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[bill cobbett]

WTF is going on here? It does indeed link to S/8286! A very interesting and lengthy read but not the right one. This is very poor.

Nothing the fuck is going on here except for an idle cock-up on my part.

Apologies for your fecking cock-up accepted.

[halil]

Your link points to S/8286!

Sorry, I'd downloaded it ages ago, couldn't find it on my Google Desktop, and took it from the address history without looking. I'd forgotten I'd downloaded that one as well. This one is the correct link, though, isn't it? http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/Cyprus%20S%205950.pdf.

So, now?

thanks samarkeolog ,
i copied the pdf file for future referances .

[zan]

soon , i will put Quotes from KUTLU ADALİ book called Dağarcık .(I,II)

No no no! Enough of these unauthorized individuals spreading misinformation!

You see GR , anything does not suit u ...... unauthorized or not creditable ..... These books are writen doıwn from the expriencies and living trough all those years ...... also combined from the village reports.

they should translate these books into Greek and English as well ....also they should translate similar books from Greek to Turkish and English .

don't worry from my wrong translations we have enough people in this forum to correct it .

we will learn secrets of the Cyprus ......

Keep posting gardas as I know you will.......GR is not important...People reading this Forum are...More important is the TCs that might actually start to believe the GRs of this world....I could not give a flying F** about what GR and his ilk think......

[kafenes]

We still don't know which villages were looted/burned/bulldozed. I suppose we could start a new thread under a different name, but, given we all know that "hundreds" of villages were not burned - but many, many villages were - on this thread or on another, it's still worth trying to work out which villages they were, isn't there?

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? You're not making sense at all. Find a list of the villages and then get back to me!!

Do you think it's more likely that the UN Secretary-General, who had no personal interest in Cyprus, printed 'coffee shop bullshit', or more likely that locals, who may not want to say that members of their community drove out their neighbours from their homes then burned the homes so they couldn't return, had... amnesia?

I don't think so, as most of the people I spoke to remembered and admitting many atrocities against the TCs which no one has ever written of yet.

The original report spelled it correctly, and he only mistyped it. Is this the level we're at now?

It seems that 'mistyping' is very common to Turkish propangandists.

[Tim Drayton]

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? You're not making sense at all. Find a list of the villages and then get back to me!!

I agree. We are starting to go round in circles. The last sensible comment posted in this thread was when Get Real said:

[zan]

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? You're not making sense at all. Find a list of the villages and then get back to me!!

I agree. We are starting to go round in circles. The last sensible comment posted in this thread was when Get Real said:

He likes to run when the going gets tough as well mate!!!!!!!!!

[samarkeolog]

We still don't know which villages were looted/burned/bulldozed. I suppose we could start a new thread under a different name, but, given we all know that "hundreds" of villages were not burned - but many, many villages were - on this thread or on another, it's still worth trying to work out which villages they were, isn't there [isn't it]?

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? You're not making sense at all. Find a list of the villages and then get back to me!!

Well, the sources I'm working from are reports by the UN and by former UN peacekeepers, as well as information from people in Cyprus, Greek Cypriot, Turkish Cypriot, Greek and Turkish, and my own site visits. For example, former UN peacekeeper Richard Patrick said that '[m]ost of the abandoned villages and quarters were ransacked and even burned by Greek-Cypriots'. It is a fact that many places were burned or otherwise destroyed, so I don't know why you've stressed it like that.

The question is which places were burned or otherwise destroyed. I thought the point of this discussion was to work out which villages had been abandoned/looted/burned/bulldozed, so that we would then have a list. I didn't realise the point was to work out that we didn't have a list, so that we could then say that no villages were destroyed. Once we've worked out which villages were destroyed, we can write them in alphabetical order and you can have your list.

Do you think it's more likely that the UN Secretary-General, who had no personal interest in Cyprus, printed 'coffee shop bullshit', or more likely that locals, who may not want to say that members of their community drove out their neighbours from their homes then burned the homes so they couldn't return, had... amnesia?

I don't think so, as most of the people I spoke to remembered and admitting many atrocities against the TCs which no one has ever written of yet.

You don't think so what? You genuinely think it's more likely that the UN turned out 'coffee shop bullshit'?

Anyway, you prove my point. There are lots of atrocities (against both sides) that have not been written about (by either side). So, we need to collect the information, then we can know the true history. So, once we've put all of the pieces of the puzzle together, we can see which villages and neighbourhoods were damaged or destroyed and we can know the history of the destruction of Cypriot community life.

