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Erdogan's Visit Leaves German Conservatives Fuming

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Postby Eric dayi » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:06 am

Here we go, another forum where the Greeks and GCs prove their racism and hate for anything Turkish. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lemme see now:

The Greeks go to any country in the world and keep their culture and language and religion.

But because of the GCs and Greeks hate and they want us Turks and TCs to forget our religion, culture and language.

The same f**king thing as they want in Cyprus.

Erdigan said "Integrate but do not forget who you are and where you came from", this is only seen "bad" by the Turk hating Greeks/GCs. The Germans who do not want Turkey in the EU for their own political reasons, are only using what he said as an excuse.

Thank God the island is partitioned and we do not have to live under Greek rule or we would be forced to forget our Turkishness and become Greeks.

Stick your reunification up where the sun don't shine, side f**king ways.

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Postby DT. » Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:08 am

Eric dayi wrote:Here we go, another forum where the Greeks and GCs prove their racism and hate for anything Turkish. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lemme see now:

The Greeks go to any country in the world and keep their culture and language and religion.

But because of the GCs and Greeks hate and they want us Turks and TCs to forget our religion, culture and language.

The same f**king thing as they want in Cyprus.

Erdigan said "Integrate but do not forget who you are and where you came from", this is only seen "bad" by the Turk hating Greeks/GCs. The Germans who do not want Turkey in the EU for their own political reasons, are only using what he said as an excuse.

Thank God the island is partitioned and we do not have to live under Greek rule or we would be forced to forget our Turkishness and become Greeks.

Stick your reunification up where the sun don't shine, side f**king ways.

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Postby halil » Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:44 am

Erdoğan insists on stance in integration row with Merkel
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan yesterday maintained his stance on the integration of Turks living in Germany, a day after German Chancellor Angela Merkel hit back at him for comments in which he urged Turks living in Germany to maintain their traditions and resist assimilation.





"Our brothers and sisters living in Germany have so far succeeded in protecting their own identities as they also contributed to Germany's development. On this occasion, I've stated there [in Germany] that we are against assimilation and that we need to draw bold lines between assimilation and integration. I want to repeat here once more -- assimilation is a crime against humanity," Erdoğan said, in a speech delivered during a parliamentary group meeting of his ruling Justice and Development Party (AK Party).
"Here, we may be thinking differently from Mrs. Merkel, but this is my view. … And I'm saying very openly and clearly, nobody can ever expect to assimilate Turkish society. But we are ready to do anything needed concerning integration," he added.

Erdoğan's speech echoed the same messages delivered in a speech in Cologne on Sunday at the end of a four-day trip to Germany. Then, highlighting differences between Turkish and German leaders concerning integration, Erdoğan said Turks there should learn German but not give up their Turkish identities. He had again called assimilation a "crime against humanity."

The comments to a huge crowd of some 16,000 people of mainly Turkish descent triggered sharp reactions from Merkel and members of her conservative party, who have long argued that immigrant groups must adapt to the German way of life even if it means abandoning aspects of their native cultures.

"If they are citizens, then of course I expect them to behave as full citizens without qualification. Their loyalties are then to the German state," Merkel told reporters in Hamburg on Monday, when asked about Erdoğan's remarks. "I think further talks with the Turkish prime minister are needed about the meaning of integration," she added.

Some 2.5 million people of Turkish descent live in Germany, more than in any other country in Western Europe. While some are well integrated into German life, others live in separate urban communities, speak only Turkish and stick to old traditions.

Merkel, who opposes Turkey's bid to join the European Union, has made improving integration a priority of her government, bringing a coordinator for the issue into her chancellery and holding regular "summits" with leading immigrant groups.

But she has tended to put the onus on immigrants to adapt. When asked last month why the government's "integration plan" existed only in German, she replied curtly that it was the national language and those who could not read it should learn.

Also yesterday, Erdoğan said not being active in social and political platforms was wrong for Turks living in Germany and that he attaches major importance to integration. "What we insistently stress is this: Learning the language of the society being lived in is a must for integration. Having good knowledge of one's mother tongue is a must for learning other languages well," Erdoğan said, reiterating his view that bilingual schools providing education both in German and Turkish should be founded in Germany for better integration.


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Postby tessintrnc » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:00 am

Eric dayi wrote:Here we go, another forum where the Greeks and GCs prove their racism and hate for anything Turkish. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lemme see now:

The Greeks go to any country in the world and keep their culture and language and religion.

But because of the GCs and Greeks hate and they want us Turks and TCs to forget our religion, culture and language.

The same f**king thing as they want in Cyprus.

