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[umit07]

miltiades, we all want things! A Settlement is all about compromise you and I might not like it for different reasons but it is a would be a way foward. When it comes to your sense of we are all just " Cypriot " that ain't gonna happen suddenly if it ever does. What TC's want are solid measures that make sure that we are not assimilated in any way, for this we need political power whether you like it or not we will never be a minority group in the RoC! If this you cannot give, what else do yo propose other than the "we are in the EU, everything is will be OK" .

[T_C]

All I want is for GCs to realise what their nationalists were/are capable of. Without the nationalists exposed there is NO point in uniting since we will only end up being ruled by them!!! It's not apologies we're after...can't they just accept what these people did and put it right for us and themselves? Isn't that an easier way to get the north back? Trying to convince the TCs that it was all their fault isn't really the best way to go about it imo....and it has the complete opposite effect....

It's not even the GCs fault, but when they defend these people they almost make it their fault. I don't even know why they do it, since accepting what their nationalists did wouldn't even effect their cause, how can one set of ethnic cleansing justify another? It doesn't!!! Unfortunately the nationalists seem to have most GCs wrapped round their fingers and the GCs spend most of their time defending these idiots. Why? Do they think that if the truth comes out it will in some way justify the murders and ethnic cleansing of GCs from the north? I hope this is it rather than the "they just don't give a shit" that I know certain members feel.....

I don't know how some of them can be so inconsiderate considering we suffered exactly what they did.

[zan]

All I want is for GCs to realise what their nationalists were/are capable of. Without the nationalists exposed there is NO point in uniting since we will only end up being ruled by them!!! It's not apologies we're after...can't they just accept what these people did and put it right for us and themselves? Isn't that an easier way to get the north back? Trying to convince the TCs that it was all their fault isn't really the best way to go about it imo....and it has the complete opposite effect....

It's not even the GCs fault, but when they defend these people they almost make it their fault. I don't even know why they do it, since accepting what their nationalists did wouldn't even effect their cause, how can one set of ethnic cleansing justify another? It doesn't!!! Unfortunately the nationalists seem to have most GCs wrapped round their fingers and the GCs spend most of their time defending these idiots. Why? Do they think that if the truth comes out it will in some way justify the murders and ethnic cleansing of GCs from the north? I hope this is it rather than the "they just don't give a shit" that I know certain members feel.....

I don't know how some of them can be so inconsiderate considering we suffered exactly what they did.

The recognition of the "RoC' is the reason T_C...If they accept what has happened then they also have to accept that the recognition of the "RoC" was also illegal.

[iceman]

All I want is for GCs to realise what their nationalists were/are capable of. Without the nationalists exposed there is NO point in uniting since we will only end up being ruled by them!!! It's not apologies we're after...can't they just accept what these people did and put it right for us and themselves? Isn't that an easier way to get the north back? Trying to convince the TCs that it was all their fault isn't really the best way to go about it imo....and it has the complete opposite effect....

It's not even the GCs fault, but when they defend these people they almost make it their fault. I don't even know why they do it, since accepting what their nationalists did wouldn't even effect their cause, how can one set of ethnic cleansing justify another? It doesn't!!! Unfortunately the nationalists seem to have most GCs wrapped round their fingers and the GCs spend most of their time defending these idiots. Why? Do they think that if the truth comes out it will in some way justify the murders and ethnic cleansing of GCs from the north? I hope this is it rather than the "they just don't give a shit" that I know certain members feel.....

I don't know how some of them can be so inconsiderate considering we suffered exactly what they did.

I fully agree with your above comment T_C....BUT you must also acknowledge the capabilities of our (TC) extreme nationalists....They to must be exposed and dealt with...

[miltiades]

All I want is for GCs to realise what their nationalists were/are capable of. Without the nationalists exposed there is NO point in uniting since we will only end up being ruled by them!!! It's not apologies we're after...can't they just accept what these people did and put it right for us and themselves? Isn't that an easier way to get the north back? Trying to convince the TCs that it was all their fault isn't really the best way to go about it imo....and it has the complete opposite effect....

