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[Kikapu]

rw a just proposal was 1960 where we would get on fine and gc leadership went on a venture to destroy roc and join it with griiis. a just proposal was 2004, even griis supported it as well as un but your president went on tv unopposed for 2 hours and cried his eyes out making the fools believe that if they say no now they will be able use eu to get a better deal. and there are fools today that still belive such stupidity even after 15 years of no better deal or even any deal.

i mean how can you make an agreement with such stipid people and live togehter. it isimpossible.

a just proposal will be exchange of properties with market valaues of today , and sepertate the two states but both in the eu. now that will work.

Your proposal is rubbish on many fronts for the GCs, just as was the 2004 Annan Plan. Your proposal is like saying, "Heads I win, tails you lose". BTW, Greece's suppport for the AP was only make believe and was not real. EU membership was the ultimate goal for the RoC, so the end did justify the means for Greece and the RoC.

you are talking shit again. griik governments of different times have behaved differently. what does even makebelieve support mean even. a bit like your thoughts i guess.

for instance in 1963 they told magariovillos not to propose changes even before implementing the constitution becasue they will not be able to claim it does not work. he ignored them and went ahead with his demands and worse still started the cyprus problem by killing two innocent unarmed tcs in the street.
secondly they advised papadovillos do agree to the 2004 annan plan as it was going to be as good as it gets and he ignored them and despite the fact that he negotiated it promissing the eu and the un that he would support it in a vote, he turned and did what he did and the result is for all to see.

if they had accepted the plan marash and the villages below the nicosi/famagousta highway would have been returned and about 40,000 gcs would be able to return to their properties in the north under northern fereal government, as well as pay compensation worked out by an independent body. it was a win win for all.

lets face it the time has run out and now we only have one choice, two state solution. and it is comming. why do you think nastivillos wants to start talks. to hell with him and his talks. akinci not playing ball is he. he has balls to tell him and chavusoglu to farq offf

I can't follow your post when you do not write in English at all times.

AP was 9,000+ pages long and no one knew what they all were. The fact that Turkey was happy with the AP is all you need to know about the AP. Had AP passed in 2004, not only the RoC more than likely wouldn't be in the EU today, but Turkey would be controlling all of Cyprus and also the Gas & Oil fields. There was ZERO incentives fort he GCs to accept the AP, and they didn't. It was their Democratic choice, so just respect it.

[Maximus]

You should look in the mirror and stop projecting on to others what your side did and continues to do in Cyprus.

ethnic cleansing, stealing homes, refusing democracy, racism in Cyprus

The just solution is to reverse it,

You despicable shit bag....

and there you were saying all tcs should move to terggy. farq off you kant

You should and can read again, Its only a couple of posts back.

There is no need to further engage with or entertain discussions based on your madness.

It’s been going on for decades. You don’t want a solution, you want to argue, lie, cheat and steal.

You stupid shit bag.

[repulsewarrior]

...humour me bill, are you still reading?

(i hope you are still writing)

...have you (re)read my manifesto?.

[Lordo]

rw a just proposal was 1960 where we would get on fine and gc leadership went on a venture to destroy roc and join it with griiis. a just proposal was 2004, even griis supported it as well as un but your president went on tv unopposed for 2 hours and cried his eyes out making the fools believe that if they say no now they will be able use eu to get a better deal. and there are fools today that still belive such stupidity even after 15 years of no better deal or even any deal.

i mean how can you make an agreement with such stipid people and live togehter. it isimpossible.

a just proposal will be exchange of properties with market valaues of today , and sepertate the two states but both in the eu. now that will work.

Your proposal is rubbish on many fronts for the GCs, just as was the 2004 Annan Plan. Your proposal is like saying, "Heads I win, tails you lose". BTW, Greece's suppport for the AP was only make believe and was not real. EU membership was the ultimate goal for the RoC, so the end did justify the means for Greece and the RoC.

you are talking shit again. griik governments of different times have behaved differently. what does even makebelieve support mean even. a bit like your thoughts i guess.

for instance in 1963 they told magariovillos not to propose changes even before implementing the constitution becasue they will not be able to claim it does not work. he ignored them and went ahead with his demands and worse still started the cyprus problem by killing two innocent unarmed tcs in the street.
secondly they advised papadovillos do agree to the 2004 annan plan as it was going to be as good as it gets and he ignored them and despite the fact that he negotiated it promissing the eu and the un that he would support it in a vote, he turned and did what he did and the result is for all to see.

if they had accepted the plan marash and the villages below the nicosi/famagousta highway would have been returned and about 40,000 gcs would be able to return to their properties in the north under northern fereal government, as well as pay compensation worked out by an independent body. it was a win win for all.

lets face it the time has run out and now we only have one choice, two state solution. and it is comming. why do you think nastivillos wants to start talks. to hell with him and his talks. akinci not playing ball is he. he has balls to tell him and chavusoglu to farq offf

I can't follow your post when you do not write in English at all times.

AP was 9,000+ pages long and no one knew what they all were. The fact that Turkey was happy with the AP is all you need to know about the AP. Had AP passed in 2004, not only the RoC more than likely wouldn't be in the EU today, but Turkey would be controlling all of Cyprus and also the Gas & Oil fields. There was ZERO incentives fort he GCs to accept the AP, and they didn't. It was their Democratic choice, so just respect it.

Have you considered the idea that Turkey did not like the plan but felt the GCs would not accept it and by accepting it they get a "get out of jail card" from the international community. The plan was a very good plan as a first step towards unification and would have put a wedge between the TCs and Turkey. As the TCs would gain more economic sternegth, they would be controlled less and less by Turkey economically and militarily.

it was a great opporotunity missed and I am afraid after 2017, I see no way back. Certainly not by what the current candidates are saying in the presidential race.