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[denizaksulu]

I didn't realize that us referring to the GC's as "Rum" was derogatory, even the Turkish news on TV and the radio here AND in Turkey usually refer to them as "Rum" or "Guney Kibris Rum yonetimi".

It is NOT derogatory at all. We have other derogatory words, which I do not include in my vocabulary. Even Mevlana is Rumi.

gavour

We have used the word 'giavourcuk', not as a derogatory word, merely to denote a young or child GC or a GC friend. The word gavur is used in that way. I suppose we have used the word to denote TC haters or Eoka members, but not to the ordinary GC.

[Get Real!]

Gavur is not actually that derogatory, it just means foreign or non-Muslim, or more precisely, from a religion which doesn't follow any prophet.

Gavur = Unbeliever.

End of story.

[Tim Drayton]

I didn't realize that us referring to the GC's as "Rum" was derogatory, even the Turkish news on TV and the radio here AND in Turkey usually refer to them as "Rum" or "Guney Kibris Rum yonetimi".

It is NOT derogatory at all. We have other derogatory words, which I do not include in my vocabulary. Even Mevlana is Rumi.

gavour

We have used the word 'giavourcuk', not as a derogatory word, merely to denote a young or child GC or a GC friend. The word gavur is used in that way. I suppose we have used the word to denote TC haters or Eoka members, but not to the ordinary GC.

Sorry, but sitting in coffee shops in the north of Cyprus I fairly frequently hear the term 'gavur' used to refer to GCs in general.

[phoenix]

"Kalamarades" anyone care to explain?

Kalamari = squid (murekkep baligi) hence phoenix' stupid remark.

Deniz ... stop speaking with authority when you clearly know nothing

The derivation of Kalamarades as I suggested was from kalami (stalk, reed) and referred to the fact that these were used as quills by Greeks doing what Greeks do best .... writing!

Now stop doing what Turks do best ..... falsifying!

[phoenix]

What about the term Kalamarades?

Didn't the Turks call the Greeks that in a disparaging way to insult them for turning to writing / scribbling with quills?

Phoenix, I'm pretty sure the only people insulting theGreeks with the term Kalamarades are the GC's..

D.T.

I had it on fairly good authority that it was first used against the Greeks by Turks and later adopted by GCs.

However, I would like it confirmed by anyone that knows for sure.

[denizaksulu]

I didn't realize that us referring to the GC's as "Rum" was derogatory, even the Turkish news on TV and the radio here AND in Turkey usually refer to them as "Rum" or "Guney Kibris Rum yonetimi".

It is NOT derogatory at all. We have other derogatory words, which I do not include in my vocabulary. Even Mevlana is Rumi.

gavour

We have used the word 'giavourcuk', not as a derogatory word, merely to denote a young or child GC or a GC friend. The word gavur is used in that way. I suppose we have used the word to denote TC haters or Eoka members, but not to the ordinary GC.

Sorry, but sitting in coffee shops in the north of Cyprus I fairly frequently hear the term 'gavur' used to refer to GCs in general.

Tim, I did use past tense (I think)

[shahmaran]

Gavur is not actually that derogatory, it just means foreign or non-Muslim, or more precisely, from a religion which doesn't follow any prophet.

Gavur = Unbeliever.

End of story.

That's not actually true, "kafir" is unbeliever, "gavur" is foreigner or the follower or a religion which does not follow any prophets, ie the Chinese, Japanese, Indian, so Christians cannot be "gavur" in that sense, but can be also used to call people who are not Turkish.

Are you teaching me my own language?

[humanist]

Shah

Oh right, i thought it was the GC's who refused the agreement (apparently every single one put forward so far), yet it is us who pushes for division.

Explain me that logic please Humanist.

Lets me also add that i don't want to hear about how you didn't like the conditions of the offer, because that doesn't sound like someone who actually wants peace but rather like someone who wants ALL or nothing.

Shah I was responding to Zan's coments as to whether Turkish speaking Cypriots got a mention in a reports and I made the coment that or posed the question why should they?


You gate Greek speaking Cypriot guts, you hold the country hostage, you do not allow people to return to theitr homes and most importantly you have separated the Island in two and call the occupied area a republic so ask then whay should Turkish Cypriots living a different country, with different laws mention Turkish speaking Cypriots in reports on their country.

Greek speaking Cypriots rejected a plan that did not allow full independence of their country, whereby foreign forces would meddle in its business. Shah the division already exists and you community s happy about it, or at least potrays that notion. Pushing you a division is a myth mate because division is alreadyin existence.

if you are refering to me personally about not wanting peace well that is far from the truth, peace does not mean I allow you to take my grandmothers home because you can. I haven't seen any TC's ocupying a GC refugee's home saying you can have it back I'll move elsewhere. And even if an honourable TC did that do you think Talat and his administration would allow it to take place??? I think NOT.

