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Postby Eliko » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:30 pm

miltiades wrote:Tess , I think you ought to refresh your memory a little . I have not included the West's efforts in eradicating animal cruelty but I'm certain you must be aware of such efforts.
Western scientific and technological achievements

A feature of Western culture is its focus on science and technology, and its ability to generate new processes, materials and material artifacts.

It was the West that first developed steam power and adapted its use into factories, and for the generation of electrical power. The Otto and the Diesel internal combustion engines are products whose genesis and early development were in the West. Nuclear power stations are derived from the first atomic pile in Chicago (1942). The electrical dynamo, transformer, electric motor, and electric light, and indeed most of the familiar electrical appliances, were inventions of the West.

Communication devices and systems including the telegraph, the telephone, radio, television, communication and navigation satellites, mobile phone, and the Internet were all invented by Westerners. The pencil, ballpoint pen, CRT, LCD, LED, photograph, photocopier, laser printer, ink jet printer and plasma display screen were also invented in the West.

Furthermore, ubiquitous materials including concrete, aluminum, clear glass, synthetic rubber, synthetic diamond and the plastics polyethylene, polypropylene, PVC and polystyrene were invented in the West. Iron and steel ships, bridges and skyscrapers first appeared in the West. Nitrogen fixation and petrochemicals were invented by Westerners. Most of the elements, as well as the current notion of elements themselves were created in the West.

The transistor, integrated circuit, memory chip, and computer were all first seen in the West. The ship's chronometer, the screw propeller, the locomotive, bicycle, automobile, and aeroplane were all invented in the West. Eyeglasses, the telescope, the microscope and electron microscope, all the varieties of chromatography, protein and DNA sequencing, computerised tomography, NMR, x-rays, and light, ultraviolet and infrared spectroscopy, were all first developed and applied in Western laboratories, hospitals and factories.

In medicine, vaccination, anesthesia, MRI, hormonal contraception, and all the pure antibiotics were created in the West. The method of preventing Rh disease, the treatment of diabetes, and the germ theory of disease were discovered by Westerners. The eradication of that ancient scourge, smallpox, was led by a Westerner, Donald Henderson. Radiography, Computed tomography, Positron emission tomography and Medical ultrasonography are important diagnostic tools developed in the West. So were the stethoscope, electrocardiograph, and the endoscope. Vitamins, hormonal contraception, hormones, insulin, Beta blockers and ACE inhibitors, along with a host of other medically proven drugs were first utilised to treat disease in the West. The double-blind study and evidence-based medicine are critical scientific techniques widely used in the West for medical purposes.

In mathematics, calculus, statistics, logic, vector, tensor and complex analysis, group theory and topology were developed by Westerners. In biology, evolution, chromosomes, DNA, genetics and the methods of molecular biology are creatures of the West. In physics, the science of mechanics and quantum mechanics, relativity, thermodynamics, and statistical mechanics were all discovered by Westerners. The atom, nucleus, electron, neutron and proton were all unveiled by Westerners.

Westerners are also known for their explorations and adventures of the globe and space. The first expedition to circumnavigate the Earth was by Westerners, as well as the first to set foot on the Poles, the first human in space and the first human to orbit the Earth and the first to land on the moon. The landing of robots on Mars and on an asteroid, and the Voyager explorations of the outer planets were all achievements of Westerners.


There is one other significant Western achievement which I feel deserves a mention (since we are expounding the virtues of Western influences and invention) lest we should neglect to commit it to our memories

For the 'FIRST' time in the history of mankind, two of those among the world's leading statesmen, appeared 'Shoulder to Shoulder' on world television and deliberately lied (Invented false stories etc) to the people they supposedly represent (and the world in general) in order to cover up their evil intent on the mass slaughter of innocents and the control of their natural resources.

No other two people could match THAT recorded achievement, regardless of their position on the scale of civilization's expected codes of moral conduct, I doubt if it will ever be surpassed.

In my humble opinion of course. :wink:
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Postby Eliko » Thu Feb 14, 2008 2:55 pm

miltiades wrote: Westerners are also known for their explorations and adventures of the globe and space. The first expedition to circumnavigate the Earth was by Westerners, as well as the first to set foot on the Poles, the first human in space and the first human to orbit the Earth and the first to land on the moon. The landing of robots on Mars and on an asteroid, and the Voyager explorations of the outer planets were all achievements of Westerners.





