Cyprus-Forum.com

[halil]

Very interesting Halil , once again it proves that the Fanatics of both sides were responsible for the conflict . As this summay states , " ""Dcisions were made to implement the conflicting ideas of enosis and taksim by various coercive movements. This activity created a field of violent inter-communal conflict. Violence induced a refugee movement which altered existing demographic fields. The two new fields, of armed confrontation and .......

"""In summation, the general trends of the December 1963 - August 1964 period are clear. . . . Decisions were made to implement the conflicting ideas of enosis and taksim by various coercive movements. This activity created a field of violent inter-communal conflict. Violence induced a refugee movement which altered existing demographic fields. The two new fields, of armed confrontation and ethnic segregation, interacted to form fields of communally controlled territory. Subsequently a Turkish-Cypriot civil and military administration was developed to govern and protect Turk-Cypriots and the land they held. The result was the de facto partition of the Republic of Cyprus. """

Halil , this article further indicates that coercion was used by"military" leaders to influence the people to fall in line.
Furthermore , no mention of the constantly used by some " genocide" nonsense.

Miltiades,
i never used the word genocide at my writings.
both sides are using same word for each other .
i don't agree with some people that during 63-64 and up to 67 many Turkish Cypriots didn't left their homes or villages.
at Monday i will put here all the villages names , i am sure many of you should agree with me. Some of them were return back to their homes but not complete village people . You read above writing some of them was returned says.
Miltiades , take your time and read rest of it from above link. book is very interesting and looks biased to me.

Halil , you have never used the word genocide , I know this.
What many on this forum are constantly doing is apportioning blame for events on to one side or the other. I , as a committed Cypriot whose ONLY allegiance is to Cyprus and all Cypriots , believe that it is time now to forget and forgive and move on towards making Cyprus a united nation with NO Majorities or Minorities.This can only be achieved if both sides severed , or at least demoted relations , connections with the powers that are mainly responsible with our predicament.

You are correct Miltiades ,
some of them forcing us for doing it. many times i expressed i don't hate any body .They were all at past.
my name was put down to prove it .İ don't know what is their aim ?
we all know we have sensible Cypriots . Some of them keep pumping that when we said yes . we did say yes.because we were after the their lands.
dear friend land , money ,properties are nothing as long as you don't have peace and happiness.Majority of the TC's realy wants peace and solution. We don't care what Turkey or other says. But if you keep treating us what do you except from TC's to do . Ofcource they need protection of the Turkey. These are the our realities my friend. To understand me , you must be im my position.
ofcourse you have your points and rights in your way. We have to find the middle of it that no one can suffer.
we can't say all for me , for me.

[RAFAELLA]

Thank you all for the information provided.
There's no doubt that during the intercommunal troubles a lot of crimes were commited by both Gcs and Tcs.

...but refering to 100's of villages that were burned by Gcs is just pure propaganda.

[miltiades]

Very interesting Halil , once again it proves that the Fanatics of both sides were responsible for the conflict . As this summay states , " ""Dcisions were made to implement the conflicting ideas of enosis and taksim by various coercive movements. This activity created a field of violent inter-communal conflict. Violence induced a refugee movement which altered existing demographic fields. The two new fields, of armed confrontation and .......

"""In summation, the general trends of the December 1963 - August 1964 period are clear. . . . Decisions were made to implement the conflicting ideas of enosis and taksim by various coercive movements. This activity created a field of violent inter-communal conflict. Violence induced a refugee movement which altered existing demographic fields. The two new fields, of armed confrontation and ethnic segregation, interacted to form fields of communally controlled territory. Subsequently a Turkish-Cypriot civil and military administration was developed to govern and protect Turk-Cypriots and the land they held. The result was the de facto partition of the Republic of Cyprus. """

Halil , this article further indicates that coercion was used by"military" leaders to influence the people to fall in line.
Furthermore , no mention of the constantly used by some " genocide" nonsense.

Miltiades,
i never used the word genocide at my writings.
both sides are using same word for each other .
i don't agree with some people that during 63-64 and up to 67 many Turkish Cypriots didn't left their homes or villages.
at Monday i will put here all the villages names , i am sure many of you should agree with me. Some of them were return back to their homes but not complete village people . You read above writing some of them was returned says.
Miltiades , take your time and read rest of it from above link. book is very interesting and looks biased to me.

Halil , you have never used the word genocide , I know this.
What many on this forum are constantly doing is apportioning blame for events on to one side or the other. I , as a committed Cypriot whose ONLY allegiance is to Cyprus and all Cypriots , believe that it is time now to forget and forgive and move on towards making Cyprus a united nation with NO Majorities or Minorities.This can only be achieved if both sides severed , or at least demoted relations , connections with the powers that are mainly responsible with our predicament.

