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Postby umit07 » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:17 pm

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umit07 wrote:Ok piratis keep on waiting. That isn't a problem for us.


Umit, we are forced to wait because today you will not allow democracy and human rights. So we have no alternative.

That might not be a problem for you today, since after all you currently gain on our loss. But remember that when you are trying to build something on land that does not belong to you and with ehtnic cleansing as its foundation, it will sooner or later collapse, and when it will collapse it will take you down with it.

So if you look at it a bit deeper than just the surface you will see that you also have a problem.



Why not it worked fine for you didn't it? You like to say that the island was greekafied 3000 years ago, so by your logic we should be ok in a hundred year time. You like to uses words like "democracy" and "legal" only when it suits you, sorry but you shouldn't have used the "Zurich Agreements" as toilet paper for your arse. GC's played the game and ended up with it's consequences. TOUGH LUCK.
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:21 pm

Piratis, it is your right to question the validity of the gallops which show that Papadopoulos is mainly supported by the conservative elderly and the less educated. I wonder, however, whether you object to all findings of the gallops, because the same gallops show Papadoulos leading the race.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:05 pm

Bananiot wrote:Piratis, it is your right to question the validity of the gallops which show that Papadopoulos is mainly supported by the conservative elderly and the less educated. I wonder, however, whether you object to all findings of the gallops, because the same gallops show Papadoulos leading the race.


Bananiot, I am glad you smelled the defeat and you are already trying to make up excuses for your predicted loss.

Papadopoulos receives support from all age groups and all intelligent people who love their country. In all age groups he receives around 30% or more.

The "less educated" ones are the ones who support Christofias. I haven't seen any polls that support what you say, maybe they are your own polls?
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Postby Piratis » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:08 pm

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umit07 wrote:Ok piratis keep on waiting. That isn't a problem for us.


Umit, we are forced to wait because today you will not allow democracy and human rights. So we have no alternative.

That might not be a problem for you today, since after all you currently gain on our loss. But remember that when you are trying to build something on land that does not belong to you and with ehtnic cleansing as its foundation, it will sooner or later collapse, and when it will collapse it will take you down with it.

So if you look at it a bit deeper than just the surface you will see that you also have a problem.



Why not it worked fine for you didn't it? You like to say that the island was greekafied 3000 years ago, so by your logic we should be ok in a hundred year time. You like to uses words like "democracy" and "legal" only when it suits you, sorry but you shouldn't have used the "Zurich Agreements" as toilet paper for your arse. GC's played the game and ended up with it's consequences. TOUGH LUCK.


Democracy means to allow the people to take their own decisions for their own country. Not the colonialist to force somehting on us against our will.
This is our island. The Ottoman empire is over. Your minority can stay on this island as equal Cypriot citizens but you have no right to impose undemocratically your own will. We are not part of the Ottoman or the British empires anymore.
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:34 pm

