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[Expatkiwi]

The Turkish Cypriot Community would have had to (a) renounce their UDI, (b) cede a large amount of territory, (c) watch the removal of the vast majority of Turkish Forces, (d) allow a large numbet of Greeks to return to the north, (e) watch the removal of a large number of Turkish migrants. These things were items a lot of them found hard to swallow, but they were willing to do that. Instead, your rejection of the Annan plan basically was a YES vote for partition.

[Kikapu]

The Annan plan was rejected by the GC's obstensively because it would have allowed some settlers to remain, and a small number of Turkish forces to remain as a proper protective force, while at the same time restricting to a degree the number of Greek refugees returning to their homes. However, the Turkish Cypriot state would have had to cede Maras/Varosha, Morphou, Erenkoy/Kokkina, and other parts of territory to the Greek Cypriot state.

ALso Cypriots would be only EU citizens who don't enjoy full property and settlement rights.
Plan dissolved ROC and replaced it with a confederation of 2 statelets. Further intervention by turkey would create a status of 2 independant states.
This was a confederation not a federation. Central authority stemmed from the 2 statelets not the central govt.
The executive, legislative and judicial were problematic and undemocratic. The final vote if anything went to the judicial would be cast by foreigners,
GC's would foot the bill for Turkey's invasion!!!!!
Settlers legitimised and no further central govt control over immigration. TC statelet would basically allow anyone it likes to come over. Repatriation of settlers would be paid for by the GC's. Who the HELL BROUGHT THEM HERE ANYWAY???
Cyprus would be demilitarised while turkey would hold a right of intervention even into the GC statelet.
At Turkey’s request, Kofi Annan canceled the Cypriot ratification of the 1936 Montreux Treaty and acknowledged that Turkey questions other legal agreements concerning the continental shelf of Cyprus (economic agreement with Egypt). The reason is to be found in the prospect for gas and oil in the Cypriot continental shelf.
Turkish troops would remain even after Turkey joins the EU.
The GC's would have trust turkey that they would follow the handover of land over the years. Turkey's gains on the other hand are completed over 24 hours.

and NO. I do not accept that 18% of the population should have a revolving presidency.

I apologise if these reasons are lame to you Expat


BASICALLY THE TC'S WOULD BECOME A MASTER IN THE NORTH AND A PARTNER IN THE SOUTH.

Reading this someone would be fooled into saying that the GC community probably only makes up 0.6% of the population.

Both sides had to make sacrifices

DT,

That's what Expatiwi is talking about. Both sides had to make sacrifices.

First the TC's would give back a little land that already belongs to the GC's but held at ransom and does not belong to them, then you give a lot back in return to the TC's and Turkey, to legitimize the remaining GC land held at ransom. Then Expatkiwi wonders why the Anal Plan was turned down by the majority of the GC's who were told to trade away their whole country for getting only small part of it back with a lot of headache and heartache to follow in the very near future....like by now, and Expatkiwi thinks each side needed to sacrifices a little. A little I would not have minded, but it appears Expatkiwi does not know what a little is. Is like asking how long a piece of string is, so in short, Expatkiwi is either clueless of all the problems that would have emerged had the AP passed, or he is just another ill informed individual, but he did tell me on another thread, that he has looked at the Cyprus problems before and that he understands it. I would like to know which Propaganda sites he was reading to have learned of the Cyprus Problems.??

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu would the GCs have got Maraş back?

Would they have gotten rid of the Turkish army?

Would a certain % of settlers gone back to Turkey?

Would we have been united as a one country one identity?

Would the GC been able to resettle in the North state?

Would the GC have gotten 8% of the land back?

Would 90.000 GCs including Papadop gone home?

Would there have been a chance to build bridges between the communities?

What have GCs gained with regards to a solution over the past 5 years? SHIT ALL......

[Kikapu]

Kikapu would the GCs have got Maraş back?

Would they have gotten rid of the Turkish army?

Would a certain % of settlers gone back to Turkey?

Would we have been united as a one country one identity?

Would the GC been able to resettle in the North state?

Would the GC have gotten 8% of the land back?

Would 90.000 GCs including Papadop gone home?

Would there have been a chance to build bridges between the communities?

What have GCs gained with regards to a solution over the past 5 years? SHIT ALL......

