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[observer]

Nikitas

Greece did no back the plan. Greece said it would stand by any decision made by the GCs and that it wanted a negotiated settlement.

Technically right of course, but as there was no energetic backing for the GC's dismissal of the plan, many saw that as a coded message of Greece preferring the Plan to be approved, rather than be rejected.

Some journalists thought it was fair, others didn't. Naturally those who thought it was fair were in the pay of the Americans (though never a cent went from the RoC to those who didn't think it fair). Same with academics. We can each quote our own preferred source.

As for having no guarantees, I seem to remember that it was Russia (presumably at the request of the RoC) who used its veto in the UN Security Council for the first time in 10 years to block UN guarantees. This once again is an indication that Papadopoulos was doing his best to make the settlement seem as unfavourable as possible.

[observer]

Thought you might be amused by one commentator's views on why Russia used its veto - though naturally it's wrong since no laundering of money ever happened in the RoC!

"But some Russian and international experts hold that, in fact, Moscow is more dependent on the Greeks and not the other way around. Over the past decade, billions of dollars from Russia were deposited or moved through Cyprus offshore banks and shell companies. This naturally has made the Greeks a special interest group, one that appears to have enough power to influence Russia's foreign policy, some analysts say. On April 26, the Vremya novostei and Kommersant dailies cited a report that appeared one day earlier in Austria's Der Standard newspaper. It said that Greek Cypriot Foreign Minister George Iacovou had prompted the Russian UN Security Council veto by "hinting" at the possibility of an investigation into Russian offshore companies. REN-TV on April 25 said there was "an economic calculation" behind the veto, and a commentary in Kommersant on April 23 argued that "the blocking of the resolution could have been payment for the safekeeping of Russian money and property even after the country joins the EU."

The whole article, which gives other considertions as to why Russia used the veto, is here: http://www.jamestown.org/edm/article.ph ... _id=236654

[Kikapu]

Sadly, this article is a bit dated. There is a very different atmosphere in the north of Cyprus nowadays.

This is a picture of the big demonstration in 2003:

Tim,

Didn't anyone tell you, that Propaganda does not have an expiration date.

[Get Real!]

The TC community is a chameleon…not a single bit of red in that 2003 demonstration photo because they wanted the GCs to accept them in their economic prosperity but throughout the previous THREE DECADES all you ever saw in their demonstrations was red flags everywhere and them shouting abuse across the green line!

The GC community didn’t fall for this charade because you don’t turn Cypriot overnight when it suits you!

[Nikitas]

Observer comments:

"Some journalists thought it was fair, others didn't. Naturally those who thought it was fair were in the pay of the Americans "

I did say "pseudojournalists" who dabble in journalism now and again. They are the ones who suddenly appeared as proponents of the plan. They are not around anymore. Naturally there were bona fide journalists who both favored and opposed the plan. They are not the same as the parrots on the US payroll.

The RoC has official PR people on its payroll in Greece and they are official and well known and in their byline they clearly write "adviser to the RoC government". If you cannot see the difference then I cannot help you.

Still leaves the military arrangements under the Annan plan which provided crushing firepower advantages for the remaining Turkish forces. Why? Is it because they feared something or because they were planning something else? In the end no one responds to the simple objection raised by Pap, that the TCs get all that is due to them right away while the GCs will have to wait ten years with no guarantees.

As for the much touted Russian economic presence in Cyprus, now with EU membership, all the offshore system is abolished. Russia is still on the GC side, so the speculation on that point is totally sunk.

[Expatkiwi]

Maybe this is a better reflection on the title of this thread:

Aide: "Mr. President, the Turkish Cypriots are revolting!"
Papadopoulous: "Absolutely! Yuck, they are revolting!"

[Tim Drayton]

Maybe this is a better reflection on the title of this thread:

Aide: "Mr. President, the Turkish Cypriots are revolting!"
Papadopoulous: "Absolutely! Yuck, they are revolting!"

I find myself in total agreemen with you, for once. This summarises exactly the earlier post by Get Real in this thread.

Over the nineties we saw a concept of Cypriotness emerge among the Turkish Cypriots, a cause in whose name Turkish Cypriot journalist Kutlu Adalı laid down his life.

