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[shahmaran]

They even exist in the UK boomerang, I'm sure they exist there too, they exist everywhere and it is not all about education.

Let me also remind you that the guy who bombed the Underground in London was a well educated teacher who thought disabled children.

[zan]

Shit if you think 16 your old mothers is "rape" then i take it you have never been to the UK!

The scarf is seen as a political symbol and it promotes division, lot of EU countries like France are also debating it, and some are even talking about banning Christian cross necklaces.

Education is the key Shahmaran, and not banning...Somehow you missed the point...I did say univercity...Somehow I do not see all these graduates taking up jihad upon there graduation...or whatever sharia law...they moved on...

As Eliko summed it before, the people that adhere to Islam, ain't terrorists...

Human rights is the key here...

Boomerang
What do you think of the system in Iran?
Do you think people of Iran have human rights?
Given the chance these people who are campaigning for the head scarf wouldn't hesitate to bring sharia law to Turkey....what do you say to that?

Iceman, you can't compare Iran, that is run by a bunch of 10th century thinking to Turkey...

Turkey is suppose to be a democracy, and Ataturk made it into a secular country a long time ago...

The problem I see with Turkey since its conception 80 odd years ago failed to deliver education but rather chose to impose secularism via force...and this is the problem...

Force does not work, education works...Somehow I don't see muslims in Australia, women, wearing headscarves, getting education, a nice standard of living reverting back to sharia law...or wanting/expecting it...

Turkey is in the process of having a whole new constitution...These things have to be discussed as far as I am concerned.

The fact is Boomers that 8o years ago Attaturk was all about education but religion stood in his way so banning was right for that time. His ideas for Europeanising Turkey was not seen through....He was seen as setting the women free from such constraints.

[boomerang]

They even exist in the UK boomerang, I'm sure they exist there too, they exist everywhere and it is not all about education.

Let me also remind you that the guy who bombed the Underground in London was a well educated teacher who thought disabled children.

One person in how many Shahmaran?...How many muslim people applauded this action?...or you think every white male is a ted bundy?

Or are you implying, people that wear turban or headscarf, should be shot on sight?

[boomerang]

Shit if you think 16 your old mothers is "rape" then i take it you have never been to the UK!

The scarf is seen as a political symbol and it promotes division, lot of EU countries like France are also debating it, and some are even talking about banning Christian cross necklaces.

Education is the key Shahmaran, and not banning...Somehow you missed the point...I did say univercity...Somehow I do not see all these graduates taking up jihad upon there graduation...or whatever sharia law...they moved on...

As Eliko summed it before, the people that adhere to Islam, ain't terrorists...

Human rights is the key here...

Boomerang
What do you think of the system in Iran?
Do you think people of Iran have human rights?
Given the chance these people who are campaigning for the head scarf wouldn't hesitate to bring sharia law to Turkey....what do you say to that?

Iceman, you can't compare Iran, that is run by a bunch of 10th century thinking to Turkey...

Turkey is suppose to be a democracy, and Ataturk made it into a secular country a long time ago...

The problem I see with Turkey since its conception 80 odd years ago failed to deliver education but rather chose to impose secularism via force...and this is the problem...

Force does not work, education works...Somehow I don't see muslims in Australia, women, wearing headscarves, getting education, a nice standard of living reverting back to sharia law...or wanting/expecting it...

Turkey is in the process of having a whole new constitution...These things have to be discussed as far as I am concerned.

The fact is Boomers that 8o years ago Attaturk was all about education but religion stood in his way so banning was right for that time. His ideas for Europeanising Turkey was not seen through....He was seen as setting the women free from such constraints.

Yeah and the way the system thought best was to procecute these people and force a belief...
Can't you accept the fact that force breeds force?

[zan]

Shit if you think 16 your old mothers is "rape" then i take it you have never been to the UK!

The scarf is seen as a political symbol and it promotes division, lot of EU countries like France are also debating it, and some are even talking about banning Christian cross necklaces.

Education is the key Shahmaran, and not banning...Somehow you missed the point...I did say univercity...Somehow I do not see all these graduates taking up jihad upon there graduation...or whatever sharia law...they moved on...

As Eliko summed it before, the people that adhere to Islam, ain't terrorists...

Human rights is the key here...

Boomerang
What do you think of the system in Iran?
Do you think people of Iran have human rights?
Given the chance these people who are campaigning for the head scarf wouldn't hesitate to bring sharia law to Turkey....what do you say to that?

