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[Viewpoint]

Can you see the difference between enosis of the whole island with an unwilling TCs and only part allowing the objecting GC community the opportunity to prosper and have the GC state they always dreamed of.

You avoid answering my question under your "True Democracy" scenerio could the GC majority vote towards uniting with Greece or any other country for that matter, can the TCs stop them?

[zan]

How will you ensure that the GCs do not take decisions on our behalf that woudl effect the TCs more negatively than the GCs? eg no trade with Turkey or union with Greece.

Its time you woke up from your 1963 sleep .Enosis has been dead and buried
for many years now. Secondly the Cypriots ARE business people , they will trade with whoever serves their financial interests.
Give it a rest mate , NO ONE wants the bloody Greeks to rule over us. No ENOSIS GET IT INTO YOUR SCULL.

Why do you not answer my question, whats to stop the GC majority doing exactly that? or do I have to put my trust and future in the hands of GCs who seek vegence for what happened in 1571 lat alone 1974??

I don't have too much time to join in tonight, but could not resist answering this question, yet about ENOSIS with Greece from VP, who does NOT support, but DOES support another kind of ENOSIS with Turkey. So I guess, it is not ENOSIS per se he is against, it's just, who is doing it.!!

To answer VP's question directly on ENOSIS with Greece in the future, which I will also not support, but what are the likelihood of that happening anyway. Think for a minute. This little island called Cyprus with about 1 million Cypriots on it, has one of the most powerful weapons ever obtained by her, which countries like Turkey can only dream of. She has gotten herself sitting on the table with giants like Germany, France, UK, Spain, Italy and many more who overshadow her by Land Mass, Population, Wealth and Economy, and yet, she has an equal say and a veto power. It will be like a kid in a room with grown ups, and yet, she will not be looked down upon and will be equal to everyone else. Now, give me one good reason why would Cyprus throw away any of these positions that she has gotten and enjoys them, so that she can join Greece, so that she can be directed by Athens with those with the same power and position she just threw away. What benefits could she possible gain from it. Why would she throw away a "Royal Flush" to get "two Jacks".!! One more reason as to why VP really has no argument about ENOSIS with Greece. It only keeps his dreams of another ENOSIS with Turkey alive.

As for his other argument about Cyprus trading/not trading with Turkey has to be the stupidest reasons for wanting to have ENOSIS with Turkey.!!

Well if you were to pay attention to what was going on then you would know...They are talking about proportional representation in the EU and I think it will come about...The other point is control over oil in the region...You obviously did not read the thread on the released files hat I posted....

[humanist]

VP & Zan, if you think that in a European RoC in 2008, there is a remote chance of Enosis with Greece or another country for that matter other than a bordeless Europe .... then boys you are certainly paranoid and have also run out of arguments. Enosis was the dream of very few, 34 years ago, it took lives and was buried within days. No argument there. Try a better one.

[Kikapu]

How will you ensure that the GCs do not take decisions on our behalf that woudl effect the TCs more negatively than the GCs? eg no trade with Turkey or union with Greece.

Its time you woke up from your 1963 sleep .Enosis has been dead and buried
for many years now. Secondly the Cypriots ARE business people , they will trade with whoever serves their financial interests.
Give it a rest mate , NO ONE wants the bloody Greeks to rule over us. No ENOSIS GET IT INTO YOUR SCULL.

Why do you not answer my question, whats to stop the GC majority doing exactly that? or do I have to put my trust and future in the hands of GCs who seek vegence for what happened in 1571 lat alone 1974??

I don't have too much time to join in tonight, but could not resist answering this question, yet about ENOSIS with Greece from VP, who does NOT support, but DOES support another kind of ENOSIS with Turkey. So I guess, it is not ENOSIS per se he is against, it's just, who is doing it.!!

To answer VP's question directly on ENOSIS with Greece in the future, which I will also not support, but what are the likelihood of that happening anyway. Think for a minute. This little island called Cyprus with about 1 million Cypriots on it, has one of the most powerful weapons ever obtained by her, which countries like Turkey can only dream of. She has gotten herself sitting on the table with giants like Germany, France, UK, Spain, Italy and many more who overshadow her by Land Mass, Population, Wealth and Economy, and yet, she has an equal say and a veto power. It will be like a kid in a room with grown ups, and yet, she will not be looked down upon and will be equal to everyone else. Now, give me one good reason why would Cyprus throw away any of these positions that she has gotten and enjoys them, so that she can join Greece, so that she can be directed by Athens with those with the same power and position she just threw away. What benefits could she possible gain from it. Why would she throw away a "Royal Flush" to get "two Jacks".!! One more reason as to why VP really has no argument about ENOSIS with Greece. It only keeps his dreams of another ENOSIS with Turkey alive.