There is still a lot of dispute about precisely why Adalı was assasinated, but at the time he had just started writing a series of articles investigating the ransacking of the St Barnabus Monastery, in which he pointed the finger of blame squarely at the Turkish occupying forces on the island. So many posts have been made on this forum denouncing the desecration of Greek Cypriot religious monuments in the north; here was a Turkish Cypriot, a Cypriot who cared about the cultural heritage of all the peoples ofths island, who paid with his life for denouncing this process. How many of the Greek Cypriots who boldy come on this forum and post screeds of hate-filled messages condemning the destruction of GC cultural heritage in the north would be prepared to lay down their lives in an attempt to stop it? Yet, a Turkish Cypriot named Kutlu did. What comment are you going to make about that. "Yuck. A Turkish Cypriot. He must have stunk!"

It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you see lots of red flags on a TC demonstration, well, it just shows that they are Turkey's fifth column. If you don't see any red flags and the TCs are demonstrating in favour of reunification and Cypriotness, well, there has got to be another cynical explanation. It couldn't possibly be a development that all sane GCs should rejoice in and embrace! It can't be a cause of concern that this movement has come to an abrupt halt!

[DT.]

Maybe this is a better reflection on the title of this thread:

Aide: "Mr. President, the Turkish Cypriots are revolting!"
Papadopoulous: "Absolutely! Yuck, they are revolting!"

I find myself in total agreemen with you, for once. This summarises exactly the earlier post by Get Real in this thread.

Over the nineties we saw a concept of Cypriotness emerge among the Turkish Cypriots, a cause in whose name Turkish Cypriot journalist Kutlu Adalı laid down his life.

There is still a lot of dispute about precisely why Adalı was assasinated, but at the time he had just started writing a series of articles investigating the ransacking of the St Barnabus Monastery, in which he pointed the finger of blame squarely at the Turkish occupying forces on the island. So many posts have been made on this forum denouncing the desecration of Greek Cypriot religious monuments in the north; here was a Turkish Cypriot, a Cypriot who cared about the cultural heritage of all the peoples ofths island, who paid with his life for denouncing this process. How many of the Greek Cypriots who boldy come on this forum and post screeds of hate-filled messages condemning the destruction of GC cultural heritage in the north would be prepared to lay down their lives in an attempt to stop it? Yet, a Turkish Cypriot named Kutlu did. What comment are you going to make about that. "Yuck. A Turkish Cypriot. He must have stunk!"

It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you see lots of red flags on a TC demonstration, well, it just shows that they are Turkey's fifth column. If you don't see any red flags and the TCs are demonstrating in favour of reunification and Cypriotness, well, there has got to be another cynical explanation. It couldn't possibly be a development that all sane GCs should rejoice in and embrace! It can't be a cause of concern that this movement has come to an abrupt halt!

was actually watching Cybc 2 today and on the Biz/Εμεις program they were hosting 2 of the founders of that platform who have now started a similar one. Their message was we managed it once we can get it there again.

[Tim Drayton]

Maybe this is a better reflection on the title of this thread:

Aide: "Mr. President, the Turkish Cypriots are revolting!"
Papadopoulous: "Absolutely! Yuck, they are revolting!"

I find myself in total agreemen with you, for once. This summarises exactly the earlier post by Get Real in this thread.

Over the nineties we saw a concept of Cypriotness emerge among the Turkish Cypriots, a cause in whose name Turkish Cypriot journalist Kutlu Adalı laid down his life.

There is still a lot of dispute about precisely why Adalı was assasinated, but at the time he had just started writing a series of articles investigating the ransacking of the St Barnabus Monastery, in which he pointed the finger of blame squarely at the Turkish occupying forces on the island. So many posts have been made on this forum denouncing the desecration of Greek Cypriot religious monuments in the north; here was a Turkish Cypriot, a Cypriot who cared about the cultural heritage of all the peoples ofths island, who paid with his life for denouncing this process. How many of the Greek Cypriots who boldy come on this forum and post screeds of hate-filled messages condemning the destruction of GC cultural heritage in the north would be prepared to lay down their lives in an attempt to stop it? Yet, a Turkish Cypriot named Kutlu did. What comment are you going to make about that. "Yuck. A Turkish Cypriot. He must have stunk!"

It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you see lots of red flags on a TC demonstration, well, it just shows that they are Turkey's fifth column. If you don't see any red flags and the TCs are demonstrating in favour of reunification and Cypriotness, well, there has got to be another cynical explanation. It couldn't possibly be a development that all sane GCs should rejoice in and embrace! It can't be a cause of concern that this movement has come to an abrupt halt!

was actually watching Cybc 2 today and on the Biz/Εμεις program they were hosting 2 of the founders of that platform who have now started a similar one. Their message was we managed it once we can get it there again.

