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Postby DT. » Mon Feb 11, 2008 12:40 pm

zan wrote:
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BC Numismatics wrote:This proves that a Nuremburg-style trial needs to be held to judge those who are suspected in participating in acts of human rights abuses against the Cypriot people.Turkey has got a lot to answer for,as does Greece.Those who are guilty of committing murders deserve nothing less than the Saddam Hussein treatment.

Aidan.


Start with your leader then..He rounded up my brother inlaws family along with Samson and nearly killed his sister in the concentration camps the women were put in..We all know what happened to the men :evil: :evil: :evil:


How the hell could Tpap work with sampson? Tpap was a Makarios follower and was one of the first to be jailed during sampsons coup? Why does it not surprise me that you continue on your path without giving 2 shits about facts?



Was there ever a time before the coup DT....... :roll: :roll: Oh yeh! Selective memory syndrome.......1963...a good year for dying!!!!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:


when in doubt resort to slogans ei Zan? :roll:

1974 a good year for living?
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Postby halil » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:18 pm

REMAINS OF FIVE MARTYRS WILL BE BURIED THIS WEEK
The remains of five Turkish Cypriot men will be handed to their families this week.

Their remains were unearthed and identified by the Committee of Missing Persons Committee which has been continuing intense work to find the remains of Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot missing persons.

The remains of the five Turkish Cypriot men were found during exhumations in South Cyprus.

The remains of Fehim Hüseyin and Kamil Hüseyin Kuşuri – who went missing in 1964, and Ahmet Cemal, Erdoğan Enver and Ünal Adil who went missing in 1974, will be handed over to their families on Friday.

A military ceremony will be held for the five martyrs at the Lefkoşa Martyrs’ Cemetery on the same day.

The burial ceremony will start at 10.00 o’clock in the morning.

Hüseyin Hergüner – the son of martyr Ahmet Cemal - will deliver a speech at the ceremony which will end with prayers.

Meanwhile, the remains of Kamil Hüseyin Kuşuri will be buried on Saturday at the Tuzla cemetery by the side of his wife’s grave on the request of his family.
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 11, 2008 4:58 pm

DT. wrote:
zan wrote:
DT. wrote:
zan wrote:
BC Numismatics wrote:This proves that a Nuremburg-style trial needs to be held to judge those who are suspected in participating in acts of human rights abuses against the Cypriot people.Turkey has got a lot to answer for,as does Greece.Those who are guilty of committing murders deserve nothing less than the Saddam Hussein treatment.

Aidan.


Start with your leader then..He rounded up my brother inlaws family along with Samson and nearly killed his sister in the concentration camps the women were put in..We all know what happened to the men :evil: :evil: :evil:


How the hell could Tpap work with sampson? Tpap was a Makarios follower and was one of the first to be jailed during sampsons coup? Why does it not surprise me that you continue on your path without giving 2 shits about facts?



Was there ever a time before the coup DT....... :roll: :roll: Oh yeh! Selective memory syndrome.......1963...a good year for dying!!!!!!!! :roll: :roll: :roll:


when in doubt resort to slogans ei Zan? :roll:

1974 a good year for living?


You keep forgetting about the years before 1974 and making a complete fool of yourself as to where and what Tpap was doing in 1963 and then say that I resort to slogans...Forgetting will not work DT...Get that into your head.....People like me will be here to remind you... 8) 8)
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Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:31 pm

...indeed, and I will be here as well to remind both of you that all of us must rise up, change ourselves, so that the animosity created by the adversarial regimes do not swallow us as well.
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:48 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:...indeed, and I will be here as well to remind both of you that all of us must rise up, change ourselves, so that the animosity created by the adversarial regimes do not swallow us as well.


And you are most welcome RW. If I thought that all there was left were people like these then my anger would really take over........
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Postby repulsewarrior » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:17 pm

thank you zan, it is good to know, ...and it is good to remember that we are all in the same boat.

DT., I may not agree with zan all the time, many times i am disappointed, but his aim is a united Cyprus that is free of bigotry. His constant reminder of the things passed, from a time before 1974, are valid, and cannot be ignored. In essence they are a root, but not the only one, to the Cyprus Problem. Isolating 1964 from 1974, serves no interest except for those which serve the impasse.

Similarly, the proxy war that Turks and Greeks fight on this island must end. As Cypriots we cannot end our misery if we continue to place our "Greekness" or our "Turkishness" before this love we have for this island.
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Postby christos1 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:24 pm

Bananiot wrote:Today I attended the funeral service in Larnaca for a man from my village (Gypsos - Acova) called Kkitros who was a neighbour of mine and went to school with his eldest son. He was missing since September 1974 and recently his bones were identified in a mass grave in Tziaos, a Turkish Cypriot village half way between Gypsos and Nicosia. Sevgul Uludag was there too and Kkitos's grandson, who spoke at the funeral, expressed the gratitude of the family to Sevgul for her hard work in pinpointing the mass grave.

