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[umit07]

Yeah , Phoenix if you look at the picture you can see that the guns are normal hunting rifles.

[Oracle]

Hi TC, how are you? Thanks for uploading the article, it's always interesting to read about people's personal experiences of the Conflicts that happened in Cyprus...I keep looking at the picture with the women and children in the van, they look so scared and confused...Very sad...

I too was affected by this sad photo ...

But T_C's thread is about glorifying TCs which continued the ongoing oppression of Cyprus.

In true propaganda style, he threw in emotive images to increase the sympathetic response to the photos of the Terrorist Turk-TCs that he is trying to portray as Heroes.

How can anyone expect us to acknowledge these descendants of the invaders, who continue their battles to oppress and eliminate the native population of Cyprus, as heroes?

If they are your heroes, then you are a traitor to Cyprus.

Oracle I was simply commenting on past suffering. If you notice I didn't write about the fighting and the resistance itself (to be honest with you I hadn't heard of this event before), but what I did pick up on (as you did yourself) was the image of the women and children, these people in my eyes represent the suffering of all Cypriots. I mean those women and children could have been GC's during the invasion running away from their village. Innocents caught up in war...

I don't want to comment too much about your views on Turks and TC's, but I will say that even though I can see where you're coming from, I don't think it’s right to pigeon hole all TC's and brand them with the name ‘traitor’. Of course there are those that have always gone against independence and the state, and fought for partition, and there are those who supported those actions, but there are also moderates, people who just want to get on with their lives, who I believe are just stuck in the middle. I mean, if you have one side screaming that you are traitors and another side screaming that you are traitors and that if you join with the other side all that will happen is suffering, suffering and more suffering, then to whom do you turn? To whom do you put your trust in? I don’t think anything can be achieved by alienating a whole community, it happened in the past and I can only hope that it doesn’t happen in the future, that past mistakes will be learned from, but hey that is just my humble opinion….

(I don't think I've ever been accused of being a traitor to Cyprus before, it’s taken me slightly aback, I must admit.. )

Natty ... the only ones I consider as traitors are those that fight against the RoC, wish to perpetuate the division of Cyprus and collude with the Turks / Turkish troops.

Can you think of anything else?

[Oracle]

Yeah , Phoenix if you look at the picture you can see that the guns are normal hunting rifles.

Weapons are weapons.

They kill and maim. We do not need invaders pointing them at us.

That is rather aggressive, don't you agree?

[Oracle]

Yes, people like Sotos and Kifeas for instance at least have reasons to be pissed off since they have left things behind in the north. But the KKK nationalists like Phoenix are the disease of the Cyprus problem and they should be exposed for what they are and flushed out of the government so we can build a better future together. But as usual the GCs will continue being easily duped by these morons, and they'll look at us with suspicion FOREVER.

How many TCs were there to see Denktash resign in the picture Tim posted the other day? Will there be just as much GCs trying to get rid of Papadopulous....I hope so...but we shall see....

T_C you know nothing about me, and what I have lost due to the Turks ... so stick to defending your stupid hypothesis that there were any TC heroes ... because at the moment you have no proof, no reason, no substance for such a claim.

Find a proposal that can withstand scrutiny, that indeed you descendants of the invaders that refused to integrate or assimilate, have ver been heroes for the cause of Cyprus.

Then you can hold your head high ........ and not tip-toe around because of your guilt.

[umit07]

What I'm trying to point out that those guys were ın grave danger in that sort of position with hunting rifles. I guess you don't know much about guns, but you can't play sniper with a hunting rifle. The thing I don't understand Phoenix that how can you not acknowledge the attacks and crimes against TC's on the island during the 60's, at all. You make it out as if GC's had nothing to do with it! What do you want us to do?

quote:

"We do not need invaders pointing them at us"

Now you call TC's defending themselves invaders, you really are a BEACH.

At least we don't have G3 rifles at home all oiled and ready for a attack , if you ever can build up the balls to cross the green line with them.

As long as people like you exist nothing will ever change on the island.

I am again grateful to you for voicing your view without any bullshit, it gives us the power to move on with our lives in the TRNC.

