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[humanist]

Umit you know what .... I have found that when TC's run out of good ideas and debates they turn to enosis. I am not going to buy into that. Enosis was the dream of few fascists it did not happen and was burried very quickly.

Your community on the other hand supports Turkeys and is giving your country and my country to Turkey each and evry day and your community is becoming extinct to the very people your regime supports.

Go on the attack all you like Umit.... I have heard it all before (am not a humanist because I want a unified Cyprus where all Cypriots have equal access ato their country and equal rights). How many times have you spoken about a unified country on this forum and how many times have I? So if you think I will allow that last coment to even touch a part of my soul it ain't gonna happen. How many times have you recognised the ills that happened to either community and how many times have I? How many times have you spoken against bad decisions of your leader and how many have I?

Why am I selfish about wanting what is rightfully mine? How many times have I said on this very forum I have no problems with TC's getting their homes and properties back and affording us the same rights?

If you make coments liek that qualify them.

Umit do me a favour and go find the thread of your first posts where you said your family lives in a greek speaking Cypriot's home and see my response about re-housing etc, then come back and say I do not think of others and especially the speaking Cypriot community, look at my posts around the thread of the church making sugestion to give land to re-house TC's.

[Muzzy70]

Humanist, you've got it all wrong pal. The problem for the TC's is not with Turkey for at the end of the day she provides the TC's with the psychological safety net of security and is the only country that is keeping that community alive. I have an allegiance as a TC to the TRNC and not the RoC which since 1963 has been an ethnically homogenous state led by an ethnically homogenous government. Do not then have the brassneck to say that we 'rebelled' against the RoC. The London-Zurich agreements were very favourable to us hence there was no reason for us to rebel. You know as well as I do that the Cyprus problem did not begin in 1974 and that Maka was told to agree or face partition, but we got to that point because of Greek Cypriot nationalism and the clear desire of your community to unite with Greece. It was not simply a case of a 'few fascists'. Do you seriously think that the TC's would simply accept Enosis and suffer the fate of their counterparts in the Aegean ? At the end of the day and in simple terms the present situation in Cyprus stems from the GC desire to unite with Greece and TC attempts to prevent this. The RoC could have worked had your leaders not been deluded into thinking that Enosis would be achievable regardless of the cost. You've got to start looking at yourselves instead of always blaming others (Turkey, foreign interference, the CIA, Kissinger etc,etc ,etc) before you will be in a position of psychological maturity for your community to progress and re-unite with us. It would appear that Christofias has seen the light as he knows full well what the alternative will be, permanent partition and the eventual recognition of the TRNC by some states (like Kosovo). Wake up, don't patronise us, regard us as Cypriots and then we might just get somewhere.

'Remove your life belt and everything will be allright.'

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

The problem for the TC's is not with Turkey for at the end of the day she provides the TC's with the psychological safety net of security and is the only country that is keeping that community alive.

Funny how so many Turkish Cypriots have left Cyprus since Turkey's occupation then. End of the day, the isolation of the north of Cyprus, were most Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus reside, is the fault of Turkey who wanted the island split in two way back in the 1950's

I have an allegiance as a TC to the TRNC and not the RoC which since 1963 has been an ethnically homogenous state led by an ethnically homogenous government. Do not then have the brassneck to say that we 'rebelled' against the RoC.

Simple fact, the London Zurich agreements were undemocratic to say the least. They were typical post-colonial laws which Britain often put in place when leaving one of its colonies. Turkish Cypriots couldnt accept that each Cypriot should have the same rights and wanted to have their ethnic benefits kept. After 300 odd years of colonialism by the Turks to which the Greek Christian majority was taxed into poverty, its common sense that the indigenous Greek Cypriots wouldnt want to see themselves as second class citizens once again.

The London-Zurich agreements were very favourable to us hence there was no reason for us to rebel. You know as well as I do that the Cyprus problem did not begin in 1974 and that Maka was told to agree or face partition, but we got to that point because of Greek Cypriot nationalism and the clear desire of your community to unite with Greece.

Without Greek Cypriot nationalism we would still be under colonial rule. You cannot accept the fact that Cyprus is a predominantlyGreek island in its culture and that the small Turkish heritage on the island, like the small Latin heritage, are remnants for foreign colonialism - the same as other islands in Greece. Muzzy, a typical arrogant Turk; you are telling us that Greek Cypriots should have accepted forein domination against their will!

. It was not simply a case of a 'few fascists'. Do you seriously think that the TC's would simply accept Enosis and suffer the fate of their counterparts in the Aegean ?

At the point in 1974 of the Turkish invasion - it WAS literally a 'few fascists'. Before Turkey began their invasion of rape and murder, there was no Turkish Cypriot killed by Greek Cypriots in the few years before then. Turkish Cypriots often began the trouble to push for the excuse of partition, then you have the nerve to say that Turkey was protecting Turkish Cypriots. Besdies, in 1974, an overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots were against union with Greece, along with their leader, so what point in team are you refering to exactly in the piece that I have quoted from you above??

At the end of the day and in simple terms the present situation in Cyprus stems from the GC desire to unite with Greece and TC attempts to prevent this.

So we are playing the innocent Turkish Cypriot card again are we? You are not going to mention the fact that Turkish Cypriot STARTED the violence between the two communities or the fact that when Turkey invaded, Greek Cypriots didnt want union with Greece either. Do you understand what I am trying to say or are you being ignorant on purpouse??

The RoC could have worked had your leaders not been deluded into thinking that Enosis would be achievable regardless of the cost.

Or it would have worked had Turkish Cypriots wanted to live in a fair and democratic constitution, not a racist one where one community had benefits over the other.