You are correct Miltiades ,
some of them forcing us for doing it. many times i expressed i don't hate any body .They were all at past.
my name was put down to prove it .İ don't know what is their aim ?
we all know we have sensible Cypriots . Some of them keep pumping that when we said yes . we did say yes.because we were after the their lands.
dear friend land , money ,properties are nothing as long as you don't have peace and happiness.Majority of the TC's realy wants peace and solution. We don't care what Turkey or other says. But if you keep treating us what do you except from TC's to do . Ofcource they need protection of the Turkey. These are the our realities my friend. To understand me , you must be im my position.
ofcourse you have your points and rights in your way. We have to find the middle of it that no one can suffer.
we can't say all for me , for me.

Halil , I agree with you. What we need is for the political powers to initiate actions that will concentrate on removing the mistrust amongst our people.
What is horrendously wrong is the stalemate that no one is prepared to resolve.
As you rightly say the Cypriot people are reasonable and sensible. Can I just say that I have never met a T/C that I found obnoxious or bad.

[RAFAELLA]

some how to satisfy they are own ........ keep forcing us to talk about past.

My fellow Gc compatriots STOP FORCING Trs or Tcs to talk about the past!

read it RAFFEALLA and enjoy your self and be happy by asking these silly question about past.keep memorising us.

So you want to be kept undisturbed and spread your propaganda here and there without any evidence, correct?
...and why my question was silly? Because I asked you to give evidence and prove your claims?

Regarding the questions about the past and us keep memorising it to you, I assure you that NO Gc mentions Enosis anymore but you!, Trs & Tcs, which means YOU are stuck in the past ...you always have in your mouth the word "genocide", "Enosis" etc and you spit it up even if you're asked the recipe of baklava!

[Get Real!]

I have asked Zan to give the list of those villages but I am still waiting.

Zan is a paranoid schizophrenic who specializes in the manufacture and distribution of claptrap so prepare to be disappointed.

[Eliko]

There is little need to research the accuracy of such preposterous claims, common sense will reveal the fact that it is just another example of biased propaganda.

Must admit, it seems to have achieved it's aim in ensuring that the G/C and T/C population is nicely poised for the continuance of dispute, oblivious to the REAL objectives of the Turkish invaders.

Cypriots 'Wake Up', you've ALL been had, there is neither need nor value in harbouring hatred, such feelings will only serve to destroy your ability to see reason.

Whatever the future may hold in store for this island, be entirely sure that the politicians have already agreed on it, obviously 'Behind closed doors', truthfulness has always been a major weakness in that profession.

In my humble opinion.

[joe]

Thank you all for the information provided.
There's no doubt that during the intercommunal troubles a lot of crimes were commited by both Gcs and Tcs.

...but refering to 100's of villages that were burned by Gcs is just pure propaganda.

Let us be frank for a moment. There was an inter-communal conflict, this isn't a secret. GC as well as TC homes were destroyed. Villages were abandoned on both sides as Halil's recent articles indicated. But to say that 100s of TC villages were burned down to the ground is a complete and utter lie..

And the fact is that most of the Turkish-Cypriot movement to the north was initiated (as mentioned in Halil's article) and directed by Turkish-Cypriot leaders in accordance with a contingency plan to facilitate a partition of Cyprus. This is what happened, there is now a breakaway State in the North.

I don't need to post articles from Michael Stephen or from other sites that try to explain or slyly justify the Turkish invasion because this invasion is not justifiable.

This photo will suffice. Below is a photo that shows us the population of Cyprus before and after the Turkish invasion. How is the Northern part of Cyprus any different then any other Turkish province? We are talking about a systematic cultural destruction, we are talking about ethnic cleansing, we are talking about a war crime.

[joe]

Repudiation of lies and propaganda
Joe

Let us take a closer look at the claim that is being brought forward by the propagandists in this forum that “100's of TC villages were burned down” by GCs.

This is what the 1960 census shows us:





It states that:

619 villages of which 393 were wholly or predominantly Greek-Cypriot, 120 wholly or predominantly Turkish Cypriot, 106 mixed.

If we were to accept the claim made by Halil and others that 100s of TC villages were burned down, then according to the 1960 census, that would mean every Turkish Cypriot village was burned down. Is that what happened in Cyprus?

Halil’s propaganda is meant to attain its ultimate objective – partition.

[phoenix]

Joe

Excellent presentation of graphic data.

Do you think the TCs will understand such pure unadulterated facts?

You have reset the record straight ...... but watch them start tweaking the figures to make them easier to swallow.

[RAFAELLA]

Very informative posts Joe.
They show clearly that another turkish claim is just propaganda ....and no wonder why one of my favourite posters didn't show up to give any answer or evidence

Therefore, from now on Trs or Tcs have no excuse to claim that 100's of villages that were burned by Gcs .