The grandson of the diseased, who I learned later is a practicing lawyer, explained to those that attended in a packed church that his grandfather was alive after the Turkish army took over the village. There were many people that were left behind when the Turkish army moved in and these people were initially treated fairly well. Then, the mass graves at Aloa and Sandalaris were found, containing the mutilated bodies of about 100 Turkish Cypriots (mainly women and children) murdered by Greek Cypriots and this enraged the Turkish Cypriots, many of whom called for revenge. While many people were released, Kkitros, along with 6 other people were taken off the car that was taking them to Nicosia and executed in Tziaos.

The family of murdered Kkitros, found the strength to point an accusing finger, not at the Turks in general, in the way nationalist Greek Cypriots do, but at the real enemy of Cyprus as a whole, that is, the racist/chauvinists of both sides, who even today are plotting for the downfall of our country that will most certainly be achieved if their nationalist agendas are not blocked by the healthy thinking people of Cyprus, like the family of Kkitros.


You think is bazar. More Greek Cypriot bodies of the missing were found now, are you also going to blame the Greek Cypriots for this. Your thinking is backward and for you info. Turks themselves killed a lot of Turkish Cypriots

Turkey has been found guilty on:
VIOLATIONS AGAINST TURKISH CYPRIOTS
Relevant Articles of the European Convention on Human Rights:
'Inhuman or degrading treatmentt (Article 3);

'The right to liberty and security off persons (Article 5);

'Fair and public hearing by an independent and impartial tribunal established by law (Article 6);

'The right to respect for his private and family life, his home.... (Article 8);

'Peaceful enjoyment of his possessions; (Article 1 to Protocol No. 1). Although direct evidence was difficult to obtain because Greek Cypriots and the Government of the Republic were (and are) denied all access to the occupied area, it was apparent from statements by Turkish Cypriots who had escaped to the free area, from the Turkish Cypriot opposition press, from reports by members of the international press and by members of international organisations that Turkish Cypriots were suffering continuous violation of their rights at the hands of Turkey. These violations fall into two categories:
Oppressive acts by Anatolian settlers from Turkey, encouraged and or countenanced by the presence of the Turkish Armed Forces; and
prevention of any return by Turkish Cypriots (who were transferred at Turkey's demand from the Government-controlled area in 1974-1975 to the occupied area) to their homes and properties in the Government-controlled area and denial of any exercise of their rights in respect of such property. In respect of both categories of violations no effective remedy exists. Turkey's defence: At the admissibility stage, Turkey put forward jurisdictional objections, alleging that Cyprus' application was an abuse of the Convention's procedure in that it complained about Turkey's treatment of Turkish Cypriots purely for propaganda purposes and expressed 'false and mock concern for their well-being. The Commission rejected this contention. Regarding the merits stage it should be borne in mind that Turkey's attitude, manifested in the first two applications, was to refuse to participate in Commission proceedings - in default of her procedural obligations under the Convention once her jurisdictional objections were overruled. Tukey did not appear at the oral hearing in March 1983. Commission‹s verdict:
'The Commission, having regard to the material before it, finds that it does not have sufficient available evidence enabling it to come to any conclusion regarding this complaints.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:28 pm

The Turks bury their dead to hide the evidence.... :evil:

All other decent Humans bury their dead to perpetuate the continuity of organic life. :(

A matter of perception, methinks!
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Postby repulsewarrior » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:33 pm

[quote]The family of murdered Kkitros, found the strength to point an accusing finger, not at the Turks in general, in the way nationalist Greek Cypriots do, but at the real enemy of Cyprus as a whole, that is, the racist/chauvinists of both sides, who even today are plotting for the downfall of our country that will most certainly be achieved if their nationalist agendas are not blocked by the healthy thinking people of Cyprus, like the family of Kkitros.[quote/]
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Postby christos1 » Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:38 pm

repulsewarrior wrote:
The family of murdered Kkitros, found the strength to point an accusing finger, not at the Turks in general, in the way nationalist Greek Cypriots do, but at the real enemy of Cyprus as a whole, that is, the racist/chauvinists of both sides, who even today are plotting for the downfall of our country that will most certainly be achieved if their nationalist agendas are not blocked by the healthy thinking people of Cyprus, like the family of Kkitros.[quote/]


The problim is you take Baninet sp? to seriously. Not only are Greek Cypriots to blame for the Greek Cypriots that were murdured but because of this "fact" he tells us this is why Papadopoulos should not be reelected. How do you even make the connection?
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