[iceman]

What I'm trying to point out that those guys were ın grave danger in that sort of position with hunting rifles. I guess you don't know much about guns, but you can't play sniper with a hunting rifle. The thing I don't understand Phoenix that how can you not acknowledge the attacks and crimes against TC's on the island during the 60's, at all. You make it out as if GC's had nothing to do with it! What do you want us to do?

quote:

"We do not need invaders pointing them at us"

Now you call TC's defending themselves invaders, you really are a BEACH.

At least we don't have G3 rifles at home all oiled and ready for a attack , if you ever can build up the balls to cross the green line with them.

As long as people like you exist nothing will ever change on the island.

I am again grateful to you for voicing your view without any bullshit, it gives us the power to move on with our lives in the TRNC.

umit
The word is BITCH..

[umit07]

Yeah and "Life is a BEACH"

[Oracle]

What I'm trying to point out that those guys were ın grave danger in that sort of position with hunting rifles. I guess you don't know much about guns, but you can't play sniper with a hunting rifle. The thing I don't understand Phoenix that how can you not acknowledge the attacks and crimes against TC's on the island during the 60's, at all. You make it out as if GC's had nothing to do with it! What do you want us to do?

quote:

"We do not need invaders pointing them at us"

Now you call TC's defending themselves invaders, you really are a BEACH.

At least we don't have G3 rifles at home all oiled and ready for a attack , if you ever can build up the balls to cross the green line with them.

As long as people like you exist nothing will ever change on the island.

I am again grateful to you for voicing your view without any bullshit, it gives us the power to move on with our lives in the TRNC.

Don't play the innocent victim with me, umit.

You invaded our island.

You wanted to eliminate us and found us instead too clever to die quickly.

You refused to integrate and continued your elimination tactics.

We continued defending ourselves.

You must first get into your thick skull, the difference between defence and attack.

The GCs could never be on the attack, because they are in their own county ...... they have not invaded another country and have therefore to eliminate the natives.

On the other hand ....... the Turks-TCs are in an alien country that they have refused to assimilate in, and would rather subdue the natives so that they dominate ...... so they / you are the attackers...

How can they then, also be the heroes of the story.

Stop trying to twist things around to nullify your crimes and life would become very simple for all concerned

You cannot have your cake and eat it ....... You have invaded us ... that is your cake ....... now why do you also want to be considered heroes?

That is just plain greedy.

[shahmaran]

Lefke was defended by those HEROES for a while until they had to surrender to the overwhelming attacks of the GREEK and GC soldiers. Many men were arrested, taken to the camps and tortured and while the rest returned from the verge of a mass execution, some of these prisoners were the members of my family and other relatives died in Lefke from the bombings.

Even today you are most welcome to pop over here and see the damage the bombings and bullets have done as many buildings from the day are untouched on the exterior, it is a good reminder of what was to be discovered once the GREEK's and the GC's fled the place in a hurry, mass graves were found on the road of Camlikoy already dug and prepared for the people of Lefke.

Lefke was not in the initial plan of invasion and the Turkish army were informed of the fact that it was an almost entirely Turkish village through the letters sent to the leaders by some of the lawyers in my family. This is what a close call Lefke went through, the people here believe that 1 more day would have been enough to turn Lefke into another Atlilar or Sandallar atrocity.

Turkey literally saved our grandparents, no one can argue otherwise, specially not you Phoenix.

This is the reason your views are just wank Phoenix, you are nothing but a blind, arrogant and racist disgrace, and you will never be able to pull your head out of your arse and see that the Turks alone were FAR from causing all the trouble on this island yet most people have already moved on, i suggest you try do the same.

The fact that a scientist can also be so irrational can only be explained by the fact that you are damaged goods, if so, you seriously need help, because contrary to your claims, you are anything BUT good for the people of Cyprus yet you have the audacity to blame us for being traitors, fuck you!

[bilako22]

of course the Turks can have their cake and eat it . Look at Izmir and Instanbul where the Turks removed the ancient Greeks. It is happening in Cyprus as well.