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[samarkeolog]

Can we all finally agree that when mainland Turkish writer Adnan Tink alleges in the following article:

http://www.hurhaber.net/makaledetails.isk?ID=437

that 130 Turkish Cypriot villages were burned in 1963, this is a lie, and a lie whose only purpose is to flan the flames of hatred? This, Halil, is the only point I am trying to prove.

I'm not saying it is not a lie. But it could be genuine ignorance. If you combine the different lists of allegedly abandoned, damaged or destroyed villages and neighbourhoods, they can add up to 130, or even more.

Can we not agree on this and, as GR suggests, declare this thread closed?

We still don't know which villages were looted/burned/bulldozed. I suppose we could start a new thread under a different name, but, given we all know that "hundreds" of villages were not burned - but many, many villages were - on this thread or on another, it's still worth trying to work out which villages they were, isn't there?

Regarding the 'detailed survey' where it gives figures like '109' and '527' and then uses the phrase 'MOST OF THEM' doesn't sound detailed but more like coffee shop bullshit.

It was probably to avoid the question of whether a village with 990 Greek Cypriots and 10 Turkish Cypriots, or 990 Turkish Cypriots and 10 Greek Cypriots, were Greek Cypriot, Turkish Cypriot, or "mixed".

Do you think it's more likely that the UN Secretary-General, who had no personal interest in Cyprus, printed 'coffee shop bullshit', or more likely that locals, who may not want to say that members of their community drove out their neighbours from their homes then burned the homes so they couldn't return, had... amnesia?

You'd be amazed how many Greek Cypriots forget that they had a mosque in their village until 1964. (And I didn't accept Turkish propaganda or gossip. It was the forgetful Greek Cypriots' Greek Cypriot neighbours who laughed, 'yes, the mosque's always in the next village over', then showed me the ruins down the road.)

BTW it's 'OMORPHITA' and not 'ORPHOMITA'. Get your detailed survey facts correct.

The original report spelled it correctly, and he only mistyped it. Is this the level we're at now?

[Get Real!]

Sorry, but without UN doc. S/5950 you ain't got no facts...

However, I not only quoted from but linked to the UN Security Council Report website-hosted pdf of that report in this thread:

in Report S/5950, the United Nations [Secretary-General] (1964: 48 - para. 180) stated that 'in 109 villages, most of them Turkish Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting', so a lot more villages than Patrick named must also have had damaged and destroyed homes, and that was only up to September 1964. (So by 1967, 1974, 1976, or later, there would have been many, many more damaged and destroyed places.)

So, now you can read it, from an official source. Will you accept it now?

Your link points to S/8286!

[halil]

soon , i will put Quotes from KUTLU ADALİ book called Dağarcık .(I,II)

you will get shock ..... most of the claims will be lighted up .....

book covers the Cyprus villages from 1955 -1963 ...... Also gives full details of the TC's villages converted names in Turkish .... we will see that villages named not changed after 1974 ...... which name was planned to change their names and what name the villagers excepted .....

If i can get another copies of these books i can post for you TİM DRAYTON .


first i will put Turkish words and under the lines i will try to translate .

books are on sale at IŞIK KITAPEVI in north Nicosia .

writer is KUTLU ADALI ..... don't tell me that it was Turkish propaganda !!!!

[samarkeolog]

Your link points to S/8286!

Sorry, I'd downloaded it ages ago, couldn't find it on my Google Desktop, and took it from the address history without looking. I'd forgotten I'd downloaded that one as well. This one is the correct link, though, isn't it? http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/Cyprus%20S%205950.pdf.

So, now?

[Get Real!]

soon , i will put Quotes from KUTLU ADALİ book called Dağarcık .(I,II)

No no no! Enough of these unauthorized individuals spreading misinformation!

[Get Real!]

Your link points to S/8286!

Sorry, I'd downloaded it ages ago, couldn't find it on my Google Desktop, and took it from the address history without looking. I'd forgotten I'd downloaded that one as well. This one is the correct link, though, isn't it? http://www.securitycouncilreport.org/atf/cf/%7B65BFCF9B-6D27-4E9C-8CD3-CF6E4FF96FF9%7D/Cyprus%20S%205950.pdf.

