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It wasn't just her parents who taught her her racism and hate against anything Turkish, she also learned it in the school, university and even in the church.

Do you mean like the way they teach young Turks to slit the throats of their sisters in case their uncle rapes them to preserve the family "honor"? Or how they teach you the burn-the-Patriarch-mock-up techinque? Save it, you WISH your miserably failing educating system was anything close to the Greek one. Now go protest with the rest of your gray wolves pack because a bunch of girls wearing headscarves are about to dissolve your precious kemalist secular state. Pathetic....

good point , alexiss. this was my point in one of the otehr threads. no one knows the things phoenix has seen or experienced in her life to cause this dislike of turks, but it's not up to me to judge. i have better things to do with my life than worry about what other people do with theirs. i think CY would be alot better off if everyone worried more about themselves and thier families rather than their neightbors or even forum members think or do.

GG, I have to ask if your 'love' that you keep telling us about is GC, TC or just Cypriot? I ask as I think he may well be GC, hence your response.

It does not matter what you have seen and done in your life, there is no excuse for racism. Points of view are better received if done without the obvious hatred and total disregard for the readers

Bubbles x

my love is a GC, and i find him to be a bit racist in some attitudes, although i know he has friends that are TC. he spent alot of time in the USA, which i am sure has taught him some tolerance. however, his family was displaced in 1974, and i think it is somewhat understandable.

and yes, i agree all racism is inexcusable. but one also has to understand where it comes from.

but may i ask you--Bubbles-- you are not a cypriot, are you? greek or turkish?

No, I am not Cypriot, GC, TC, Greek or Turkish gori mou. English and proud of it - something else I get attacked for, but hey! It is Sunday, maybe people will be kind today. What do you reckon?

Bubbles x

[GorillaGal]

i just read in another thread that Bubbles is not a cypriot, greek or tyurkish, which is what i thought. (it's sometimes difficult to keep so many forum members straight). i wonder if bubbles was in cyprus in 1974? all i know is that if i was forced to flee my home, never to return, had friends or family killed or tortured/raped, perhaps witnessed some atrocities, i don't think i would come out of that ever trusting the perpatrators again. i know i continue to struggle with certain nationalities myself, being a New Yorker post 9-11 events. i do not consider myself racist at all, but i know i will keep a safe distance from certain peoples.

[zan]

i just read in another thread that Bubbles is not a cypriot, greek or tyurkish, which is what i thought. (it's sometimes difficult to keep so many forum members straight). i wonder if bubbles was in cyprus in 1974? all i know is that if i was forced to flee my home, never to return, had friends or family killed or tortured/raped, perhaps witnessed some atrocities, i don't think i would come out of that ever trusting the perpatrators again. i know i continue to struggle with certain nationalities myself, being a New Yorker post 9-11 events. i do not consider myself racist at all, but i know i will keep a safe distance from certain peoples.

Then I hope you have the same sympathy for me and thousands more like me GG...We were the victims of the 60's though....

[GorillaGal]

It wasn't just her parents who taught her her racism and hate against anything Turkish, she also learned it in the school, university and even in the church.

Do you mean like the way they teach young Turks to slit the throats of their sisters in case their uncle rapes them to preserve the family "honor"? Or how they teach you the burn-the-Patriarch-mock-up techinque? Save it, you WISH your miserably failing educating system was anything close to the Greek one. Now go protest with the rest of your gray wolves pack because a bunch of girls wearing headscarves are about to dissolve your precious kemalist secular state. Pathetic....

good point , alexiss. this was my point in one of the otehr threads. no one knows the things phoenix has seen or experienced in her life to cause this dislike of turks, but it's not up to me to judge. i have better things to do with my life than worry about what other people do with theirs. i think CY would be alot better off if everyone worried more about themselves and thier families rather than their neightbors or even forum members think or do.

Both of you have absolutely no idea of what the hell you are talking about but you talk just to make a noise and to hear your voices.