Iceman, you can't compare Iran, that is run by a bunch of 10th century thinking to Turkey...

Turkey is suppose to be a democracy, and Ataturk made it into a secular country a long time ago...

The problem I see with Turkey since its conception 80 odd years ago failed to deliver education but rather chose to impose secularism via force...and this is the problem...

Force does not work, education works...Somehow I don't see muslims in Australia, women, wearing headscarves, getting education, a nice standard of living reverting back to sharia law...or wanting/expecting it...

Turkey is in the process of having a whole new constitution...These things have to be discussed as far as I am concerned.

The fact is Boomers that 8o years ago Attaturk was all about education but religion stood in his way so banning was right for that time. His ideas for Europeanising Turkey was not seen through....He was seen as setting the women free from such constraints.

Yeah and the way the system thought best was to procecute these people and force a beleive...

Can't you accept the fact that force breeds force?

I said for the time Boomers...If Attaturk had lived and his balanced ways were seen through then all would be different today..When using force and not balancing it with results to the better then things go wrong of course.....You also have to respect the fact that Turkey was new and it had many enemies trying to break it up more than it already was......Desperate times mean desperate measures...Just like the Anti Terror laws in the UK now...

[boomerang]

Shit if you think 16 your old mothers is "rape" then i take it you have never been to the UK!

The scarf is seen as a political symbol and it promotes division, lot of EU countries like France are also debating it, and some are even talking about banning Christian cross necklaces.

Education is the key Shahmaran, and not banning...Somehow you missed the point...I did say univercity...Somehow I do not see all these graduates taking up jihad upon there graduation...or whatever sharia law...they moved on...

As Eliko summed it before, the people that adhere to Islam, ain't terrorists...

Human rights is the key here...

Boomerang
What do you think of the system in Iran?
Do you think people of Iran have human rights?
Given the chance these people who are campaigning for the head scarf wouldn't hesitate to bring sharia law to Turkey....what do you say to that?

Iceman, you can't compare Iran, that is run by a bunch of 10th century thinking to Turkey...

Turkey is suppose to be a democracy, and Ataturk made it into a secular country a long time ago...

The problem I see with Turkey since its conception 80 odd years ago failed to deliver education but rather chose to impose secularism via force...and this is the problem...

Force does not work, education works...Somehow I don't see muslims in Australia, women, wearing headscarves, getting education, a nice standard of living reverting back to sharia law...or wanting/expecting it...

Turkey is in the process of having a whole new constitution...These things have to be discussed as far as I am concerned.

The fact is Boomers that 8o years ago Attaturk was all about education but religion stood in his way so banning was right for that time. His ideas for Europeanising Turkey was not seen through....He was seen as setting the women free from such constraints.

Yeah and the way the system thought best was to procecute these people and force a beleive...

Can't you accept the fact that force breeds force?

I said for the time Boomers...If Attaturk had lived and his balanced ways were seen through then all would be different today..When using force and not balancing it with results to the better then things go wrong of course.....You also have to respect the fact that Turkey was new and it had many enemies trying to break it up more than it already was......Desperate times mean desperate measures...Just like the Anti Terror laws in the UK now...

Zan, thats no excuse...Turkey had 80 odd years to reform...and to this very day she is still battling the ghost from her past...and this is the problem...

Turkey should have also embraced her multiculturism...she failed in this as well...Ataturk was wrong when he said we are all turks and imposed it on the population...

Not everything Ataturk preached was correct...

[zan]

Shit if you think 16 your old mothers is "rape" then i take it you have never been to the UK!

The scarf is seen as a political symbol and it promotes division, lot of EU countries like France are also debating it, and some are even talking about banning Christian cross necklaces.

Education is the key Shahmaran, and not banning...Somehow you missed the point...I did say univercity...Somehow I do not see all these graduates taking up jihad upon there graduation...or whatever sharia law...they moved on...

As Eliko summed it before, the people that adhere to Islam, ain't terrorists...

Human rights is the key here...

Boomerang
What do you think of the system in Iran?
Do you think people of Iran have human rights?
Given the chance these people who are campaigning for the head scarf wouldn't hesitate to bring sharia law to Turkey....what do you say to that?

Iceman, you can't compare Iran, that is run by a bunch of 10th century thinking to Turkey...

Turkey is suppose to be a democracy, and Ataturk made it into a secular country a long time ago...