zan wrote:ANNOUNCEMENT BY THE MOVEMENT AGAINST NATIONALISM

Shameful interview by Papadopoulos, President of Greek community in Cyprus

On 11 September 2004 the Cypriot newspaper Politis published an extraordinary article by the journalist Makarios Drousiotis under the title Contractors of division, drowning in blood. In the article Mr. Drousiotis refers to an interview granted by the President of the Greek community in Cyprus to the journalist Mohamet Galadari of the newspaper Haleej Times.
In the interview Mr. Papadopoulos states more or less that ‘in 1963-64 it was the Turkish Cypriots who perpetrated massacres’.
On 13 May 2003 the Cypriot Ministry of Foreign Affairs published a list of 500 missing Turkish Cypriots, who disappeared during the period 1963-64, 1967 and 1974 (see http://www.mfa.gov.cy ). The ministry also sought information from anyone with knowledge of how these individuals disappeared, promising that such information would be treated as confidential.
The Movement against Nationalism will do its utmost to provide information on the murdered Turkish Cypriots, while at the same time releasing the Cypriot ministry from the undertaking of confidentiality it has given.
More specifically, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs states that of a total of 500 missing Turkish Cypriots, 219 disappeared in the years 1963-64, 5 in the year 1967 and 276 in the period of the Turkish invasion in 1974.
Of the 219 Turkish Cypriots who disappeared in 1963, the ministry mentions 26 who were last seen in Omorfita, the Turkish suburb of Nicosia.
Here we believe the ministry has committed a massive statistical error. It is well known that around Christmas 1963 the paramilitaries of Sampson, Georgatzis and Lyssaridis carried out an assault on Omorfita and, according to the Report to the Security Council by the UN General Secretary (No. S/5950 – 10 September 1964) destroyed 50 houses altogether and seriously damaged another 240.
In respect of human casualties, the same paramilitary forces took prisoner at Omorfita 500 Turkish Cypriots, with another 150 from the village of Kumsal, and took them to the Kukkos school in Nicosia. Of these 650 prisoners, 150 were separated from the others and forcibly removed from the school on Christmas Day. An English teacher from the school reported the sound of shooting shortly after the prisoners’ removal. She was herself flown out of Cyprus on the same day by the British authorities, for security reasons. The notorious photograph remains as a perpetual reminder of this terrorist crime, showing a triumphant Sampson returning that day from Omorfita like ‘a latter-day Leonidas at Thermopylae’, holding a Turkish flag and dragging behind him, shamelessly, a group of Turkish mothers with their infant children in their arms. The terrorist was extolled by the Greek Cypriot press as the ‘Liberator of Omorfita’.
We therefore advise the Cypriot Ministry of Foreign Affairs not to seek on the internet for those with knowledge of how these Turkish Cypriots disappeared, since all the ministry need do is ask the surviving paramilitary and Cypriot MP, Lyssaridis, along with those of his ‘comrades’ who were involved in the disappearances. They will be able to provide all too precise information.
The Movement against Nationalism will not refer to the many examples of violence by Greek Cypriot paramilitaries against civilian Turkish Cypriots; the hypocritical charade being enacted by the Greek Cypriot Ministry of Foreign Affairs is devoid of all real meaning. We shall just mention the murders carried out by Greek Cypriot paramilitaries of 22 Turkish Cypriot patients at the Nicosia hospital, and those committed at the Turkish Cypriot village of Koumsal.
One of the more shocking crimes at the village in question was that of three infants and their mother, slain in the bathroom of their house. The woman was the wife of the Turkish doctor and officer in the Turkish forces in Cyprus, Major Ilhan.
As for President Papadopoulos, we are aware that Mr. Verhoegen, EU Commissioner, has publicly denounced him for deception, using on the record the phrase ‘he deceived us’. The verb ‘to deceive’ constitutes a serious accusation in Europe, where a politician charged with deception must either refute the accusation or disappear permanently from the political scene – there are numerous examples of politicians who have suffered such a fate.
The condition laid down by the UN General Secretary for acting as mediator in the talks between Greek and Turkish Cypriots in Switzerland was that each side should promise publicly that in the event of an agreement between them they would accept the additional terms imposed by Mr. Annan. Mr. Papadopoulos publicly pledged his acceptance of this condition.
However, the tearful message of Mr. Papadopoulos to the Cypriot people on the eve of the referendum demonstrated the very opposite – demonstrated, in fact, the politics of dishonesty.
Of particular interest is the following reference by Mr. Drousiotis in his article of 11 September 2004: ‘Mr. Papadopoulos, who was a member of the political system and the unofficial apparatus which was responsible for the crimes that have divided our people, has nothing to say in his interviews except that the other side is to blame’.
According to information published in the past in the Greek and Greek Cypriot press, and in various other sources, Mr. Papadopoulos was a close friend and collaborator of Georgatzis and his paramilitary organization. We also learn from the press that Mr. Papadopoulos is married to the widow of Georgatzis; if this is true, it does at least indicate that the President had close ties with the Georgatzis family.
Finally, if everything reported in the press and the interview with Mr. Drousiotis is true, then the bulk of the responsibility is not borne solely by Mr. Papadopoulos, but mainly by the AKEL – the Cypriot Communist Party – which supports and maintains in office a man with such an unattractive past.
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Postby Expatkiwi » Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:35 pm

Piratis wrote:Democracy means to allow the people to take their own decisions for their own country. Not the colonialist to force somehting on us against our will.
This is our island. The Ottoman empire is over. Your minority can stay on this island as equal Cypriot citizens but you have no right to impose undemocratically your own will. We are not part of the Ottoman or the British empires anymore.


The problem, Piratis, is that the Greek Cypriot majority DIDN'T want the Turkish Cypriot minority to be equal Cypriot citizens. That was what started the intercommunal fighting in late 1963...
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:02 pm

Expatkiwi wrote:
Piratis wrote:Democracy means to allow the people to take their own decisions for their own country. Not the colonialist to force somehting on us against our will.
This is our island. The Ottoman empire is over. Your minority can stay on this island as equal Cypriot citizens but you have no right to impose undemocratically your own will. We are not part of the Ottoman or the British empires anymore.