GG, if you have better things to do in your life what the hell are you doing getting mixed up in this thread or any other thread that has to do with Cyprus? Why do you worry what other are saying and not restrict your worries to yourself and your family? Or are you getting mixed up and agreeing with racists because maybe you are another Turk hater yourself?

The only bad thing that happened to "phoenix" and other racists Greek/GC idiots in and outside of this forum is that racism was pushed down their throats by their parents, schools, society and even their Church. And if you want to justify their racism then you are no better than they are.

re headscarf: You agree with the racist alexiss about wearing of headscarves in Turkey without even maybe realising that it is also against the law in many EU countries.

BTW, just to educate you and others wearing headscarves are no longer against the law in Turkey. Now we will see the racist and Islam haters come back and accuse Turkey again of being a "deep Muslim" country and that it has no place in a Christian EU just because it now allows the wearing of headscarves.

What I am interested in is to see what you will say when the racist idiots again accuse Turkey of being a "deep Muslim" country.

you have no idea what you are talking about, eric..... i have both greek, cypriot and turkish friends. i dated a turk or two in my life. (they are great kissers by the way!) and i am in love with a GC. so don't tell me i don't belong here, or that i don't know what i am talking about.
are you suggesting that the events of 1974 wree made up in hollywood, like when we landed on the moon? i suppose you still believe the world is flat?
racism is one thing, if you just don't like another culture or race for whatever reason, but to actually be apart of a war, or witness mass crimes by one society on another.... that is a totally different thing. i am sorry your mind is too closed to see that.

[GorillaGal]

i just read in another thread that Bubbles is not a cypriot, greek or tyurkish, which is what i thought. (it's sometimes difficult to keep so many forum members straight). i wonder if bubbles was in cyprus in 1974? all i know is that if i was forced to flee my home, never to return, had friends or family killed or tortured/raped, perhaps witnessed some atrocities, i don't think i would come out of that ever trusting the perpatrators again. i know i continue to struggle with certain nationalities myself, being a New Yorker post 9-11 events. i do not consider myself racist at all, but i know i will keep a safe distance from certain peoples.

Then I hope you have the same sympathy for me and thousands more like me GG...We were the victims of the 60's though....

zan, i have great respect for you, and your people.
for goodness sake, i am a belly dancer (not a good one, but a bellydancer all the same!) i love the turkish culture, and the people that i know.
and as for the 60's and the 70's..... there are alot of factors involved, and as a total outsider, i see both sides.

[webbo]

i just read in another thread that Bubbles is not a cypriot, greek or tyurkish, which is what i thought. (it's sometimes difficult to keep so many forum members straight). i wonder if bubbles was in cyprus in 1974? all i know is that if i was forced to flee my home, never to return, had friends or family killed or tortured/raped, perhaps witnessed some atrocities, i don't think i would come out of that ever trusting the perpatrators again. i know i continue to struggle with certain nationalities myself, being a New Yorker post 9-11 events. i do not consider myself racist at all, but i know i will keep a safe distance from certain peoples.

In all fairness GG, you do not know about my life and that is how I will keep it.
I can see your point re 1974, but some people harbor very deep hatred and racist feelings. Some parents - and I have said only some not all - really do teach their children to hate the Turks (I cannot say what goes on in the North of the island as I live in the South!) You cannot honestly think that this is a way forward? Surely?

Bubbles x

[Eric dayi]

thanks for the PM

Bubbles x

PS Webbo says good riddance!

You are a sad and sorry individual, unable to take responsibility.

My PM was only in response to your unexpected initiating one which was your supercilious and pathetic attempt at finding out whether there would be a reversal of the mess you made.

Please reflect on what I said for the sake of future forumers.

BTW: I am only still around, as I am finishing off responses and checking for Admin's advice. I will switch off for good as soon as a few more loose ends are tied up.

And to all the Greeks and Cypriots .... You are all doing a great job .... never stop.

You just do not get sarcasm do you?