As for his other argument about Cyprus trading/not trading with Turkey has to be the stupidest reasons for wanting to have ENOSIS with Turkey.!!

Well if you were to pay attention to what was going on then you would know...They are talking about proportional representation in the EU and I think it will come about...The other point is control over oil in the region...You obviously did not read the thread on the released files hat I posted....

Zan,

On certain issues, they are talking about PR, but not when it comes to voting in future new members to the EU, therefore Turkey would still needs the RoC's vote no matter if she wants to come in as a EU member or as a "Privileged Member".

What has what you are talking about, has to with what VP, Miltiades and I was talking about, which had to do with concerns over ENOSIS in the future with Greece.??

Now, you tell me why you support ENOSIS with Turkey today.??

[zan]

How will you ensure that the GCs do not take decisions on our behalf that woudl effect the TCs more negatively than the GCs? eg no trade with Turkey or union with Greece.

Its time you woke up from your 1963 sleep .Enosis has been dead and buried
for many years now. Secondly the Cypriots ARE business people , they will trade with whoever serves their financial interests.
Give it a rest mate , NO ONE wants the bloody Greeks to rule over us. No ENOSIS GET IT INTO YOUR SCULL.

Why do you not answer my question, whats to stop the GC majority doing exactly that? or do I have to put my trust and future in the hands of GCs who seek vegence for what happened in 1571 lat alone 1974??

I don't have too much time to join in tonight, but could not resist answering this question, yet about ENOSIS with Greece from VP, who does NOT support, but DOES support another kind of ENOSIS with Turkey. So I guess, it is not ENOSIS per se he is against, it's just, who is doing it.!!

To answer VP's question directly on ENOSIS with Greece in the future, which I will also not support, but what are the likelihood of that happening anyway. Think for a minute. This little island called Cyprus with about 1 million Cypriots on it, has one of the most powerful weapons ever obtained by her, which countries like Turkey can only dream of. She has gotten herself sitting on the table with giants like Germany, France, UK, Spain, Italy and many more who overshadow her by Land Mass, Population, Wealth and Economy, and yet, she has an equal say and a veto power. It will be like a kid in a room with grown ups, and yet, she will not be looked down upon and will be equal to everyone else. Now, give me one good reason why would Cyprus throw away any of these positions that she has gotten and enjoys them, so that she can join Greece, so that she can be directed by Athens with those with the same power and position she just threw away. What benefits could she possible gain from it. Why would she throw away a "Royal Flush" to get "two Jacks".!! One more reason as to why VP really has no argument about ENOSIS with Greece. It only keeps his dreams of another ENOSIS with Turkey alive.

As for his other argument about Cyprus trading/not trading with Turkey has to be the stupidest reasons for wanting to have ENOSIS with Turkey.!!

Well if you were to pay attention to what was going on then you would know...They are talking about proportional representation in the EU and I think it will come about...The other point is control over oil in the region...You obviously did not read the thread on the released files hat I posted....

Zan,

On certain issues, they are talking about PR, but not when it comes to voting in future new members to the EU, therefore Turkey would still needs the RoC's vote no matter if she wants to come in as a EU member or as a "Privileged Member".

What has what you are talking about, has to with what VP, Miltiades and I was talking about, which had to do with concerns over ENOSIS in the future with Greece.??

Now, you tell me why you support ENOSIS with Turkey today.??

We shall see what shape PR takes mate but I am sure it will be right across the board when it does come. Then the number of voters will count and little old "RoC" will have to join Greece in order to count at all...That is what I am talking about in those terms and then the oil issue is another.......


Then you misrepresent what I say by your last bit of bullshit......I only support Taksim at a last resort and not as the prime objective as Tpap does......We have other options before then...

[Kikapu]

Well if you were to pay attention to what was going on then you would know...They are talking about proportional representation in the EU and I think it will come about...The other point is control over oil in the region...You obviously did not read the thread on the released files hat I posted....

Zan,

On certain issues, they are talking about PR, but not when it comes to voting in future new members to the EU, therefore Turkey would still needs the RoC's vote no matter if she wants to come in as a EU member or as a "Privileged Member".

What has what you are talking about, has to with what VP, Miltiades and I was talking about, which had to do with concerns over ENOSIS in the future with Greece.??

Now, you tell me why you support ENOSIS with Turkey today.??