The problem, Piratis, is that the Greek Cypriot majority DIDN'T want the Turkish Cypriot minority to be equal Cypriot citizens. That was what started the intercommunal fighting in late 1963...

They were not "equal Cypriot citizens" because their mere 18.4% of total population was given 30% of the House of Representatives and all governmental, administrative and state posts, 40% of the security forces, and a vice president with veto power. This Constitution, which had been imposed by foreign powers, was completely unacceptable to the GC community.
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:07 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:
Piratis wrote:Democracy means to allow the people to take their own decisions for their own country. Not the colonialist to force somehting on us against our will.
This is our island. The Ottoman empire is over. Your minority can stay on this island as equal Cypriot citizens but you have no right to impose undemocratically your own will. We are not part of the Ottoman or the British empires anymore.


The problem, Piratis, is that the Greek Cypriot majority DIDN'T want the Turkish Cypriot minority to be equal Cypriot citizens. That was what started the intercommunal fighting in late 1963...

They were not "equal Cypriot citizens" because their mere 18.4% of total population was given 30% of the House of Representatives and all governmental, administrative and state posts, 40% of the security forces, and a vice president with veto power. This Constitution, which had been imposed by foreign powers, was completely unacceptable to the GC community.


same old same old!!!
The Akritas Plan

The rising tensions of the early 1960s spurred the formation of paramilitary groups on both sides, and as the constitutional crisis came to a head in 1962-63, both prepared for violence. The Greek Cypriots were better armed and more ideologically driven, and appeared to welcome the crisis---possibly including Makarios's Thirteen Points, which it sets out as a course of action---as a likely provocation to Turkish Cypriots. An expected reaction from the Turkish Cypriot community, either to Makarios's constitutional gambit or some other incident, would in turn set the Greek Cypriot cadres into action. The plan for that action, revealed by a Greek Cypriot newspaper after the fact, was the so-called Akritas Plan, which is reproduced below.



The recent public statements of His Beatitude have outlined the course which our national issue will follow. As we have stressed in the past, national struggles are neither judged nor solved from day to day, nor is it possible to fix time limits for the achievement of the various stages of their development. Our national cause must always be examined and judged in the light of the conditions and developments of the moment, and the measures which will be taken, the tactics, and the time of implementing each measure must be determined by the conditions existing at the time, both internationally, and internally. The entire effort is trying and must necessarily pass through various stages, because the factors which influence the final result are many and varied. It is sufficient, however, that all should understand that the

measures which are prescribed now constitute only the first step, one simple stage towards the final and unalterable national objective, i.e., to the full and unfettered exercise of the right of self-determination of the people.

Since the purpose remains unalterable, what remains is to examine the subject of tactics. It is necessary to divide the subject of tactics under two headings, that is: internal tactics and external, since in each case both the presentation and the handling of our cause will be different.

A. External tactics (international).

During the recent stages of our national struggle the Cyprus problem has been presented to diplomatic circles as a demand for the exercise of the right of self-determination by the people of Cyprus. In securing the right of self-determination obstacles have been created by the well-known conditions, the existence of a Turkish minority, by the inter-communal conflict and the attempts to show that co-existence of both communities under one government was impossible. Finally, for many international circles the problem was solved by the London and Zurich Agreements, a solution which was presented as the result of negotiations and agreement between the two sides.

a) Consequently, our first target has been to cultivate internationally the impression that the Cyprus problem has not really been solved an the solution requires revision.

b) Our first objective was our endeavour to be vindicated as the Greek majority and to create the impression that:

(i) The solution given is neither satisfactory not fair;

(ii) The agreement reached was not the result of a free and voluntary acceptance of a compromise of the conflicting views;

(iii) That the revision of the agreements constitutes a compelling necessity for survival, and not an effort of the Greeks to repudiate their signature;

(iv) That the co-existence of the two communities is possible, and

(v) That the strong element on which foreign states ought to rely is the Greek majority and not the Turkish Cypriots.

c) All the above has required very difficult effort, and has been achieved to a satisfactory degree. Most of the foreign representatives have been convinced that the solution given was neither fair nor satisfactory, that it was signed under pressure and without real negotiations and that it was imposed under various threats. It is significant argument that the solution achieved has not been ratified by the people, because our leadership, acting wisely, avoided calling the people to ratify it by a plebiscite, which the people, in the 1959 spirit, would have done if called upon.