I am not the racist here, so any mess is of your own doing. You should heed your own advice and take responsibility for your actions.
I will never heed your advice - the advice of a racist. You have got to be having a laugh. You should be ashamed of yourself. Is this what your parents taught you..........................It is one thing to have your views and beliefs, but to be such an outright racist is just incredible

Mankind does not need people like you around. I and many like me are very pleased that you have chosen to leave - again, though let's face it, we all know you will be back with your racist rantings!

Read the PM again!

Bubbles x

It wasn't just her parents who taught her her racism and hate against anything Turkish, she also learned it in the school, university and even in the church.

And yes, she will be back, more than likely under a different name, she is, after all the forums sock-puppet master with loads of experience in sock-puppet creation. Racists like "phoenix" can't stay away when they know they have free hand to say and do whatever they like without the fear from forum Admin even trying to put a stop to their racism. Showing their racism and spewing racist remarks is bread and water to her kind, she can't live without it.

Oh dear, I hope I have not lost one from the South to gain one in the North!?!?!

Bubbles x

Don't worry dear, your lost is insignificant but your gain is massive. And if you are even implying that I am in the same low level gutter as the racist "phoenix" or as the other racist GC scum you have a lot to prove.

I am a partitionist and do not want to live under the rule of or even together with racist people who hate my guts just for being a Turkish Cypriot and if you think that is racist then you have a lot to learn.

I am always trying to learn - that is life! Just seemed to me that some of your posts were a bit on the racist side, hence my statement

Bubbles x

I attack and swear at certain individuals and EOKA terrorist scum who tried to kill me, my family and my fellow TCs in 1963 and who are trying to make this historical fact disappear and make everyone believe the war started in 1974.

I also attack those forum members who threatened to beat me up, threatened to kill me and threatened to post my personal details on open forums putting my and my families lives at risk.

Your country was under attack from the Nazis and it defended itself.

You yourself was attacked by the vicious racist "phoenix" and defended yourself, will you then not allow me to defend myself when I am under attack or do you expect me to turn the other cheek?

Swearing at individual is not racism.

Stating the fact that 96% of the GCs wanted ENOSIS and tried to genocide us TCs for their dream is not being racist.

Stating the fact that the GCs still want to be the sole rulers/ owners of the whole island of Cyprus so that they can do whatever they like, even ENOSIS, isn't racist.

Not wanting to live with people who hate my guts just for being a Turkish Cypriot and not allowing them to force me to forget my Turkishness isn't racist.

Wanting my own country away from people who hate me isn't racist.

[GorillaGal]

i just read in another thread that Bubbles is not a cypriot, greek or tyurkish, which is what i thought. (it's sometimes difficult to keep so many forum members straight). i wonder if bubbles was in cyprus in 1974? all i know is that if i was forced to flee my home, never to return, had friends or family killed or tortured/raped, perhaps witnessed some atrocities, i don't think i would come out of that ever trusting the perpatrators again. i know i continue to struggle with certain nationalities myself, being a New Yorker post 9-11 events. i do not consider myself racist at all, but i know i will keep a safe distance from certain peoples.

In all fairness GG, you do not know about my life and that is how I will keep it.
I can see your point re 1974, but some people harbor very deep hatred and racist feelings. Some parents - and I have said only some not all - really do teach their children to hate the Turks (I cannot say what goes on in the North of the island as I live in the South!) You cannot honestly think that this is a way forward? Surely?

Bubbles x

you are finally getting the point!!!!!! i don't know about your life, so i shouldn't judge you? that is the whole idea as far as Phoenix is concerned as well.

and yes, it may not be right for a parent to pass on thier racist feelings to thier children, but what kind of a parent would you be if you didn't warn your children about the people who hurt you and your family before you were born?
i grew up in a household with a grumpy old german grandfatehr who served in WW1 and learned to hate thge italians. my best friend was italian, and although i heard it all, it did not affect the way i feel towards them.

