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[kafenes]

NO crossing point from Nicosia to Larnaca but there is from Famagusta to Larnaca where reinforcing armor could not cross.

How long did the fighting in Larnaca last? I clearly remember the BBC and ITN reports that Larnaca was quiet and that people were moving and going about their business freely. We could not call from London those few days because the phone lines were down so we relied on those reports. All of Harringey was in the street with people grouped around transistor radios on July 15.

One whole day for sure. I was seventeen at the time and remember we spent the whole day lying on the floor and crawling around the house as bullets were flying everywhere and never knew when one could come through the window.

[zan]

http://www.rafakrotiri.co.uk/episkopi/index.html

[Nikitas]

Zan,

That link is in direct clash with the BBC and ITN new reels which show the National Guard being blocked from going through SBAs, and also show National Guard soldiers being forced to surrender their weapons to British troops before being allowed to use the SBA roads.

[denizaksulu]

I take it that the translation was done by computer,is that right Rafaella???

I was going to translate the Sener Levent article myself,but you beat me to it...Even with the funny translation the chilling story touches you where it hurts most,in the conscience...I had heard this story before...That some mothers,sending their sons to war in Cyprus,demanded Greek/GC ears from them,as a sort of trophy..And some sons no doubt obliged...

No doubt this is a barbaric act...No doubt this should be condemned in the strongest terms...But it should not be an open invitation to brand all Turks "barbaric"...That is very easy to do and it is always counter-productive...Those mothers and those sons proved that as human beings they left a lot to be desired.As mothers and soldiers they were rotten to the core...If there is a hell,as they no doubt believe so,they have guaranteed their place there. What we must do now is to expose all these hideous crimes against humanity,from both sides, take a good look at them,and vow that we as human beings will never let that happen again...

We must be prepared to face the consequences of their actions,and wipe this dirt form our conscience by sincerely apologising to our compatriots
and by vowing that we will do everything humanely possible to make sure such acts of barbarity never takes place in our homeland again...

I second that BK. I was horrified when I heard these stories of mutilations a very long time ago. It seems that there was a competition in 'barbarity' going on in Cyprus. I think it shows the difference between peasant / uneducated soldiers and TCs. It should have never come to this.

[denizaksulu]

"Was there only fighting in Famagusta then??????? " asks Zan.


Here we have reliable sources like the BBC and ITN, look them up. The fighting against the junta forces was in Nicosia, Limassol and Famagusta. By all accounts Kyrenia, Paphos and Larnaca had no fighting. Nor were there any clashes in the countryside. The major scenes of clashes were the police stations in the above three cities, the radio station, the Tactical Reserve Force base, the Presidential Mansion and Nicosia airport (where a relative was wounded so I know the events fairly well). Paphos radio station was not attacked, that is where Makarios spoke the day after the coup and the city was still quiet. It is no accident that Paphos and Larnaca were out of the fighting. The junta people could not move tanks there because they would not be allowed to go through the SBAs.

The casualties were comensurate to the forces involved. You cannot have hundreds of dead when dozens are fighting. So let us leave this slogan that most casualties were caused by GC fighting GC. Those citing such excuses are making fools of themselves. Look where the graves are being discovered and read the witness accounts. They tell the story prett accurately. TC missing are found in the south and GCs in the north.

I am sure that President Makarios speech mentioned that 'there is resistance in Paphos'. Does that not mean that there was fighting there post-coup. I am not trying to justify those killed by G/GCs, just facts of fighting.

[Nikitas]

Deniz,

Paphos did not see the kind of heavy fighting that Nicosia, Limassol and Famagusta (to a lesser degree) experienced during the first days of the coup. Firstly because Paphos was a Makarios stronghold, secondly because they did not have the heavy stuff to use. The three cities were more strategic than Paphos and had more numerous cadres of junta sympathizers.

Resistance in the sense of light small arms fire was evident all over the island. But nothing really heavy as in Nicosia where all 34 tanks of the national guard were used.

[denizaksulu]

Deniz,

Paphos did not see the kind of heavy fighting that Nicosia, Limassol and Famagusta (to a lesser degree) experienced during the first days of the coup. Firstly because Paphos was a Makarios stronghold, secondly because they did not have the heavy stuff to use. The three cities were more strategic than Paphos and had more numerous cadres of junta sympathizers.