Generally, it has been established that the administration of Cyprus up to now has been carried out by the Greeks and that the Turks have confined themselves to a negative role.

d) Second objective. The first stage having been completed, we mus programme the second stage of our activities and objectives on the international level. These objectives in general can be outlined as follows:

(i) The Greek efforts are directed towards removing unreasonable and unfair provisions of administration and not to oppress the Turkish Cypriots;

(ii) The removal of these oppressive provisions must take place now because tomorrow it will be too late;

(iii) The removal of these provisions, despite the fact that this is reasonable and necessary, because of the unreasonable attitude of the Turks is not possible bv agreement, and therefore unilateral action is justified;

(iv) The issue of revision is an internal affair of the Cypriots and does not give the right of military or other intervention;

(v) The proposed amendments are reasonable, just, and safeguard the reasonable rights of the minority.

e) Today it has been generally demonstrated that the international climate is against every type of oppression and, more specifically, against the oppression of minorities. The Turks have already succeeded in persuading international opinion that union of Cyprus with Greece amounts to an attempt to enslave them. Further, it is estimated that we have better chances of succeeding in our efforts to influence international public opinion in our favour if we present our demand, as we did during the struggle, as a demand to exercise the right of self-determination, rather than as a demand for union with Greece (Enosis). In order, however, to secure the exercise of complete and free self-determination, we must get free of all those provisions of the constitution and of the agreements (Treaty of Guarantee, Treaty of Alliance) which prevent the free and unfettered expression and implementation of the wishes of our people and which create dangers of external intervention. It is for this reason that the first target of attack has been the Treaty of Guarantee, which was the first that was stated to be no longer recognised by the Greek Cypriots.

When this is achieved no legal or moral power can prevent us from deciding our future alone and freely and exercising the right of self-determination by a plebiscite.

From the above, the conclusion can be drawn that for the success of our plan a chain of actions is needed, each of which is necessary, otherwise, future actions will remain legally unjustified and politically unachieved, while at the same time we will expose our people and the country to serious consequences. The actions to be taken can be summed up as follows:

a) Amendment of the negative elements of the agreements and parallel abandonment of the Treaties of Guarantee and Alliance. This step is necessary because the need for amendments of the negative aspects of the treaties is generally accepted internationally and is considered justified (we can even justify unilateral action), while at the same time intervention from outside to prevent us amending them is unjustified and inapplicable;

b) As a result of our above actions, the Treaty of Guarantee (right of unilateral intervention) becomes legally and substantively inapplicable;

c) The people, once Cyprus is not bound by the restrictions of the Treaties of Guarantee and Alliance regarding the exercise of the right of self-determination, will be able to give expression to and implement their desire.

d) Legal confrontation by the forces of State of every internal or external intervention.

It is therefore obvious that if we hope to have any chance of success internationally in our above actions, we cannot and must not reveal or declare the various stages of the struggle before the previous one is completed. For instance, if it is accepted that the above four stages are necessary, then it is unthinkable to speak of amendments in stage (a) if stage (d) is revealed. How can it be possible to aim at the amendment of the negative aspects of the constitution by arguing that this is necessary for the functioning of the State if stage (d) is revealed?

The above relate to targets, aims and tactics in the international field. And now on the internal front:

B. Internal Front.

1. The only danger which could be described as insurmountable is the possibility of external intervention, by force, not so much because of the material damage, nor because of the danger itself (which, in the last analysis, it is possible for us to deal with partly or totally by force), but mainly because of the possible political consequences. Intervention is threatened or implemented before stage (c), then such intervention would be legally debatable, if not justified. This fact has a lot of weight both internationally and in the United Nations.

From the history of many recent instances we have learnt that in not a single case of intervention, whether legally justified or not, has either the United Nations or any other power succeeded in evicting the invader without serious concessions detrimental to the victim. Even in the case of the Israeli attack against Suez, which was condemned by almost all nations, and on which Soviet intervention was threatened, Israel withdrew, but received as a concession the port of Eilat on the Red Sea. Naturally, more serious dangers exist for Cyprus.

If, on the other hand, we consider and justify our action under (a) above well, on the one hand, intervention is not justified and, on the other, it cannot be carried out before consultations between the guarantors Greece, Turkey and the UK. It is at this stage of consultations (before intervention) that we need international support. We shall have it if the proposed amendments by us appear reasonable and justifiable.