VP,

Please try and be honest with your above list. I have already gave Expatkiwi a quick rundown as to why the GC's said NO to AP, but here you are throwing me little "tit-bits" as to why they should have said yes. The bigger question is, would you have said yes, if the shoe was on the other foot.?? I very much doubt it, so why would you expect anything different from the GC's. What the AP was doing, was to legitimize all the illegalities in creating the "TRNC". Your above list is best comparable to a saying to the GC's, be "Penny Wise and Pound Foolish". Trading Marash which belongs mostly to GC's anyway to hand over the rest of the country to a great deal of uncertainty with full of pitfalls is hardly a "fair trade". As my cousin's husband said, "we did not vote for peace, we voted for the Annan Plan". This is what I believe why the 65% TC's voted yes for. They had far more to gain than lose, although I really cannot see what was it that the TC's would be losing, other than illegalities about the "TRNC".

The RoC got into the EU as a Full Members and their economy is on fast track to becoming stronger than it was in 2004, so that's what they got, as well as being the legitimate owners of the land that majority of the land that is occupied by the "TRNC", as it was acknowledged by the Oram's case. The occupation goes on, but the "TRNC" does not own the land, hence the fact there will never be a recognition and most of the isolation will continue. So the question you should be asking is, not what has the RoC gained, but rather what the "TRNC" have not. The only way to move forward is to stop trying to screw each other and be honest that we want peace and prosperity for all Cypriots with every one's Human and Democratic Rights protected. Anything short of that, will spell trouble.

[observer]

You see, what worries me and others is that GCs spent much of the 1950s trying to shoot and bomb their way to enosis. In an independent country GCs then spent the early part of the 1960s trying to bomb and shoot their way to enosis. GCs then spent the later part of the 1960s trying to evict TCs through political and economic means so that they could have enosis. This was rather slow, so in the 1970s some GCs went back to the bomb and the gun.

Since the arrival of the Turkish Army, we are told that the desire for enosis has completely evaporated.

Is this a coincidence? Maybe, but when I hear GCs demanding to have all the Turkish Army removed, the Turkish guarantee removed, no independent foreign judges, no guarantees of TCs in any governmental departments, everyone of Turkish extraction deported and a unitary state which GCs would dominate ... well, it does make you wonder what they want to do with this new Hellenic state they will then have.

[BC Numismatics]

Observer,there would never be a Hellenic state in Cyprus,as Cyprus is neither Greek nor Turkish,but Cypriot!

The ideology of Enosis is dead & buried,but the ideology of Taksim has not been buried yet.

Aidan.

[DT.]

You see, what worries me and others is that GCs spent much of the 1950s trying to shoot and bomb their way to enosis. In an independent country GCs then spent the early part of the 1960s trying to bomb and shoot their way to enosis. GCs then spent the later part of the 1960s trying to evict TCs through political and economic means so that they could have enosis. This was rather slow, so in the 1970s some GCs went back to the bomb and the gun.

Since the arrival of the Turkish Army, we are told that the desire for enosis has completely evaporated.

Is this a coincidence? Maybe, but when I hear GCs demanding to have all the Turkish Army removed, the Turkish guarantee removed, no independent foreign judges, no guarantees of TCs in any governmental departments, everyone of Turkish extraction deported and a unitary state which GCs would dominate ... well, it does make you wonder what they want to do with this new Hellenic state they will then have.

for the last time....WE ARE IN THE EU.....ENOSIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED (with Greece, Denmark, Italy, Sweden....etc)! there, that wasn't too bad was it?

[BC Numismatics]

DT.,Enosis has been dead & buried for years! The E.U. is not a country,nor can it be a country.The same goes for the 'TRNC'.

Aidan.

[Expatkiwi]

Unfortunately, Aidan, the people living in TRNC think that they live in their own country.

[zan]

You see, what worries me and others is that GCs spent much of the 1950s trying to shoot and bomb their way to enosis. In an independent country GCs then spent the early part of the 1960s trying to bomb and shoot their way to enosis. GCs then spent the later part of the 1960s trying to evict TCs through political and economic means so that they could have enosis. This was rather slow, so in the 1970s some GCs went back to the bomb and the gun.

Since the arrival of the Turkish Army, we are told that the desire for enosis has completely evaporated.

Is this a coincidence? Maybe, but when I hear GCs demanding to have all the Turkish Army removed, the Turkish guarantee removed, no independent foreign judges, no guarantees of TCs in any governmental departments, everyone of Turkish extraction deported and a unitary state which GCs would dominate ... well, it does make you wonder what they want to do with this new Hellenic state they will then have.

for the last time....WE ARE IN THE EU.....ENOSIS HAS ALREADY HAPPENED (with Greece, Denmark, Italy, Sweden....etc)! there, that wasn't too bad was it?

Only the part in the South Guv..The TRNC/KKTC has been saved...Hurra!!!!