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[zan]

Much has been said about the Turkish Army, as an occupying force and as a 'saviour' to the Turkish Cypriot people. Little violence exists between them, and their counterparts, Greek Cypriots, for which many give it credit. Beside the nature of Cypriots as a people, toward respect and inclusiveness, there is i believe one other interlocutor that we should have gratititude, whether we are Turcophone or Grecophone, and those are the troops of the UN, who are 'our' witness. Without them, surely the fanatics that still prowl among us would sway, with the bloodshead which follows.

Your comments, thank-you.

THEY WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR RECOGNITION OF THE GCS AS THE ONLY GOVERNMENT ON THE ISLAND. sorry for the capitals but the loch was on....My brother remembers them standing and watching as Sampson rounded up the people in Kucuk Kaymakli and imprison the women and shoot the men....Fat lot of good they have been....

a bit like they were standing around when Isaak and SOlomou were getting killed by the grey wolves and tc police in front of the worlds cameras.

Did not quite make up for 300 men in one go but then that is about as useful as they turned up to be......


Sorry...Don't want this tit for tat business again...Went on for hours last night....

a comment like the one above basically says that the UN was only unfair to TC's being killed and not when GC's were being killed.

Tit for tat is all that happens around here because we aren't require to think as much when doing it.

When we raise the level of discussion around here I'll be right there with you.

When everything we say is dismissed without a thought DT then things turn silly. I am with you when and IF the mentality gets to a point that our plight and the facts are accepted...I am not holding my breath on that one though but ever hopeful....

your plight was in the past....(and the fact that both communities suffered it is arguable) Our plight is now, my home is held now. WHen is our plight going to be understood by you?

There you go again.. My plight is that you have my country as your own and are holding me under siege...Please don't give me the shit about I don't live there...

[DT.]

There i go again....silly little thing really...you holding what 3 generations of my family worked their lives for.

don't worry about it Zan, the nice lady that lives there gave my mother back her wedding pictures.

[zan]

There i go again....silly little thing really...you holding what 3 generations of my family worked their lives for.

don't worry about it Zan, the nice lady that lives there gave my mother back her wedding pictures.

My house has crumbled to the ground DT and my land is in the buffer zone....You blame it all on me and I say that is not so.......The Zurich agreement should be returned an will not so blame your government....

[DT.]

There i go again....silly little thing really...you holding what 3 generations of my family worked their lives for.

don't worry about it Zan, the nice lady that lives there gave my mother back her wedding pictures.

My house has crumbled to the ground DT and my land is in the buffer zone....You blame it all on me and I say that is not so.......The Zurich agreement should be returned an will not so blame your government....

The zurich agreement didn 't work in the 60's why would it work now?

[zan]

There i go again....silly little thing really...you holding what 3 generations of my family worked their lives for.

don't worry about it Zan, the nice lady that lives there gave my mother back her wedding pictures.

My house has crumbled to the ground DT and my land is in the buffer zone....You blame it all on me and I say that is not so.......The Zurich agreement should be returned an will not so blame your government....

The zurich agreement didn 't work in the 60's why would it work now?

Did you read the Akritas plan on the Zurich agreement DT.....Any plan will not work with ideas like that...Please

[DT.]

There i go again....silly little thing really...you holding what 3 generations of my family worked their lives for.

don't worry about it Zan, the nice lady that lives there gave my mother back her wedding pictures.

My house has crumbled to the ground DT and my land is in the buffer zone....You blame it all on me and I say that is not so.......The Zurich agreement should be returned an will not so blame your government....

The zurich agreement didn 't work in the 60's why would it work now?

Did you read the Akritas plan on the Zurich agreement DT.....Any plan will not work with ideas like that...Please

any plan will not work when 18% of the population veto the govt into paralysis.

[zan]

There i go again....silly little thing really...you holding what 3 generations of my family worked their lives for.

don't worry about it Zan, the nice lady that lives there gave my mother back her wedding pictures.

My house has crumbled to the ground DT and my land is in the buffer zone....You blame it all on me and I say that is not so.......The Zurich agreement should be returned an will not so blame your government....

The zurich agreement didn 't work in the 60's why would it work now?

Did you read the Akritas plan on the Zurich agreement DT.....Any plan will not work with ideas like that...Please

any plan will not work when 18% of the population veto the govt into paralysis.

Bullshit......Good night!!!!

[repulsewarrior]

DT., I hope you have read my proposal toward our Problem in other posts. It follows the principals of our Constitution of 1960, it allows for true Bicommunal representation: a central Government which is Bicameral, and in its design, applying the principal of equality in a manner where all citizens gain from the countervailing power it provides. And two National Assemblies to represent persons as an ethnic majority so that they can over a territorial jurisdiction provide the services which may sustain themselves respecting the minorities amongst them, each recognising the special needs they have, and with an equal vote to its electors. The principal of Bizonality will serve each society with diversity if enclaves are introduced into the geography and its political nature, as well as resolving the injustice of their displacement, some will return as communities, in the north as well as the south. Settlers who merit citizenship, can be provided homes, and a the fresh start they deserve, instead of houses.

[DT.]

DT., I hope you have read my proposal toward our Problem in other posts. It follows the principals of our Constitution of 1960, it allows for true Bicommunal representation: a central Government which is Bicameral, and in its design, applying the principal of equality in a manner where all citizens gain from the countervailing power it provides. And two National Assemblies to represent persons as an ethnic majority so that they can over a territorial jurisdiction provide the services which may sustain themselves respecting the minorities amongst them, each recognising the special needs they have, and with an equal vote to its electors. The principal of Bizonality will serve each society with diversity if enclaves are introduced into the geography and its political nature, as well as resolving the injustice of their displacement, some will return as communities, in the north as well as the south. Settlers who merit citizenship, can be provided homes, and a the fresh start they deserve, instead of houses.

will there hae to be guranteed majorities in the 2 zones of the two groups? If yes for how long?

[repulsewarrior]

I am not sure that it will be necessary. Consider that the enclaves will assure that an ethnic majority can exist within its own domain, and that services will be provided by the respective National Assembly, because displaced people will have the opportunity to return as a group without affecting the territory which surrounds it. Generally speaking such a safeguard can be put in place to secure the confidence of all island dwellers regardless of where they are living, especially Turkish Cypriots who are living in the north, but voting rights of minorities are not curtailed as in the Annan Plan, in either zone.

More importantly, there will be an incentive to recognise their responsibility toward minority rights by both National Assemblies. Their own credibility as a majority is reciprocal and is demonstrated by their inclusiveness. Services will be provided to respect the special needs of 'others', with an eye to the changing demographics that our membership into the EU will bring.

As well, a central government, free of ethnic bias, sovereign as the State, above these two governments will provide greater security for all citizens in defending Individual Rights.