On another level it is not a case of wanting it ALL or nothing but a fair and just conditions would be appreciated and will get a YES. My personal view on the NOI is that Papadopoulos made a big blunder by acceptig te AP to go to referendum if there were conditions that he did not liek and should have firstly got the changes he wanted unless he was cornered by the Americans and the British who kiss Turkish arse.

Am all for a United Cyprus and am all for a Turkish and greek states only because I want the fiasco to end, (my ideal is a true Federation one country one person one vote .... but hey that ain't gonna happen this lifetime). What I would like to see in a bizonal federation is all refugees returning or being given the right of return and the TC's exchanging their land in the south with Church or government land in the north to build their homes on, that way your community can stay in the TC state where it will do what it will do and be the majority that it seeks. if that is unfair I am themn someone who has no idea of fairness and justice.

More related to this thread though are Greek Cypriots represented in any publications of the occupied Cyprus.? How fair is that? What have you as an individual done to make sure thay they are? Would you as an individual liekit to be GC mention in publications?

[denizaksulu]

Shah

Oh right, i thought it was the GC's who refused the agreement (apparently every single one put forward so far), yet it is us who pushes for division.

Explain me that logic please Humanist.

Lets me also add that i don't want to hear about how you didn't like the conditions of the offer, because that doesn't sound like someone who actually wants peace but rather like someone who wants ALL or nothing.

Shah I was responding to Zan's coments as to whether Turkish speaking Cypriots got a mention in a reports and I made the coment that or posed the question why should they?


You gate Greek speaking Cypriot guts, you hold the country hostage, you do not allow people to return to theitr homes and most importantly you have separated the Island in two and call the occupied area a republic so ask then whay should Turkish Cypriots living a different country, with different laws mention Turkish speaking Cypriots in reports on their country.

Greek speaking Cypriots rejected a plan that did not allow full independence of their country, whereby foreign forces would meddle in its business. Shah the division already exists and you community s happy about it, or at least potrays that notion. Pushing you a division is a myth mate because division is alreadyin existence.

if you are refering to me personally about not wanting peace well that is far from the truth, peace does not mean I allow you to take my grandmothers home because you can. I haven't seen any TC's ocupying a GC refugee's home saying you can have it back I'll move elsewhere. And even if an honourable TC did that do you think Talat and his administration would allow it to take place??? I think NOT.

On another level it is not a case of wanting it ALL or nothing but a fair and just conditions would be appreciated and will get a YES. My personal view on the NOI is that Papadopoulos made a big blunder by acceptig te AP to go to referendum if there were conditions that he did not liek and should have firstly got the changes he wanted unless he was cornered by the Americans and the British who kiss Turkish arse.

Am all for a United Cyprus and am all for a Turkish and greek states only because I want the fiasco to end, (my ideal is a true Federation one country one person one vote .... but hey that ain't gonna happen this lifetime). What I would like to see in a bizonal federation is all refugees returning or being given the right of return and the TC's exchanging their land in the south with Church or government land in the north to build their homes on, that way your community can stay in the TC state where it will do what it will do and be the majority that it seeks. if that is unfair I am themn someone who has no idea of fairness and justice.

More related to this thread though are Greek Cypriots represented in any publications of the occupied Cyprus.? How fair is that? What have you as an individual done to make sure thay they are? Would you as an individual liekit to be GC mention in publications?

What is gnawing at me is that Tpapa was originally for the Annan plan, then puruaded his people to say no. Having originally said NO meant that there was something in that plan which could have been 'worked' upon. I can not believe that a few changes or further ammendments would not be forthcoming after agreeing to it - with provisos for this. It would have been a starting point.

[humanist]

Deniz

What is gnawing at me is that Tpapa was originally for the Annan plan, then puruaded his people to say no. Having originally said NO meant that there was something in that plan which could have been 'worked' upon. I can not believe that a few changes or further ammendments would not be forthcoming after agreeing to it - with provisos for this. It would have been a starting point.

Go figure mate ...... his biggest bluder on this was to allow it to go to referendum without being happy about it. Changes should have been made beforehand as youclearly point out.

Intersting I was reading cyprus weekly yesterday I think and there was amention of the UN not initiating another plan but will support a locally home grown one, here we go another 34 years back. I don't believe that either side has thew calibur of men or women to solve this problem.