Just like we cannot say that, "if an atrocity has not been written about, it didn't happen", we cannot say that, "if the burning of a village has not been written about, it didn't happen". We need to find out what happened, then write about it. Like knowing that Peristerona-Morphou was one of the abandoned villages that was not burned. Now we can include it on the list of villages abandoned in 1963-1964, but exclude it from the list of villages burned in 1963 or afterwards.

[kafenes]

Now we can include it on the list of villages abandoned in 1963-1964, but exclude it from the list of villages burned in 1963 or afterwards

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Great! Now we're going to start a list of the villages which weren't burnt down. Sorry mate, not interested in all this airy fairy stuff. I am out of here!

[zan]

We still don't know which villages were looted/burned/bulldozed. I suppose we could start a new thread under a different name, but, given we all know that "hundreds" of villages were not burned - but many, many villages were - on this thread or on another, it's still worth trying to work out which villages they were, isn't there [isn't it]?

Do you have any idea what you're talking about? You're not making sense at all. Find a list of the villages and then get back to me!!

Well, the sources I'm working from are reports by the UN and by former UN peacekeepers, as well as information from people in Cyprus, Greek Cypriot, Turkish Cypriot, Greek and Turkish, and my own site visits. For example, former UN peacekeeper Richard Patrick said that '[m]ost of the abandoned villages and quarters were ransacked and even burned by Greek-Cypriots'. It is a fact that many places were burned or otherwise destroyed, so I don't know why you've stressed it like that.

The question is which places were burned or otherwise destroyed. I thought the point of this discussion was to work out which villages had been abandoned/looted/burned/bulldozed, so that we would then have a list. I didn't realise the point was to work out that we didn't have a list, so that we could then say that no villages were destroyed. Once we've worked out which villages were destroyed, we can write them in alphabetical order and you can have your list.

Do you think it's more likely that the UN Secretary-General, who had no personal interest in Cyprus, printed 'coffee shop bullshit', or more likely that locals, who may not want to say that members of their community drove out their neighbours from their homes then burned the homes so they couldn't return, had... amnesia?

I don't think so, as most of the people I spoke to remembered and admitting many atrocities against the TCs which no one has ever written of yet.

You don't think so what? You genuinely think it's more likely that the UN turned out 'coffee shop bullshit'?

Anyway, you prove my point. There are lots of atrocities (against both sides) that have not been written about (by either side). So, we need to collect the information, then we can know the true history. So, once we've put all of the pieces of the puzzle together, we can see which villages and neighbourhoods were damaged or destroyed and we can know the history of the destruction of Cypriot community life.

Just like we cannot say that, "if an atrocity has not been written about, it didn't happen", we cannot say that, "if the burning of a village has not been written about, it didn't happen". We need to find out what happened, then write about it. Like knowing that Peristerona-Morphou was one of the abandoned villages that was not burned. Now we can include it on the list of villages abandoned in 1963-1964, but exclude it from the list of villages burned in 1963 or afterwards.

It would be of great interest to me and other honest people but the likes of Kafenes who are either totally taken in by Greek propaganda or is part of the system of that propaganda, don't like to go there. The fact that many of there "Clear up" operations have been exposed over the years, one being the number of missing and the number of GCs killed before Turkeys peace operation, means nothing to them. The changing of TC names and the total erasing of villages so that these things can never be finalised seems to go whizzing over their heads. The fact that this all happened right in front of their faces leaves us to think that they can only be stupid or are part of the propaganda system.......

[samarkeolog]

Now we can include it on the list of villages abandoned in 1963-1964, but exclude it from the list of villages burned in 1963 or afterwards

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Great! Now we're going to start a list of the villages which weren't burnt down. Sorry mate, not interested in all this airy fairy stuff. I am out of here!

No, we have a list of abandoned villages (actually, more than one, but anyway...). If we keep the abandoned villages that were burned/bombed/bulldozed and remove the villages that weren't, we're left with... a list of the villages that were burned down (or otherwise destroyed).

Isn't what you're saying basically, "if you've got a list of burned places, I'll read it - but if you haven't, I'm going to assume there are no burned places to make a list of"? If anything you don't already know is "airy-fairy stuff" you're not interested in, why were you in here to begin with?

I will post a list if I ever get enough information to write one, but as you've seen on this thread, it is difficult to get the information - but that doesn't mean that there is no information to get...