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The Truth of the Matter.

Postby Stout » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:22 pm

My children bought me a P.C. for a Xmas present and gave me some advice which led me to join this forum in late December.

I found myself in amongst people of many nations with many different views about matters which to me seemed quite obvious.

I withdrew from the forum because I did not feel comfortable with the constant abuse directed from one member to the other and have since spent time in reading, rather than writing my own views.

I would now like to make some comments which I hope will not attract abuse, in fact I cannot see how they can if thought about.

My first offering is on the subject of Iraq:-

George Bush is now known to have used the events of 9/11 as an excuse to attack Iraq.

His real objective was to gain control of the oil fields of the nation and that is common knowledge.

In human terms, the unlawful action against that nation has led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, regardless of how they may have occurred after the event or by whose hands.

Millions of that country's people have been made homeless or have been displaced as a result of the attack upon that nation.

The situation in Iraq is now far worse for the people than it was under the regime of Saddam Hussein, that is an obvious fact.

Without resorting to abuse or referring to events which may or may not have taken place in Iraq before the attack, I wonder if any member has any real evidence to contradict the above comments.

My own view is that they are all proven to be true and that is why I cannot understand where the necessity to create arguments and abuse each other on account of them comes from, unless the members are only interested in argument for the sake of it, in which case there can never be a resolution to any problem.
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Postby tessintrnc » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:33 pm

I agree with you totally Mr Stout!! But everyone has the right to their opinion and thats why people argue. Some people are so "loyal" to their Government / Country that they do indeed turn a blind eye to the truth.
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Postby Eliko » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:44 pm

Absolutely, but I think you should have stayed out a little longer mate, I am off myself on the 18th.

Best wishes. :wink:
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Postby Stout » Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:49 pm

Mr Stout !!, why thank you, I must say I was expecting a torrent of abuse :lol:, I can come out from behind the sofa now :lol:.

I wonder why the members feel it is necessary to use such foul and insulting language in some cases, surely that only serves to increase bad feelings among each other, hardly the way to reach agreement.
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Postby pantheman » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:19 pm

Eliko wrote:Absolutely, but I think you should have stayed out a little longer mate, I am off myself on the 18th.

Best wishes. :wink:


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Postby Eliko » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:24 pm

pantheman wrote:
Eliko wrote:Absolutely, but I think you should have stayed out a little longer mate, I am off myself on the 18th.

Best wishes. :wink:


Are you back? Or just browsing?

Welcome back either way.


pantheman, I am just browsing for a day or so, nothing better to do I'm afraid, I will be off on the 18th for a period of about 3 months.

When I return I will probably log in again, missing the old folks already you see. :wink:
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Postby tessintrnc » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:26 pm

Eliko wrote:
pantheman wrote:
Eliko wrote:Absolutely, but I think you should have stayed out a little longer mate, I am off myself on the 18th.

Best wishes. :wink:


Are you back? Or just browsing?

Welcome back either way.


pantheman, I am just browsing for a day or so, nothing better to do I'm afraid, I will be off on the 18th for a period of about 3 months.

When I return I will probably log in again, missing the old folks already you see. :wink:


Not so much of the OLD if you please!!!! Nice to "see" you anyway!! :lol:
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Postby purdey » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:31 pm

Come on Eliko,start a thread for us.Something amusing that we can all get stuck into..
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Postby Eliko » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:33 pm

tessintrnc, no offence intended I assure you, I have had some difficulties in ensuring that my e-mails are not displaced in my absence, as a result of that my account came under a bit of fire and I have just had it sorted out.

I will be gone in a few days however, hopefully I will be back in early May.

Best Wishes to you and yours. :wink:
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Postby Eliko » Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:39 pm

purdey, my time now is quite precious to me, I am not in the mood for frivolous exchanges. :lol:

On my return, I am sure I will have many topics suitable for argument, meanwhile, I would imagine that the one presented by Stout should give you an opportunity for some in-depth discussion, I must say I cannot see any reasons to contradict his statements. :wink:
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