It's not even the GCs fault, but when they defend these people they almost make it their fault. I don't even know why they do it, since accepting what their nationalists did wouldn't even effect their cause, how can one set of ethnic cleansing justify another? It doesn't!!! Unfortunately the nationalists seem to have most GCs wrapped round their fingers and the GCs spend most of their time defending these idiots. Why? Do they think that if the truth comes out it will in some way justify the murders and ethnic cleansing of GCs from the north? I hope this is it rather than the "they just don't give a shit" that I know certain members feel.....

I don't know how some of them can be so inconsiderate considering we suffered exactly what they did.

The recognition of the "RoC' is the reason T_C...If they accept what has happened then they also have to accept that the recognition of the "RoC" was also illegal.

Zan , which International legislative body found the ROC as illegal.
I presume you respect International bodies , as in the UN , EU , ECHR ,
The Commonwealth and of course each and every nation on earth , that accepts the ROC Passports as legal documents.
Let us hear your your sources .

[zan]

All I want is for GCs to realise what their nationalists were/are capable of. Without the nationalists exposed there is NO point in uniting since we will only end up being ruled by them!!! It's not apologies we're after...can't they just accept what these people did and put it right for us and themselves? Isn't that an easier way to get the north back? Trying to convince the TCs that it was all their fault isn't really the best way to go about it imo....and it has the complete opposite effect....

It's not even the GCs fault, but when they defend these people they almost make it their fault. I don't even know why they do it, since accepting what their nationalists did wouldn't even effect their cause, how can one set of ethnic cleansing justify another? It doesn't!!! Unfortunately the nationalists seem to have most GCs wrapped round their fingers and the GCs spend most of their time defending these idiots. Why? Do they think that if the truth comes out it will in some way justify the murders and ethnic cleansing of GCs from the north? I hope this is it rather than the "they just don't give a shit" that I know certain members feel.....

I don't know how some of them can be so inconsiderate considering we suffered exactly what they did.

The recognition of the "RoC' is the reason T_C...If they accept what has happened then they also have to accept that the recognition of the "RoC" was also illegal.

Zan , which International legislative body found the ROC as illegal.
I presume you respect International bodies , as in the UN , EU , ECHR ,
The Commonwealth and of course each and every nation on earth , that accepts the ROC Passports as legal documents.
Let us hear your your sources .

I have never denied these bodies....What I have said is that they made a mistake and that mistake should be put right.....It is you that is denying my rights to correct past mistakes...Are you telling me that these bodies have never made mistakes and that the law cannot be ever proved to be wrong...I will not accept a fait accompli Mltiades..You can take it in any orifice you like but I will fight injustice where ever I see it and especially as it is so personal....I remember a little rant you had about traffic wardens a while back......Is what they do legal or illegal...I think it is you parking where you shouldn't that is the problem but you gave them grief and called them unspeakable names for doing their job...Seems like the only law you like is the Miltiades law.......Not going to happen mate.....

[Natty]

Hi TC, how are you? Thanks for uploading the article, it's always interesting to read about people's personal experiences of the Conflicts that happened in Cyprus...I keep looking at the picture with the women and children in the van, they look so scared and confused...Very sad...

I too was affected by this sad photo ...

But T_C's thread is about glorifying TCs which continued the ongoing oppression of Cyprus.

In true propaganda style, he threw in emotive images to increase the sympathetic response to the photos of the Terrorist Turk-TCs that he is trying to portray as Heroes.

How can anyone expect us to acknowledge these descendants of the invaders, who continue their battles to oppress and eliminate the native population of Cyprus, as heroes?

If they are your heroes, then you are a traitor to Cyprus.

Oracle I was simply commenting on past suffering. If you notice I didn't write about the fighting and the resistance itself (to be honest with you I hadn't heard of this event before), but what I did pick up on (as you did yourself) was the image of the women and children, these people in my eyes represent the suffering of all Cypriots. I mean those women and children could have been GC's during the invasion running away from their village. Innocents caught up in war...