Considering the content of the above and providing Western technology prevails, perhaps my final observation MAY someday be challenged by those who conquer space (if such an achievement ever takes place), other than that, let the record stand. :wink:
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Postby shahmaran » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:28 pm

First people in space were the Russians, and many of the world famous scientist are not all from the West but also from the East.

Never the less none of this justifies the amount of atrocities the West has committed, do you want to list those as well Miltiades?

Maybe you can start with the British Empire, then list each Colonialist and their atrocities, move on to the World Wars and finally what the US has been doing during its tiny history. Of course this is just a very swift summary of the West, I'm sure there are many more important parts in history where the West murdered MILLIONS in order to become "The West". WMD's and some of the most efficient weapons that the entire terrorist world uses are also just some of their wonderful inventions. Most of the conflicts around the globe today are also the doings of the West.

Basically the west thrives from poverty and conflicts, or it would not exist!

But of course none of this matters.

This is the WEST we are talking about here, and there goes another thread :roll:
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Postby miltiades » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:42 pm

Suffice to say that had it not been for the West , the third world people would not have anywhere to go to in order to improve their lot !!!!
LONG MAY THE WEST FLOURISH AND LONG MAY THE GREAT POWER OF THE USA CONTINUE !!
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Postby pantheman » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:53 pm

shahmaran wrote:First people in space were the Russians, and many of the world famous scientist are not all from the West but also from the East.

Never the less none of this justifies the amount of atrocities the West has committed, do you want to list those as well Miltiades?

Maybe you can start with the British Empire, then list each Colonialist and their atrocities, move on to the World Wars and finally what the US has been doing during its tiny history. Of course this is just a very swift summary of the West, I'm sure there are many more important parts in history where the West murdered MILLIONS in order to become "The West". WMD's and some of the most efficient weapons that the entire terrorist world uses are also just some of their wonderful inventions. Most of the conflicts around the globe today are also the doings of the West.

Basically the west thrives from poverty and conflicts, or it would not exist!

But of course none of this matters.

This is the WEST we are talking about here, and there goes another thread :roll:


Shah, for once, I totally agree with you.

Wish we could agree on the Cyprob too! Maybe some day a?
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Postby Eliko » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:00 pm

[quote="miltiades"]Suffice to say that had it not been for the West , the third world people would not have anywhere to go to in order to improve their lot [ quote/]

That may be so miltiades, although on the plus side, there would be many more millions of them trying to improve their lot right now, don't you think ?. :wink:
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Postby miltiades » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:18 pm

Eliko wrote:
miltiades wrote:Suffice to say that had it not been for the West , the third world people would not have anywhere to go to in order to improve their lot [ quote/]

That may be so miltiades, although on the plus side, there would be many more millions of them trying to improve their lot right now, don't you think ?. :wink:

Nonsense , had it not been for the West they would be none left , just imagine if penicillin wasn't made available to them !! Let us not forget the largest pharmaceutical companies in the world today and the largest agricultural products manufacturers , not to mention telecommunications , health care products , and of course perfumery to keep the bodies clean , i could also mention , the Mercedes , MBW , Rolls Royce , Bentley . not forgetting Ferrari , Lamborghini , Volvo , Audi , oh dear just too much to mention !!!!
LONG MAY THE WEST CONTINUE TO LEAD THE WAY !!!
Almost forgot , our gorgeous blondes , brunettes , red heads and those magnificent Hollywood films , Ben Hur comes to mind !!
Anyone heard of this incidentally ,
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Postby miltiades » Thu Feb 14, 2008 4:28 pm

Before any one starts telling us about the amount of contribution to civilization by religion let us start with the greatest 20th century philosopher Bertrand Russell's assessment on the contribution of religions to human civilization. Lord Russell, in his famous essay "Has Religion Made Useful Contributions to Civilization?" has outlined a concise account of contributions made by religions (all religions) to human civilization [Ref: Why I am not a Christian, p.24]. Bertrand Russell could not find any significant contribution that religions, including Islam, might have made to human civilization. He wrote:

"My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race. I cannot, however, deny that it has made some contributions to civilization. It helped early days to fix the calendar and it caused Egyptian priests to chronicle eclipses with such care that in time they became able to predict them. These two services I am prepared to acknowledge, but I do not know of any others."
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