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[miltiades]

In view of all the nonsense propagated by Zan , VP , Eric and Sha , all of them without a doubt instruments of propaganda whose only goal is to discredit the Cypriot people and hand the Northern part of Cyprus to Turkey.All believe and try to convince others that a massacre of the T/Cs was taking place prior to the invasion I say prove it by independent , NOT TURKISH PROPAGANDA but independent sources. Wikipedia is a good source to start from .
So , come on boys HOW MANY KILLED , MASSACRED ANNIHILATED 7 YEARS BEFORE TURKEY "INTERVENED TO STOP THE SYSTEMATIC KILLINGS".

It is an undisputed fact that the T/Cs as well as the G/Cs suffered a great deal in the early 60s , and an undisputed fact that the fanatics of EOKA B committed acts of violence not only against the T/Cs but also against anyone who had opposing views to their goal of ENOSIS.
It is also an undisputed fact that thousands lost their lives as a result of the Turkish invasion and that thousands became refugees in their own country.Another undisputed fact is that the International community sees as the only legal entity to be that of the ROC.
Our T/C compatriots have been under attack from the paritionist forces who are constantly talking of a genocide against them , well let these war mongers prove it . Just look at the signature of VP and Zan , do they spread the message of reconciliation amongst our people ? NO
Over to the genocide merchants .

[BC Numismatics]

Miltiades,do you agree with me that Eric Dayi is a malakas?

Aidan.

[zan]

In view of all the nonsense propagated by Zan , VP , Eric and Sha , all of them without a doubt instruments of propaganda whose only goal is to discredit the Cypriot people and hand the Northern part of Cyprus to Turkey.All believe and try to convince others that a massacre of the T/Cs was taking place prior to the invasion I say prove it by independent , NOT TURKISH PROPAGANDA but independent sources. Wikipedia is a good source to start from .
So , come on boys HOW MANY KILLED , MASSACRED ANNIHILATED 7 YEARS BEFORE TURKEY "INTERVENED TO STOP THE SYSTEMATIC KILLINGS".

It is an undisputed fact that the T/Cs as well as the G/Cs suffered a great deal in the early 60s , and an undisputed fact that the fanatics of EOKA B committed acts of violence not only against the T/Cs but also against anyone who had opposing views to their goal of ENOSIS.
It is also an undisputed fact that thousands lost their lives as a result of the Turkish invasion and that thousands became refugees in their own country.Another undisputed fact is that the International community sees as the only legal entity to be that of the ROC.
Our T/C compatriots have been under attack from the paritionist forces who are constantly talking of a genocide against them , well let these war mongers prove it . Just look at the signature of VP and Zan , do they spread the message of reconciliation amongst our people ? NO
Over to the genocide merchants .

I stopped reading this the moment you said that Wiki is a good place to find information..... I wondered where you got your warped information from...

[observer]

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/cyprus15630.html

[halil]

Dear friend Miltiades,
ı was surprised to see u writing this kind of the tread in this forum. İ think u are under the pressure from some members . İt will not help at all copy and paste such a events again and again.
i will not paste them here. Internet is full up with allegations from both sides. specially like this one.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/sh ... hp?t=43616

it will not end up . come to your senses.
the way you showing your reaction against Zan or Vp . don't you think you should also show your reactions against others as well . Have a look at the forum .It is full up .If we would like to do something , we , all should stop blaming only one side.
OK. Turkish army is occupying army in Cyprus .Miltiades my friend don't you know that Greek troops are also serving in Greek Cypriot army. Also some of them doing job professionally and getting money for it . Many times i expressed in this forum it is not the Turkish Troops are stationed in this island . Greece and UK has got troops as well. Very lately roc planing to give military bases to France . Why ?
most of the civilians has got guns and ammunition(caisson) in their homes. Why ?
when we questioning someone we must questioned all of them .than we can not get reactions .That time people of the Cyprus might believe us that we are really concerning about Cyprus.

hopefully , u can understand what i mean also next time when u come to Cyprus we can have more time to talk face to face and meet more people from both sides and try to talk with them and understand their feelings than listening what the forum members says or talks. Most of the things are completely different than u and ı hear on this forum. It will be very useful to expand communication between people . This the way what i believe my friend.

I am sorry Miltiades , i copied my writing again because i didn't get my answer . you opened same tread agin .

[miltiades]

Halil , as you very well know I'm committed to one Cyprus and I firmly believe that our people can live next to each other peacefully as they did for years.Zan , VP Eric and some others are committed to the opposite from what I aspire for Cyprus.They are committed percussionists and they strive to constantly intimidate those that wish for a united Cyprus.There is far too much talk of "genocide " that simply is nonsense. Both sides suffered as a result of fanatics from both sides and I believe in the early 60s the main perpetrators were the EOKA B fanatics.
Those are continually promoting the partition of Cyprus , are opponents to my views and to the views of many other Cypriots. There are those that have as their sole agenda the annexation by Turkey of Cyprus.
I wish to bring to the fore that 7 years before Turkey invaded , no dead bodies were dumbed in the roads of Cyprus and most certainly no genocide was taking place.People like Zan and VP are putting the message across that T/Cs were being systematically murdered and Turkey just had to intervene.This is not true.
Independent sources , such as the UN , have NEVER claimed that A GENOCIDE WAS TAKING PLACE..
This is the truth Halil , not propaganda.

