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[insan]

Perhaps, you are right however I didn't calculate the damage each side caused to each other. And I don't think either one calculated the how much to damage and how much to protect. They damaged and looted what is available.

I didn't calculate it ether Insan.
Whatever is done, is done!
Let's see what we do in the future. This should be our real concern!

I completely agree with you. We urgently need a solution.

Amvrosios, this was the conclusion.

[MicAtCyp]

It is true that after 1987 when Denktash was frustrated by Kyprianou's intansigence; the deeds given to settlers.

Is that an excuse, a reason, a justification or what? So whenever we felt frustrated with Denktash intrangidence we should donate your properties to the Pontians?

Thieves exist in all countries, nations and communities.

I know but what respectable states do is put them in prison, not allow their General to blackout the whole Karpasia peninsula until he is finished looting the tomb with 2.5 tons of pure gold and jewlery by moonlight. I am sure you know he details.....

Giving some plot of GC lands to young TCs to build their homes and giving deeds to settlers developed as a consequence of the circumstances of North. If there had been no embargos and exchange of properties achieved; young TCs would be able to purchase land to build their homes. Settlers would be able to purchase land and build their homes. Furthermore the pure TC population of North would have been no less than 250.000. Less number of TCs would have migrated and therfore less number of settlers would have been able to come to North. More number of TCs would have returned abroad to their homeland.

And then you would live happily ever after, on our properties, on our land, and us looking like fools wondering why you don't even care for a solution.In fact the only solution you would then be interested is our signature for good friendship and forget about everything.

Now you answer me Pantelis. Did some GCs loot the TC properties when TC fled to enclaves? Did some GCs loot TC properties afterwards 1974? Assume it was GC community under embargoes in South and substantial amount of land and properties in South belonged to TCs. Would the situation in South be any different than the current situation in North? You know the answers of these questions well but what you are trying to do is simply propaganda.

Perhaps the situation could be worse. You know why? Because that is what illegality brings about? The people loot the properties and the illegal state loots the rest. However the RoC state never looted TC properties neither before nor after 1974.

until pro-reunification TCs revolt and ask a Germany style reunification.

They will not need to revolt. Simply do what EU will ask them to do otherwise parasi yok.

116 mosques and shrines destruyed by GC extremists. Could GC leadership protect historical heritage belong to TCs in South?

Insan I ve gone through the list of mosques that you originally said they were destroyed. Then in your list you say they were desecrated. Desecrated how? Someone walked with shoes inside or someone stolen the icons? As far as I know a mosque is just an empty space.
For your information all the mosques I can recognise in Nicosia are in perfect condition: the Omerige, the Bayraktar (now they will even put night surrounding lights on it because it's EU herritage something) the Peristerona the Akaca (akaci?) the Dali mosque (man there are still TCs living there what are you talking about?) the Larnaca mosque ruined?? What are you talking about, there is even a TC Hoca there who prays go see him ask him yourself. I saw him in the summer when muslims living in Larnaca went there to pray.

Sorry Insan you have to decide if the moques were destroyed or desecrated and then explain us what was exactly their desecrating, did we for example turned them into sheepcotes, or into cazinos, or into shopping malls. You did turn our Ayia Sophia into a shopping mall in Nicosia didn’t you?

PS. You does not mean you personally. It means some people of your community and some from the regime.

[metecyp]

You did turn our Ayia Sophia into a shopping mall in Nicosia didn’t you?

What are you talking about? Isn't Ayia Sophia a mosque now? I thought it was a church back in Venetian times and Ottomans converted it into a mosque long time ago.

[uzan]

You did turn our Ayia Sophia into a shopping mall in Nicosia didn’t you?

What are you talking about? Isn't Ayia Sophia a mosque now? I thought it was a church back in Venetian times and Ottomans converted it into a mosque long time ago.

yes you are right it is a mosque not a shopping mall.

[Agios Amvrosios]

Insan,

Please visit the desecrated cemetary in Agios Amvrosios(You call it Esentepe), there are broken tombstones more than 20 metres from the place of burial. My grandmother's grave is one of them;


and there is also the partially burned down church in the village next door at Chartzia(you may know it as Karagach or something similar). It was a very old church.

[brother]

There is no disputing that on both sides cypriots destroyed or badly damaged religious buildings etc. which we should all be ashamed of.

In isergi (yeni bogazici) the church there is being used by mainland settlers as a barn for their sheep even though initially the goverment had boarded it up to stop any one damaging it but they just broke in and are using it now, i remember as a child that you could not touch that church but from my grandfathers well there is a passage leading in to the church and my brother and i used to sneek in and look around and it was beautiful and completely untouched for years then the settlers came to the village and the rest you all know.

[Andrik]

What are you saying!??
How can you even compare the two sides??
All of your mosques are under the museum's authority fro decades now!

[MicAtCyp]

yes you are right it is a mosque not a shopping mall.

Half of it is a mosque and half of it is a SHOPPING MALL. I know very well what I am talking about. And who gave you the right to turn the christian churches into mosques anyway? If you want mosques build your own.

[metecyp]

Half of it is a mosque and half of it is a SHOPPING MALL. I know very well what I am talking about.

Which half are you talking about? I'm talking about the actual building which used to be a church. I know there are surrounding smaller buildings but even those are not used as a shopping mall as you suggested. There's a bazaar close to Ayia Sophia, we call it Bandabulya, but that's not part of Ayia Sophia. I live in Nicosia, and I think I know what I'm talking about too and I never realized that it was a shopping mall, are you sure?

And who gave you the right to turn the christian churches into mosques anyway? If you want mosques build your own.

Ayia Sophia was converted into a mosque by Ottomans right after 1570. I certainly understand your sensitivity about churches that were converted in mosques after 1974, but come on, we're going to argue about a 500 year old business now?

[Andrik]

Yeah, you are right!
How about I turn the Teke into a coffee-shop..you wouldnt mind would you??