Erdigan said "Integrate but do not forget who you are and where you came from", this is only seen "bad" by the Turk hating Greeks/GCs. The Germans who do not want Turkey in the EU for their own political reasons, are only using what he said as an excuse.

Thank God the island is partitioned and we do not have to live under Greek rule or we would be forced to forget our Turkishness and become Greeks.

Stick your reunification up where the sun don't shine, side f**king ways.

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Exactly, I agree with you.Here in our TRNC there are English schools set up for the children of English speaking residents - whats wrong with that? Wherever people live in the world why should they not be proud of, and remember where they originate from?
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Postby Expatkiwi » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:03 am

tessintrnc wrote:
Eric dayi wrote:Here we go, another forum where the Greeks and GCs prove their racism and hate for anything Turkish. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lemme see now:

The Greeks go to any country in the world and keep their culture and language and religion.

But because of the GCs and Greeks hate and they want us Turks and TCs to forget our religion, culture and language.

The same f**king thing as they want in Cyprus.

Erdigan said "Integrate but do not forget who you are and where you came from", this is only seen "bad" by the Turk hating Greeks/GCs. The Germans who do not want Turkey in the EU for their own political reasons, are only using what he said as an excuse.

Thank God the island is partitioned and we do not have to live under Greek rule or we would be forced to forget our Turkishness and become Greeks.

Stick your reunification up where the sun don't shine, side f**king ways.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Exactly, I agree with you.Here in our TRNC there are English schools set up for the children of English speaking residents - whats wrong with that? Wherever people live in the world why should they not be proud of, and remember where they originate from?
Tess


You're absolutely right. If one moves to another country, one had to be mindful of the laws and traditions there, but one should never forget ones heritage. My house in Los Angeles has both the US and New Zealand flags on display. I'm proud of both.
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Postby tessintrnc » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:10 am

What would happen in the Uk where there are huge "foreign" communities with their own unique cultures if ones culture suddenly had to be abandoned? Take a look at Chinatown in London, supermarkets that sell nothing but chinese goods, resteraunts, clubs etc. And Kilburn, a huge Irish community offering the Irish language, resteraunts pubs dancing classes etc!!! It happens all the time - so why should Turkish immigrants be discriminated against?
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Postby Expatkiwi » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:20 am

tessintrnc wrote:What would happen in the Uk where there are huge "foreign" communities with their own unique cultures if ones culture suddenly had to be abandoned? Take a look at Chinatown in London, supermarkets that sell nothing but chinese goods, resteraunts, clubs etc. And Kilburn, a huge Irish community offering the Irish language, resteraunts pubs dancing classes etc!!! It happens all the time - so why should Turkish immigrants be discriminated against?
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There is a natural bias against Turks unfortunately. Kind of like what the Irish had to put up with in the United States in the 19th and early 20th Century. The perception of Turks being job takers and outsiders is like the perception of people coming to New Zealand from Tonga, Fiji, and Samoa. They come in seeking work and take the low paying jobs, yet the 'natives' look down their noses as a result. Its sad, but true.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:23 am

Thats all changed in the UK now, with new countries joining the EU , the job takers and cheapest workers are the Polish.
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Postby pantheman » Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:34 am

Eric dayi wrote:Here we go, another forum where the Greeks and GCs prove their racism and hate for anything Turkish. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Lemme see now:

The Greeks go to any country in the world and keep their culture and language and religion.

But because of the GCs and Greeks hate and they want us Turks and TCs to forget our religion, culture and language.

The same f**king thing as they want in Cyprus.

Erdigan said "Integrate but do not forget who you are and where you came from", this is only seen "bad" by the Turk hating Greeks/GCs. The Germans who do not want Turkey in the EU for their own political reasons, are only using what he said as an excuse.

Thank God the island is partitioned and we do not have to live under Greek rule or we would be forced to forget our Turkishness and become Greeks.

Stick your reunification up where the sun don't shine, side f**king ways.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Yes eric you prick, look whos talking F hypocrite. You invade cyprus, you hold it at gunpoint and you have a systematic process of destroying anything greek/hellenic to turkify the illegally held areas. You destroyed churches, cemetaries, changes place name, destroyed anything resemblimg anything greek.

And now you come on here farting you mouth off about remembering who you are.

You are a yourself a rasist pig who has total hatred for anything greek and you have the cheek to spout shit about the GCs hating turks. You don't have a leg to stand on, so just fuck off.

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Postby humanist » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:03 am

Exactly, I agree with you.Here in our TRNC there are English schools set up for the children of English speaking residents - whats wrong with that? Wherever people live in the world why should they not be proud of, and remember where they originate from?
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because they kicked us out at gun point and stolen our homes and properties thats why tess from Ireland, long live the queen
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