I don't want to comment too much about your views on Turks and TC's, but I will say that even though I can see where you're coming from, I don't think it’s right to pigeon hole all TC's and brand them with the name ‘traitor’. Of course there are those that have always gone against independence and the state, and fought for partition, and there are those who supported those actions, but there are also moderates, people who just want to get on with their lives, who I believe are just stuck in the middle. I mean, if you have one side screaming that you are traitors and another side screaming that you are traitors and that if you join with the other side all that will happen is suffering, suffering and more suffering, then to whom do you turn? To whom do you put your trust in? I don’t think anything can be achieved by alienating a whole community, it happened in the past and I can only hope that it doesn’t happen in the future, that past mistakes will be learned from, but hey that is just my humble opinion….

(I don't think I've ever been accused of being a traitor to Cyprus before, it’s taken me slightly aback, I must admit.. )

Natty ... the only ones I consider as traitors are those that fight against the RoC, wish to perpetuate the division of Cyprus and collude with the Turks / Turkish troops.

Can you think of anything else?

Fair enough, but all I'm saying is that not every TC fall's into that category. Alienating a whole community I believe is not the way forward..

Anyway, how are things at Dhelphi? Have you made any sensational predictions lately?

[Natty]

What would you like darling? A Greek coffee, a Turkish coffee or a Cypriot coffee?

love this signature...so true

Thanks replusewarrior, it was my grandmother actually that said it a while back; I remembered it when I came to write my signature and I just had to use it. She definitely has a good sense of humour, that’s for sure!

I’m trying to remember what I eventually chose, I think I may have gone for something a bit different and exotic and chosen the Turkish coffee that day, it’s nice to give ‘new’ things a try, don’t you think?

...I remember as a young boy looking forward everday in the summer, taking coffee at a cafe in the village next to mine. They served Turkish coffee, and it was served with the usual stuff, watermelon, cheese, olives and nuts, with water on the side. In our cafe, the one closest to my home it was Cypriot exclusively, and in the big cafe it was Greek.

many argue they are all the same, but it is no coincidence that they taste differently. we are lucky, you and me, to know this; your grandmother is very wise because she knows the difference, and she is able to make all three.

Oh yes my Grandmother is a very wise women, and she can certainly make all three to the highest of standards. In fact is she were to move to either Greece, Turkey or Cyprus tomorrow she would be able to 'slot in’ perfectly. All she'd have to do is simply charm the locals with her skill at making whatever coffee to fit whatever culture. And charm them she would as they would not believe that she is able to capture the flavour of their culture so well. I really feel privileged to have experienced the different and distinct flavours of each coffee, as I'm sure you do yourself...

[Oracle]

Hi TC, how are you? Thanks for uploading the article, it's always interesting to read about people's personal experiences of the Conflicts that happened in Cyprus...I keep looking at the picture with the women and children in the van, they look so scared and confused...Very sad...

I too was affected by this sad photo ...

But T_C's thread is about glorifying TCs which continued the ongoing oppression of Cyprus.

In true propaganda style, he threw in emotive images to increase the sympathetic response to the photos of the Terrorist Turk-TCs that he is trying to portray as Heroes.

How can anyone expect us to acknowledge these descendants of the invaders, who continue their battles to oppress and eliminate the native population of Cyprus, as heroes?

If they are your heroes, then you are a traitor to Cyprus.

Oracle I was simply commenting on past suffering. If you notice I didn't write about the fighting and the resistance itself (to be honest with you I hadn't heard of this event before), but what I did pick up on (as you did yourself) was the image of the women and children, these people in my eyes represent the suffering of all Cypriots. I mean those women and children could have been GC's during the invasion running away from their village. Innocents caught up in war...

I don't want to comment too much about your views on Turks and TC's, but I will say that even though I can see where you're coming from, I don't think it’s right to pigeon hole all TC's and brand them with the name ‘traitor’. Of course there are those that have always gone against independence and the state, and fought for partition, and there are those who supported those actions, but there are also moderates, people who just want to get on with their lives, who I believe are just stuck in the middle. I mean, if you have one side screaming that you are traitors and another side screaming that you are traitors and that if you join with the other side all that will happen is suffering, suffering and more suffering, then to whom do you turn? To whom do you put your trust in? I don’t think anything can be achieved by alienating a whole community, it happened in the past and I can only hope that it doesn’t happen in the future, that past mistakes will be learned from, but hey that is just my humble opinion….