You've got to start looking at yourselves instead of always blaming others (Turkey, foreign interference, the CIA, Kissinger etc,etc ,etc) before you will be in a position of psychological maturity for your community to progress and re-unite with us.

The evidence of foreign intervetion in Cyprus is there and so is the recognition of mistakes. Its just that Turks like you dont have a grasp of history OR reality and basically get things wrong when refering to the past. You also expect to live in the world of the Ottoman Empire where people who were once your subjects are still living as second class citizens....and any anti-fascist-Turkish attempt to do so is manipulated as a crime.

It would appear that Christofias has seen the light as he knows full well what the alternative will be, permanent partition and the eventual recognition of the TRNC by some states (like Kosovo). Wake up, don't patronise us, regard us as Cypriots and then we might just get somewhere.

I cannot and will not regard people who would prefer the ethnic cleansing of Cypriots...as Cypriots themselves.

[Bananiot]

Muzzy, I must admit I agree with most of what you wrote in your last post. There is just one thing. The Turkish Cypriot nationalists were quick to exploit the craving for enosis of the Greek Cypriots. I think the actions of the Greek Cypriots were such that forced even the most progressive Turkish Cypriots to seek the warmth and secure embrace of those that offered them protection, ie TMT who had one aim only, to partition Cyprus. I believe that we gave them the means to strive for their cause with our ridiculous attempt to go back on our signature and worse, the murdering of innocent Turkish Cypriots whom we saw as our perpetual enemy. Had we behaved in a more responsible manner there is no way we would end up in this predicament. Sadly, the Greek Cypriot side shoulders most of the blame.

[Oracle]

Muzzy, I must admit I agree with most of what you wrote in your last post. There is just one thing. The Turkish Cypriot nationalists were quick to exploit the craving for enosis of the Greek Cypriots. I think the actions of the Greek Cypriots were such that forced even the most progressive Turkish Cypriots to seek the warmth and secure embrace of those that offered them protection, ie TMT who had one aim only, to partition Cyprus. I believe that we gave them the means to strive for their cause with our ridiculous attempt to go back on our signature and worse, the murdering of innocent Turkish Cypriots whom we saw as our perpetual enemy. Had we behaved in a more responsible manner there is no way we would end up in this predicament. Sadly, the Greek Cypriot side shoulders most of the blame.

What a Class A dodderer. Deplorable male menopausal sentimental claptrap twaddle.

Embarrassing if not downright outdated useless junk. Flagrant hobnobbing.

Bananiot can you offer anything in the way of logic

[Bananiot]

Remember, how you found comfort (under the bed) in 1964 when napalms were exploding all over the place? Of course then you mattered more than the stupid Turks who were only sent to meet their creator a moment earlier by the Greek bullets. We were doing them a favour.

[Oracle]

Remember, how you found comfort (under the bed) in 1964 when napalms were exploding all over the place? Of course then you mattered more than the stupid Turks who were only sent to meet their creator a moment earlier by the Greek bullets. We were doing them a favour.

Bananiot don't act foolish, trying to justify your sensationalist outburst by bringing up something I discussed with Zan ages ago.

I never went under the bed, you do make stuff up. I was 5 years old and I dodged a bomb-dropping/bullet firing plane when I was caught on my own and dived into the ditch by the road (which I pass daily now).

There were many other scary moments (though none on my own).

What exactly is your point for expounding sentimental claptrap?

Even I seek a clear concise fair solution for Cyprus whereas; what do you do, suck up endlessly with diatribe!

What am I supposed to do now, say they can have half my country because some of them may have got injured or killed when they were attempting their failed division of my country from even then?

Reward them now, because all their attempts prior to 1974 failed, and they sustained some casualties along the way?

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

Muzzy, I must admit I agree with most of what you wrote in your last post. There is just one thing. The Turkish Cypriot nationalists were quick to exploit the craving for enosis of the Greek Cypriots. I think the actions of the Greek Cypriots were such that forced even the most progressive Turkish Cypriots to seek the warmth and secure embrace of those that offered them protection, ie TMT who had one aim only, to partition Cyprus. I believe that we gave them the means to strive for their cause with our ridiculous attempt to go back on our signature and worse, the murdering of innocent Turkish Cypriots whom we saw as our perpetual enemy. Had we behaved in a more responsible manner there is no way we would end up in this predicament. Sadly, the Greek Cypriot side shoulders most of the blame.

Who is 'WE' Bananiot. Your not Greek Cypriot, so what do you mean. By the way. when you say 'we', do you mean a whole nation? Every single citizen or most individuals of a community. Again Bananiot, you do not come accross as very intelligent.

[miltiades]

Muzzy70 wrote :

""""Wake up, don't patronise us, regard us as Cypriots and then we might just get somewhere. ""
Muzzy how on earth do you expect ME to regard you as a Cypriot when clearly your avatar conveys the exact opposite !!
Why not adopt an avatar that portrays your Cypriotness rather than one that screams out ,"" I am not a Cypriot I'm a foreigner."" Don't kid your your self , that flag is that of a foreign nation NOT CYPRUS , you have no legitimate claim to demand that we , the G/Cs and the T/Cs should accept you as a Cypriot .
You are , I believe an intelligent guy and I'm certain that you will understand the point that I'm making.
If my avatar contained the Greek flag would you accept me as a Cypriot !!!

[Rebel.Without.A.Pause]

Why pick a flag at all? He couldve picked a picture of the island or an avatar that has nothing to do with any country yet he picks the Turkish flag and expects to be thought of as Cypriot. He's another overtly nationalistic Turk that gets a stiffy when they see the Turkish flag.

He's using the Turkish flag and going around telling people he's Cypriot in order to try and convey that Cyprus is a culturally Turkish island which it isnt.
This guy is from the ATCA website - that says it all. Have you seen the laughable Nazi crap written on there lately?? lol