Hence, the first objective is to avoid intervention by the choice of the amendments we would request in the first stage.

Tactics: We shall attempt to justify unilateral action for constitutional amendments once the efforts for a common agreement are excluded. As this stage the provisions in (ii) and (in) are applicable in parallel.

2. It is obvious that in order to justify intervention, a more serious reason must exist and a more immediate danger than a simple constitutional amendment.

Such a reason could be an immediate declaration of Enosis before stages (a) - (c) or serious inter-communal violence which would be presented as massacres of the Turks.

Reason (a) has already been dealt with in the first part and, consequently, it remains only to consider the danger of inter-communal violence. Since we do not intend, without provocation, to attack or kill Turks, the possibility remains that the Turkish Cypriots, as soon as we proceed to the unilateral amendment of any article of the constitution,

will react instinctively, creating incidents and clashes or stage, under orders, killings, atrocities or bomb attacks on Turks, in order to create the impression that the Greeks have indeed attacked the Turks, in which case intervention would be justified, for their protection.

Tactics. Our actions for constitutional amendments will be in the open and we will always appear ready for peaceful negotiations. Our actions will not be of a provocative or violent nature.

Should clashes occur, they will be dealt with in the initial stages legally by the legally established security forces, in accordance with a plan. All actions will be clothed in legal form.

3. Before the right of unilateral amendments of the constitution is established, decisions and actions which require positive violent acts, such as, for example, the use of force to unify the separate municipalities, must be avoided. Such a decision compels the Government to intervene by force to bring about the unification of municipal properties, which will probably compel the Turks to react violently. On the contrary, it is easier for us, using legal methods, to amend, for instance, the provision of the 70 to 30 ratio in the public service, when it is the Turks who will have to take positive violent action, while for us this procedure will not amount to action, but to refusal to act (to implement).

The same applies to the issue of the separate majorities with regard to taxation legislation.

These measures have already been considered and a series of similar measures have been chosen for implementation. Once our right of unilateral amendments to the constitution is established de facto by such actions, then we shall be able to advance using our judgment and our strength more decidedly.

4. It is, however, naive to believe that it is possible to proceed to substantive acts of amendment of the constitution, as a first step of our general plan, as has been described above, without the Turks at tempting to create or to stage violent clashes. For this reason, the existence of our organisation is an imperative necessity because:

a) In the event of instinctive violent Turkish reactions, if our counter-attacks are not immediate, we run the risk effacing panic in the Greeks in the towns and thus losing substantial vital areas, while, on the other hand, an immediate show of our strength may bring the Turks to their senses and confine their actions to sporadic insignificant acts, and

b) In the event of a planned or staged Turkish attack, it is imperative to overcome it by force in the shortest possible time, because if we succeed in gaining command of the situation (in one or two days), no outside, intervention would be either justified or possible.

c) In either of the above cases, effective use of force in dealing with the Turks will facilitate to a great extent our subsequent actions for further amendments. It would then be possible for unilateral amendments to be made, without any Turkish reaction, because they will now that their reaction will be weak or seriously harmful for their community, and

d) In the event of the clashes becoming more general or general we must be ready to proceed with the actions described in (a) to (b), including the immediate declaration of Enosis, because then there would be no reason to wait nor room for diplomatic action.

5. At no stage should we neglect the need to enlighten, and to face the propaganda and the reactions of those who cannot or should not know our plans. It has been shown that our struggle must pass through four stages and that we must not reveal publicly and at improper times our plans and intentions. Complete secrecy is more than a national duty.

IT IS A VITAL NECESSITY FOR SURVIVAL AND SUCCESS.

This will not prevent the reactionaries and the irresponsible demagogues from indulging in an orgy of exploitation of patriotism and provocations. The plan provides them with fertile ground, because it gives them the opportunity to allege that the efforts of the leadership are confined to the objective of constitutional amendments and not to pure national objectives. Our task becomes more difficult because by necessity, and depending on the prevailing circumstances, even the constitutional amendments must be made in stages. However, all this must not draw us into irresponsible demagogy nor to bidding higher in the stakes of nationalism. Our acts will be our most truthful defenders. In any event, because the above task must make substantial progress and yield results long before the next elections, for obvious reasons, in the relatively short time in between we must show self-restraint and remain cool.