Resistance in the sense of light small arms fire was evident all over the island. But nothing really heavy as in Nicosia where all 34 tanks of the national guard were used.

34 Tanks!!!. Bloody Hell!

[karma]

I take it that the translation was done by computer,is that right Rafaella???

I was going to translate the Sener Levent article myself,but you beat me to it...Even with the funny translation the chilling story touches you where it hurts most,in the conscience...I had heard this story before...That some mothers,sending their sons to war in Cyprus,demanded Greek/GC ears from them,as a sort of trophy..And some sons no doubt obliged...

No doubt this is a barbaric act...No doubt this should be condemned in the strongest terms...But it should not be an open invitation to brand all Turks "barbaric"...That is very easy to do and it is always counter-productive...Those mothers and those sons proved that as human beings they left a lot to be desired.As mothers and soldiers they were rotten to the core...If there is a hell,as they no doubt believe so,they have guaranteed their place there. What we must do now is to expose all these hideous crimes against humanity,from both sides, take a good look at them,and vow that we as human beings will never let that happen again...

We must be prepared to face the consequences of their actions,and wipe this dirt form our conscience by sincerely apologising to our compatriots
and by vowing that we will do everything humanely possible to make sure such acts of barbarity never takes place in our homeland again...

I second that BK. I was horrified when I heard these stories of mutilations a very long time ago. It seems that there was a competition in 'barbarity' going on in Cyprus. I think it shows the difference between peasant / uneducated soldiers and TCs. It should have never come to this.

This ear story was kinda tradition since Ottoman Empire times, especially in Sultan Mehmet 2 period in 15th century..many ears were sent to Istanbul from the Greek Islands and it seems nothing has changed since then...
As Cypriots, all you have to do is to unite and get organised , may be establish an NGO for the rights of ur ears and ur earings too , just to stop this kind of barbarities, otherwise I dont wana imagine what the next organ may replace ears in tht bren bags..

[denizaksulu]

I take it that the translation was done by computer,is that right Rafaella???

I was going to translate the Sener Levent article myself,but you beat me to it...Even with the funny translation the chilling story touches you where it hurts most,in the conscience...I had heard this story before...That some mothers,sending their sons to war in Cyprus,demanded Greek/GC ears from them,as a sort of trophy..And some sons no doubt obliged...

No doubt this is a barbaric act...No doubt this should be condemned in the strongest terms...But it should not be an open invitation to brand all Turks "barbaric"...That is very easy to do and it is always counter-productive...Those mothers and those sons proved that as human beings they left a lot to be desired.As mothers and soldiers they were rotten to the core...If there is a hell,as they no doubt believe so,they have guaranteed their place there. What we must do now is to expose all these hideous crimes against humanity,from both sides, take a good look at them,and vow that we as human beings will never let that happen again...

We must be prepared to face the consequences of their actions,and wipe this dirt form our conscience by sincerely apologising to our compatriots
and by vowing that we will do everything humanely possible to make sure such acts of barbarity never takes place in our homeland again...

I second that BK. I was horrified when I heard these stories of mutilations a very long time ago. It seems that there was a competition in 'barbarity' going on in Cyprus. I think it shows the difference between peasant / uneducated soldiers and TCs. It should have never come to this.

This ear story was kinda tradition since Ottoman Empire times, especially in Sultan Mehmet 2 period in 15th century..many ears were sent to Istanbul from the Greek Islands and it seems nothing has changed since then...
As Cypriots, all you have to do is to unite and get organised , may be establish an NGO for the rights of ur ears and ur earings too , just to stop this kind of barbarities, otherwise I dont wana imagine what the next organ may replace ears in tht bren bags..

Hallo Karmacigim, I heard other organs have replaced ears, but till verified, they remain as rumours (I hope they are just that).

[karma]

Hallo Karmacigim, I heard other organs have replaced ears, but till verified, they remain as rumours (I hope they are just that).

tell us about the rumours then, let people know everything, dont keep them for urself only , for the sake of ur own organs, including ur lungs and legs