[GorillaGal]

attitudes are not going to change overnight. the recent events in CY will not be forgotten, ever. however, as long as there are people living who remember those events, the pain and the distrust, and the racism will never go away.
i can sit and cry at any moment if i think about 9-11 and what happened to the WTC and the people in them. i can not watch anything pertaining to that without feeling emense emotions. however, let it og a generation or two, when the people will be learning about it in school history classes. to them it will be history, it will not make them cry like it does me. D-Day (dec. 8?) is the day pearl harbor got bombed. that was before my time. i have no emotions at all over that. but let's talk 9-11, and it will stir up alot in me.
well, i think it is the same for the cypriots, both GCs and TCs. so bubbles, why not let the cypriots have thier own feelings about it, and the people involved. it may not be right, but it is very real.

[Eric dayi]

It wasn't just her parents who taught her her racism and hate against anything Turkish, she also learned it in the school, university and even in the church.

Do you mean like the way they teach young Turks to slit the throats of their sisters in case their uncle rapes them to preserve the family "honor"? Or how they teach you the burn-the-Patriarch-mock-up techinque? Save it, you WISH your miserably failing educating system was anything close to the Greek one. Now go protest with the rest of your gray wolves pack because a bunch of girls wearing headscarves are about to dissolve your precious kemalist secular state. Pathetic....

good point , alexiss. this was my point in one of the otehr threads. no one knows the things phoenix has seen or experienced in her life to cause this dislike of turks, but it's not up to me to judge. i have better things to do with my life than worry about what other people do with theirs. i think CY would be alot better off if everyone worried more about themselves and thier families rather than their neightbors or even forum members think or do.

Both of you have absolutely no idea of what the hell you are talking about but you talk just to make a noise and to hear your voices.

GG, if you have better things to do in your life what the hell are you doing getting mixed up in this thread or any other thread that has to do with Cyprus? Why do you worry what other are saying and not restrict your worries to yourself and your family? Or are you getting mixed up and agreeing with racists because maybe you are another Turk hater yourself?

The only bad thing that happened to "phoenix" and other racists Greek/GC idiots in and outside of this forum is that racism was pushed down their throats by their parents, schools, society and even their Church. And if you want to justify their racism then you are no better than they are.

re headscarf: You agree with the racist alexiss about wearing of headscarves in Turkey without even maybe realising that it is also against the law in many EU countries.

BTW, just to educate you and others wearing headscarves are no longer against the law in Turkey. Now we will see the racist and Islam haters come back and accuse Turkey again of being a "deep Muslim" country and that it has no place in a Christian EU just because it now allows the wearing of headscarves.

What I am interested in is to see what you will say when the racist idiots again accuse Turkey of being a "deep Muslim" country.

you have no idea what you are talking about, eric..... i have both greek, cypriot and turkish friends. i dated a turk or two in my life. (they are great kissers by the way!) and i am in love with a GC. so don't tell me i don't belong here, or that i don't know what i am talking about.
are you suggesting that the events of 1974 wree made up in hollywood, like when we landed on the moon? i suppose you still believe the world is flat?
racism is one thing, if you just don't like another culture or race for whatever reason, but to actually be apart of a war, or witness mass crimes by one society on another.... that is a totally different thing. i am sorry your mind is too closed to see that.

I am afraid your mind is too closed to see what and why it all started in Cyprus GG, I was there in 1963 and saw it with my own eyes, were you at the moon landing to tell us that it really happened?

I doubt very much that "phoenix" was even in Cyprus in 1963 or in 1974 and her racism and hate comes from reading Greek and Ottoman history like most of the racist Greeks and GCs in this forum. Because they can't take "revenge" on the Ottoman they not want to take their 500 year old anger out on us TCs and are angry and frustrated that Turkey did not/does not allow them to.

If you want to talk about mass crimes perpetrated on us TCs by the GREEKS and GCs together then start talking about 1963 through to 1974 and not just what allegedly the Turks did in 1974.

BTW, I never said you don't belong here I just asked you what you are doing here if you are not interested in what others say.