At the same time, however, we must not only maintain the present unity and discipline of the patriotic forces, but increase it. This can only be done by the necessary briefing of our members and through them of our people.

In the first instance, we must uncover what the reactionaries stand for. Some of them are opportunist and irresponsible, as their recent past has shown. They are negative and aimless reactionaries who fanatically oppose our leadership, but without at the same time offering a substantive and practical solution. We need a steady and strong government in order to promote our plans up to the last moment. These opponents are verbalists and sloganists, but unwilling to proceed to concrete acts or to suffer sacrifices. For example, even at the present stage they offer nothing more concrete than recourse to the United Nations, that is, words again without cost to themselves. They must, therefore, be isolated.

In parallel, we shall brief our members only ORALLY about our intentions. Our sub-headquarters must, in gatherings of our members, analyse and explain fully and continuously the above, until each one of our members understands fully and is in a position to brief others.

NO WRITTEN REPORT IS PERMITTED. THE LOSS OF ANY DOCUMENT ON THE ABOVE AMOUNTS TO TREASON AGAINST THE NATION.

No act can damage our struggle as vitally and decisively as the revealing of the present document or its publication by our opponents. With the exception of word-of-mouth briefing, all our other actions, i.e., publications in the Press, resolutions, etc., must be very restrained and no mention of the above should be made. Similarly, in public speeches and gatherings, only responsible persons may make, under the personal responsibility of the Leader or Deputy Leaders, references in general terms to the plan. They must also have the authorisation of either the Leader or the Deputy Leader who must approve the text. ON NO ACCOUNT ARE REFERENCES IN THE PRESS OR ANY OTHER PUBLICATION PERMITTED.

Tactics. Complete briefing of our people and of the public by word of mouth. Publicly we shall endeavour to appear as moderates. Projection of or reference to our plans in the Press or in writing is strictly prohibited. Officials and other responsible persons will continue to brief and to raise the morale and the desire for the struggle of our people, but such briefing excludes making our plans public knowledge by the Press or otherwise.

NOTES: This document will be destroyed by fire on the personal responsibility of the Leader and the Deputy Leader in the presence of all the members of the General Staff within 10 days from its receipt. Copies or part copies are prohibited: members of the staff of the Office of the Deputy Leader may have copies on the personal responsibility of the Leader, but may not remove them from the Office of the Deputy Leader.

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Postby Piratis » Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:00 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:
Piratis wrote:Democracy means to allow the people to take their own decisions for their own country. Not the colonialist to force somehting on us against our will.
This is our island. The Ottoman empire is over. Your minority can stay on this island as equal Cypriot citizens but you have no right to impose undemocratically your own will. We are not part of the Ottoman or the British empires anymore.


The problem, Piratis, is that the Greek Cypriot majority DIDN'T want the Turkish Cypriot minority to be equal Cypriot citizens. That was what started the intercommunal fighting in late 1963...

They were not "equal Cypriot citizens" because their mere 18.4% of total population was given 30% of the House of Representatives and all governmental, administrative and state posts, 40% of the security forces, and a vice president with veto power. This Constitution, which had been imposed by foreign powers, was completely unacceptable to the GC community.


Thats right Get Real. The British Colonialists had collaborated with the former, Turkish, colonialists in order to stop the Cypriot from gaining the freedom and self-determination.

If they had allowed Cypriot people to be equal without racist discriminations and take decisions in a democratic way then there wouldn't be any Cyprus Problem, and Cyprus would be a free island.
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:02 pm

zan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:
Piratis wrote:Democracy means to allow the people to take their own decisions for their own country. Not the colonialist to force somehting on us against our will.
This is our island. The Ottoman empire is over. Your minority can stay on this island as equal Cypriot citizens but you have no right to impose undemocratically your own will. We are not part of the Ottoman or the British empires anymore.


The problem, Piratis, is that the Greek Cypriot majority DIDN'T want the Turkish Cypriot minority to be equal Cypriot citizens. That was what started the intercommunal fighting in late 1963...

They were not "equal Cypriot citizens" because their mere 18.4% of total population was given 30% of the House of Representatives and all governmental, administrative and state posts, 40% of the security forces, and a vice president with veto power. This Constitution, which had been imposed by foreign powers, was completely unacceptable to the GC community.


same old same old!!!
The Akritas Plan

The Leader AKRITAS

That doesn't look like the entire/genuine Akritas plan but anyway show us the bit that orders genocide... :lol:
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