The problem I see with Turkey since its conception 80 odd years ago failed to deliver education but rather chose to impose secularism via force...and this is the problem...

Force does not work, education works...Somehow I don't see muslims in Australia, women, wearing headscarves, getting education, a nice standard of living reverting back to sharia law...or wanting/expecting it...

Turkey is in the process of having a whole new constitution...These things have to be discussed as far as I am concerned.

The fact is Boomers that 8o years ago Attaturk was all about education but religion stood in his way so banning was right for that time. His ideas for Europeanising Turkey was not seen through....He was seen as setting the women free from such constraints.

Yeah and the way the system thought best was to procecute these people and force a beleive...

Can't you accept the fact that force breeds force?

I said for the time Boomers...If Attaturk had lived and his balanced ways were seen through then all would be different today..When using force and not balancing it with results to the better then things go wrong of course.....You also have to respect the fact that Turkey was new and it had many enemies trying to break it up more than it already was......Desperate times mean desperate measures...Just like the Anti Terror laws in the UK now...

Zan, thats no excuse...Turkey had 80 odd years to reform...and to this very day she is still battling the ghost from her past...and this is the problem...

Turkey should have also embraced her multiculturism...she failed in this as well...Ataturk was wrong when he said we are all turks and imposed it on the population...

Not everything Ataturk preached was correct...

To embrace every one and make them love their country was wrong How do you think Greece did it or the UK or the USA or OZ...... Multi culturism is only possible when the country has an identity....Turkey did not have one and Attaturk was the Key....Look at the coups in Greece and how recently they have found them selves.

[boomerang]

Shit if you think 16 your old mothers is "rape" then i take it you have never been to the UK!

The scarf is seen as a political symbol and it promotes division, lot of EU countries like France are also debating it, and some are even talking about banning Christian cross necklaces.

Education is the key Shahmaran, and not banning...Somehow you missed the point...I did say univercity...Somehow I do not see all these graduates taking up jihad upon there graduation...or whatever sharia law...they moved on...

As Eliko summed it before, the people that adhere to Islam, ain't terrorists...

Human rights is the key here...

Boomerang
What do you think of the system in Iran?
Do you think people of Iran have human rights?
Given the chance these people who are campaigning for the head scarf wouldn't hesitate to bring sharia law to Turkey....what do you say to that?

Iceman, you can't compare Iran, that is run by a bunch of 10th century thinking to Turkey...

Turkey is suppose to be a democracy, and Ataturk made it into a secular country a long time ago...

The problem I see with Turkey since its conception 80 odd years ago failed to deliver education but rather chose to impose secularism via force...and this is the problem...

Force does not work, education works...Somehow I don't see muslims in Australia, women, wearing headscarves, getting education, a nice standard of living reverting back to sharia law...or wanting/expecting it...

Turkey is in the process of having a whole new constitution...These things have to be discussed as far as I am concerned.

The fact is Boomers that 8o years ago Attaturk was all about education but religion stood in his way so banning was right for that time. His ideas for Europeanising Turkey was not seen through....He was seen as setting the women free from such constraints.

Yeah and the way the system thought best was to procecute these people and force a beleive...

Can't you accept the fact that force breeds force?

I said for the time Boomers...If Attaturk had lived and his balanced ways were seen through then all would be different today..When using force and not balancing it with results to the better then things go wrong of course.....You also have to respect the fact that Turkey was new and it had many enemies trying to break it up more than it already was......Desperate times mean desperate measures...Just like the Anti Terror laws in the UK now...

Zan, thats no excuse...Turkey had 80 odd years to reform...and to this very day she is still battling the ghost from her past...and this is the problem...

Turkey should have also embraced her multiculturism...she failed in this as well...Ataturk was wrong when he said we are all turks and imposed it on the population...

Not everything Ataturk preached was correct...

To embrace every one and make them love their country was wrong How do you think Greece did it or the UK or the USA or OZ...... Multi culturism is only possible when the country has an identity....Turkey did not have one and Attaturk was the Key....Look at the coups in Greece and how recently they have found them selves.

For a start we agree then that was not the correct path by Ataturk, and in your opinion how many more years before Turkey finds herself?

Come on Zan Ataturk had smoe briliant ideas and some not so brilliant...hence why we are discussing it today...

[zan]

He had ideas that were not carried out Boomers after his death....Many mistakes were made after that yes.

[boomerang]

He had ideas that were not carried out Boomers after his death....Many mistakes were made after that yes.

Zan, not all his ideas were great...