We shall see what shape PR takes mate but I am sure it will be right across the board when it does come. Then the number of voters will count and little old "RoC" will have to join Greece in order to count at all...That is what I am talking about in those terms and then the oil issue is another.......


Then you misrepresent what I say by your last bit of bullshit......I only support Taksim at a last resort and not as the prime objective as Tpap does......We have other options before then... [/quote]

You forget something Zan, and that is, Cyprus also needs to vote "yes" to have any changing of the EU rules. She is an equal partner after all, so why would she cast any vote that will be disadvantages to her, like giving up her veto rights over new members coming into the EU.???

Don't be embarrassed for wanting ENOSIS with Turkey. You are not abjecting them having ENOSIS with you as we speak, so you might as well return the favour and watch both Turkey and the "TRNC" remaining underdeveloped in comparison to rest of Europe as a result. I hope your other options are more productive than disguised partition or a direct one.

[zan]

Well if you were to pay attention to what was going on then you would know...They are talking about proportional representation in the EU and I think it will come about...The other point is control over oil in the region...You obviously did not read the thread on the released files hat I posted....

Zan,

On certain issues, they are talking about PR, but not when it comes to voting in future new members to the EU, therefore Turkey would still needs the RoC's vote no matter if she wants to come in as a EU member or as a "Privileged Member".

What has what you are talking about, has to with what VP, Miltiades and I was talking about, which had to do with concerns over ENOSIS in the future with Greece.??

Now, you tell me why you support ENOSIS with Turkey today.??

We shall see what shape PR takes mate but I am sure it will be right across the board when it does come. Then the number of voters will count and little old "RoC" will have to join Greece in order to count at all...That is what I am talking about in those terms and then the oil issue is another.......


Then you misrepresent what I say by your last bit of bullshit......I only support Taksim at a last resort and not as the prime objective as Tpap does......We have other options before then...

You forget something Zan, and that is, Cyprus also needs to vote "yes" to have any changing of the EU rules. She is an equal partner after all, so why would she cast any vote that will be disadvantages to her, like giving up her veto rights over new members coming into the EU.???

Don't be embarrassed for wanting ENOSIS with Turkey. You are not abjecting them having ENOSIS with you as we speak, so you might as well return the favour and watch both Turkey and the "TRNC" remaining underdeveloped in comparison to rest of Europe as a result. I hope your other options are more productive than disguised partition or a direct one.[/quote]

Embarrassed..It is you that is embarrassed about who you think you are and how your family line is GC after all.........You should not be embarrassed, be proud...You are doing a fine service to them at every point....


You also seem to think that the "RoC" can old the rest of the EU to ransom for ever...They have lost all respect and pull in the EU mate and if you think that France and Germany are saying what they are saying because of you lot then I will not keep you from your deluded thoughts. The USA and the UK are what they objecting to and history has shown that their differences are easily sorted when it comes o the crunch...Little old "RoC" will have to fight on her own soon and w shall see hen what he pull will be....

[growuptcs]

zan:
You also seem to think that the "RoC" can old the rest of the EU to ransom for ever...They have lost all respect and pull in the EU mate and if you think that France and Germany are saying what they are saying because of you lot then I will not keep you from your deluded thoughts.

Zan, what part of your body gave you these thoughts that Cyprus is being the difficult country in resolving the Cyprob? If you think Cyprus is losing respect and pull because of all this, then your way off mark. The EU needs Cyprus more than the other way around. Reason being is that Cyprus is the X factor. Without making THAT reform, they know Turkey doesn't take democracy seriously.
So instead of cutting your nose off to spite your face zan, just get a nose job.

[zan]

zan:
You also seem to think that the "RoC" can old the rest of the EU to ransom for ever...They have lost all respect and pull in the EU mate and if you think that France and Germany are saying what they are saying because of you lot then I will not keep you from your deluded thoughts.

Zan, what part of your body gave you these thoughts that Cyprus is being the difficult country in resolving the Cyprob? If you think Cyprus is losing respect and pull because of all this, then your way off mark. The EU needs Cyprus more than the other way around. Reason being is that Cyprus is the X factor. Without making THAT reform, they know Turkey doesn't take democracy seriously.
So instead of cutting your nose off to spite your face zan, just get a nose job.

Bloody hell mate...What are these people telling you where you are.....Talk about a cat seeing its own arse and thinking its a great big wound...... Cyprus is not in the EU....The "RoC" is........

[miltiades]

Zan , you are talking crap again. Cyprus IS in the EU , Turkey doesn't want to accept it !! The rest of the planet has !!