(I don't think I've ever been accused of being a traitor to Cyprus before, it’s taken me slightly aback, I must admit.. )

Natty ... the only ones I consider as traitors are those that fight against the RoC, wish to perpetuate the division of Cyprus and collude with the Turks / Turkish troops.

Can you think of anything else?

Fair enough, but all I'm saying is that not every TC fall's into that category. Alienating a whole community I believe is not the way forward..

Anyway, how are things at Dhelphi? Have you made any sensational predictions lately?

Natty I do not place all the TCs in that category only the ones that fulfil those criteria ... of course there may be some GCs who also fall into these states ... I am not saying anything new here ... it's a plain and simple usual way to define a traitor ... I know it is not PC to mention though


As for perspicacious predictions from the Pythia ...

I perceive President Papadopoulos will perform with panache, his panacea pampering our people perennially.

[Natty]

Hi TC, how are you? Thanks for uploading the article, it's always interesting to read about people's personal experiences of the Conflicts that happened in Cyprus...I keep looking at the picture with the women and children in the van, they look so scared and confused...Very sad...

I too was affected by this sad photo ...

But T_C's thread is about glorifying TCs which continued the ongoing oppression of Cyprus.

In true propaganda style, he threw in emotive images to increase the sympathetic response to the photos of the Terrorist Turk-TCs that he is trying to portray as Heroes.

How can anyone expect us to acknowledge these descendants of the invaders, who continue their battles to oppress and eliminate the native population of Cyprus, as heroes?

If they are your heroes, then you are a traitor to Cyprus.

Oracle I was simply commenting on past suffering. If you notice I didn't write about the fighting and the resistance itself (to be honest with you I hadn't heard of this event before), but what I did pick up on (as you did yourself) was the image of the women and children, these people in my eyes represent the suffering of all Cypriots. I mean those women and children could have been GC's during the invasion running away from their village. Innocents caught up in war...

I don't want to comment too much about your views on Turks and TC's, but I will say that even though I can see where you're coming from, I don't think it’s right to pigeon hole all TC's and brand them with the name ‘traitor’. Of course there are those that have always gone against independence and the state, and fought for partition, and there are those who supported those actions, but there are also moderates, people who just want to get on with their lives, who I believe are just stuck in the middle. I mean, if you have one side screaming that you are traitors and another side screaming that you are traitors and that if you join with the other side all that will happen is suffering, suffering and more suffering, then to whom do you turn? To whom do you put your trust in? I don’t think anything can be achieved by alienating a whole community, it happened in the past and I can only hope that it doesn’t happen in the future, that past mistakes will be learned from, but hey that is just my humble opinion….

(I don't think I've ever been accused of being a traitor to Cyprus before, it’s taken me slightly aback, I must admit.. )

Natty ... the only ones I consider as traitors are those that fight against the RoC, wish to perpetuate the division of Cyprus and collude with the Turks / Turkish troops.

Can you think of anything else?

Fair enough, but all I'm saying is that not every TC fall's into that category. Alienating a whole community I believe is not the way forward..

Anyway, how are things at Dhelphi? Have you made any sensational predictions lately?

Natty I do not place all the TCs in that category only the ones that fulfil those criteria ... of course there may be some GCs who also fall into these states ... I am not saying anything new here ... it's a plain and simple usual way to define a traitor ... I know it is not PC to mention though


As for perspicacious predictions from the Pythia ...

I perceive President Papadopoulos will perform with panache, his panacea pampering our people perennially.

Hi Oracle, glad to hear it, although you may have to clarify that more to other forum members, because sometimes it really does seem like you speak of all TC when you brandy the 'T' word around...

What’s this, oh great and powerful Oracle?? Were you having a bad week?? It seems that your prediction about Papadopoulos was incorrect...

However, I'm willing to just ignore that (everybody has ‘dodgy’ days). So what say you for round two? Who this time will perform with Panache?

(Oh I also need your advice, I have a box of Loukoumia in front of me, and although I'm only planning on eating a few, I fear that greed will overcome me and that that particular plan will just go out of the window. So I need you to look into the future oh great one and tell me what you see, because if it's a vision of me lying on the sofa, icing sugar galore, having put on about five stone in the space of ten minutes, I need to know pronto so I can discard of those darn Loukoumia ASAP! )