So, now?

Thanks for the link... this is HUGE! (8.8Mb) I'll have to examine this tonight and get back to you.

[bill cobbett]

Sorry, but without UN doc. S/5950 you ain't got no facts...

However, I not only quoted from but linked to the UN Security Council Report website-hosted pdf of that report in this thread:

in Report S/5950, the United Nations [Secretary-General] (1964: 48 - para. 180) stated that 'in 109 villages, most of them Turkish Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting', so a lot more villages than Patrick named must also have had damaged and destroyed homes, and that was only up to September 1964. (So by 1967, 1974, 1976, or later, there would have been many, many more damaged and destroyed places.)

So, now you can read it, from an official source. Will you accept it now?

Your link points to S/8286!

WTF is going on here? It does indeed link to S/8286! A very interesting and lengthy read but not the right one. This is very poor.

[samarkeolog]

WTF is going on here? It does indeed link to S/8286! A very interesting and lengthy read but not the right one. This is very poor.

Nothing the fuck is going on here except for an idle cock-up on my part.

[halil]

soon , i will put Quotes from KUTLU ADALİ book called Dağarcık .(I,II)

No no no! Enough of these unauthorized individuals spreading misinformation!

You see GR , anything does not suit u ...... unauthorized or not creditable ..... These books are writen doıwn from the expriencies and living trough all those years ...... also combined from the village reports.

they should translate these books into Greek and English as well ....also they should translate similar books from Greek to Turkish and English .

don't worry from my wrong translations we have enough people in this forum to correct it .

we will learn secrets of the Cyprus ......

[zan]

Dr Georgios Nakratzas
Chest-physician, Writer

Shit happens when your sources are unauthorized individuals…

http://www.macedoniaontheweb.com/forum/ ... atzas.html

http://www.theturkishtimes.com/archive/ ... tters.html

http://www.mymacedonia.net/links/email4.htm

Who cares where it comes from......That tactic does not work on me sweatheart.....The fact is..:


On 10 September 1964 the UN Secretary-General reported (UN doc. S/5950):
"UNFICYP carried out a detailed survey of all damage to properties throughout the island during the disturbances, . . . . . . . . . it shows that in 109 villages, most of them Turkish-Cypriot or mixed villages, 527 houses have been destroyed while 2,000 others have suffered damage from looting. In Ktima 38 houses and shops have been destroyed totally and 122 partially. In the Orphomita suburb of Nicosia, 50 houses have been totally destroyed while a further 240 have been partially destroyed there and in adjacent suburbs."

Now we seem to be getting just a little closer to the truth.
Zan, I presume this is your way of admitting that 108 villages were not burnt down. I accept your apology.
Regarding the 'detailed survey' where it gives figures like '109' and '527' and then uses the phrase 'MOST OF THEM' doesn't sound detailed but more like coffee shop bullshit.
38 houses and shops 'totally destroyed' in Ktima is also very incorrect according to Ktima residents who witnessed 1964 troubles first hand.
BTW it's 'OMORPHITA' and not 'ORPHOMITA'. Get your detailed survey facts correct.

I am not angry at you or about to apologise for anything my dear sweat singing whale.........You interpret what you want as is the case when you hate Turks in two dimensions. The fact that it was TCs that were leaving these villages and that they were MOSTLY Greek, as you claim, then I would hazard a guess that the homes that were burned and looted were TC......Now as to numbers........I can only go on what I have read just like you guys. The fact that I don't try to defend these acts is what separates me from you....The fact that TC village names were changed and that you guys are claiming the damage and destruction for yourselves leaves somehow escapes you..I expect this kind of behaviour from GR,DT, Oracle and the likes is one thing but you guys joining in and trying to add insult to INJURY is just fine by me because it helps my people see the real "RoC".....The fact that you cannot take things as hey are and are trying to change our minds on things we know happened, through REAL stories told to me by my elders, makes us better at fighting your tyranny....Try reading other posters evidence as well and don't get too heated up about trying to prove me wrong and then you too might be at peace with the Cyprus murders and discrimination.....Tim Nice but Dim would do better to try and report the truth as well rather than talking about peace without truth.....