I am glad that somebody else watches Biz/Emeis. Sometimes I feel that I am the only one!

I watched this particular interview with great interest. Of course the main reason for the derailing of the "this Country is Ours" platform was the voting in of the CTP and the subsequent entangling of one of the main components of this platform in the machinery of a puppet regime where the real strings are in Ankara's hand. The creation of a new peace platform could be of great significance - time will tell.

I thought that one of Izzet Izcan's comments was very important for everybody on this island. He said that the importing of settlers from Turkey had taken on a dimension that threatens not only the Turkish Cypriots, but the Greek Cypriots as well. The day may come when mainland Turks on the island outnumber the Greek Cypriots, and Turkey could then exploit this situation politically to its own end.

Turkish expansion in this region can only be halted by a partnership of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. It would be good if some Greek Cypriot contributors here tried to comprehend this, and made an effort to understand developments within Turkish Cypriot society if not actually lend some support to movements there which serve the cause of peace and reunification, rather than dismissing positive moves in a condescending manner that verges on racism.

[DT.]

Maybe this is a better reflection on the title of this thread:

Aide: "Mr. President, the Turkish Cypriots are revolting!"
Papadopoulous: "Absolutely! Yuck, they are revolting!"

I find myself in total agreemen with you, for once. This summarises exactly the earlier post by Get Real in this thread.

Over the nineties we saw a concept of Cypriotness emerge among the Turkish Cypriots, a cause in whose name Turkish Cypriot journalist Kutlu Adalı laid down his life.

There is still a lot of dispute about precisely why Adalı was assasinated, but at the time he had just started writing a series of articles investigating the ransacking of the St Barnabus Monastery, in which he pointed the finger of blame squarely at the Turkish occupying forces on the island. So many posts have been made on this forum denouncing the desecration of Greek Cypriot religious monuments in the north; here was a Turkish Cypriot, a Cypriot who cared about the cultural heritage of all the peoples ofths island, who paid with his life for denouncing this process. How many of the Greek Cypriots who boldy come on this forum and post screeds of hate-filled messages condemning the destruction of GC cultural heritage in the north would be prepared to lay down their lives in an attempt to stop it? Yet, a Turkish Cypriot named Kutlu did. What comment are you going to make about that. "Yuck. A Turkish Cypriot. He must have stunk!"

It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you see lots of red flags on a TC demonstration, well, it just shows that they are Turkey's fifth column. If you don't see any red flags and the TCs are demonstrating in favour of reunification and Cypriotness, well, there has got to be another cynical explanation. It couldn't possibly be a development that all sane GCs should rejoice in and embrace! It can't be a cause of concern that this movement has come to an abrupt halt!

was actually watching Cybc 2 today and on the Biz/Εμεις program they were hosting 2 of the founders of that platform who have now started a similar one. Their message was we managed it once we can get it there again.

I am glad that somebody else watches Biz/Emeis. Sometimes I feel that I am the only one!

I watched this particular interview with great interest. Of course the main reason for the derailing of the "this Country is Ours" platform was the voting in of the CTP and the subsequent entangling of one of the main components of this platform in the machinery of a puppet regime where the real strings are in Ankara's hand. The creation of a new peace platform could be of great significance - time will tell.

I thought that one of Izzet Izcan's comments was very important for everybody on this island. He said that the importing of settlers from Turkey had taken on a dimension that threatens not only the Turkish Cypriots, but the Greek Cypriots as well. The day may come when mainland Turks on the island outnumber the Greek Cypriots, and Turkey could then exploit this situation politically to its own end.

Turkish expansion in this region can only be halted by a partnership of Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots. It would be good if some Greek Cypriot contributors here tried to comprehend this, and made an effort to understand developments within Turkish Cypriot society if not actually lend some support to movements there which serve the cause of peace and reunification, rather than dismissing positive moves in a condescending manner that verges on racism.

Thats what they're asking for. Someone from the GC groups to pick up the slack and say "we're with you on this one."

Unfortunately most of the GC's would say "why should we help the tc's get rid of a problem they themselves created to hurt us?"

Without realising that they would be helping the GC's as well. In 5-10 years we could be looking at a population of 1.5-2m in the north.