to have a chip on there shoulder. If you think the Greeks did not receive descrimination when they first emmigrated here, then you seem to be very ignorant. At the end of the day, the ethnic minorities in this country did as much for it as this country gave back. After the war, this country needed rebuilding and if it wasnt for the ethnic minorites, who knows what it would be like. Its not as if Britain did us a favour for letting us live here, they NEEDED us. Our parents went through a lot of hardship and gave back to this country tenfold. I can agree with Mehmet that the Cypriots now do not receive the same amount of descrimination as Blakc people...but to say they dont recieve descrimination at all is false...i've been on the receiving end of it. Infact, in certain roundabout ways, some derogatory statements are seen as very unpolitically correct towards Black and Asians because they have a differnet colour skin...but the samething said to a ethinc minority of white skin is seen as perfectly ok.

As for someone thinking its weird feeling more Cypriot than British growing up in the UK....well, I dont know about Mehmet (although I think he is in the same boat)...but the area I live in is not very British at all and is predominatly Cypriot. At home we live like Cypriots and any other culture we take in is usually from other ethnic minorities (we you think so much Cypriot people like reggae for example lol...cos a lot of them went to school with Jamaicans). There isnt much British about the way I have been living...growing up in London is all about taking in other ethinc cultures....why you think every 16 year old kid in London seems to talk Jamaican, cos its seen as the 'in-thing'. The Cypriot community here is very tight nit and the cultures are kept to such a value where certaint hings here are more traditional then even in Cyprus (try finding a loaf of koulouri bread in a shop in Cyprus these days...not as easy as you might think)

Its not like in America, where I find that a lot of Greek people there seem to be 'American' first (which isnt even a race but just an amalgamation of settlers and immigrants). I couldnt even believe the so called Greeks in America took offence when George Dalaras told them the truth about George Bush at one of his concerts. The Greeks in America seem like what the Black people here call a 'Bounty' ( a chocolate that is white on the inside and black on the outside)...which in this case would be 'American' on the inside but supposedly Greek on the outside.

Bananiot, do you live in the UK?