[miltiades]

Takne from Wikipedia , available by all to see and read.

After 1967 tensions between the Greek and Turkish Cypriots subsided. Instead, the main source of tension on the island came from factions within the Greek Cypriot community. Although Makarios had effectively abandoned enosis in favour of an ‘attainable solution’, many others continued to believe that the only legitimate political aspirations for Greek Cypriots was union with Greece. Makarios was branded a traitor to the cause by Grivas and in 1971 made a clandestine return to the island. On his arrival, Grivas began by establishing a nationalist paramilitary group known as the National Organization of Cypriot Fighters (Ethniki Organosis Kyprion Agonistan B or EOKA-B), drawing comparisons with the EOKA struggle for enosis under the British colonial administration of the 1950s. The Junta in Athens saw Makarios as an obstacle, and directed funds to Grivas to carry out a number of terrorist attacks as well as fund a propaganda campaign through the creation pro-enosis newspapers. Makarios's failure to disband the National Guard, with its officer class dominated by mainland by Greeks, had meant the junta had practical control over the Cypriot military establishment, leaving Makarios isolated and a vulnerable target.

[halil]

Halil , as you very well know I'm committed to one Cyprus and I firmly believe that our people can live next to each other peacefully as they did for years.Zan , VP Eric and some others are committed to the opposite from what I aspire for Cyprus.They are committed percussionists and they strive to constantly intimidate those that wish for a united Cyprus.There is far too much talk of "genocide " that simply is nonsense. Both sides suffered as a result of fanatics from both sides and I believe in the early 60s the main perpetrators were the EOKA B fanatics.
Those are continually promoting the partition of Cyprus , are opponents to my views and to the views of many other Cypriots. There are those that have as their sole agenda the annexation by Turkey of Cyprus.
I wish to bring to the fore that 7 years before Turkey invaded , no dead bodies were dumbed in the roads of Cyprus and most certainly no genocide was taking place.People like Zan and VP are putting the message across that T/Cs were being systematically murdered and Turkey just had to intervene.This is not true.
Independent sources , such as the UN , have NEVER claimed that A GENOCIDE WAS TAKING PLACE..
This is the truth Halil , not propaganda.

Miltiades,
very simple what i am trying saying to u is when you are denying something you must deny the others as well. you just spoting on few TC's on this forum. İ am sure you have seen others writing as well. Why you don't speak up them ?
Most of the Turkish Cypriots all knows . What was happened at past.We all know how we were leaving in enclaves before 74. We also knowing what was happened in 74 and afterwards.
İ know that you wanting one Cyprus. Wanting is different than what was happening today . Why two sides can not come together ?
Trust is very important my dear friends . More contacts must be done between two sides people .
how they can do it ? without fear ! how it can be ? lots of things are changed since 74. how we can deal with these changes ?
i will copy some writings to you from my memories of childhood time. most of the people are that i was with them are still in life .how we can clear those things from their minds .

Memories Since My Childhood

İn 1963 i was six years old.İ don’t remember the exact date.However i remember the flood of refugees they came to my village from surrounding areas.These surrounding areas include the villages of :
Yılmazköy(Shillura), Ayvasıl (Korkuteli),Denya, Aymarina, Ayermola (Şirinevler).
We took these people in our homes and share everything we have with them.
İn the surrending Greek villages there was electric,but in the Turkish villages of Fota (Dağyolu),Kırnı (Pınarbaşı), Ağırdağ and Boğaz there was’nt any electric.Of course without electricity life was very hard.There was’nt tv, our only news was news papers Halkın Sesi and Bozkurt.Fortuanetly in my village Fota , there were 3 or 4 battery operated radios we had.These radios were surrounded by us so that we could listen news broadcast from Turkey.There was a CYBC as well but we were not listening the CYBC. CYBC was controled by the Greek Cypriots they were giving the news buletin the way how they wanted.Later on Bayrak Radio started broadcasting .When listening to bayrak radio our people were able to listen to news brodcasts with confidence than these broadcast were unbiased.At the weekends there was a comedy show on the bayrak called ALEKO an CAFER almost everyting was stoping in our village.they were listening the show.
As stated before in my village of Fota there were many refugees,a food shortage started because all the roads had been sealed off by the Greek militia.
Our village commitee decided food should rationed.Our classrooms were too small for the refugee children,we had to sit on the floors and forced to share 3 teachers between 165 studendts. We did not have enough books and pencil. We were reapiting the things that our teachers were saying.Over crowding existed in our homes.Later on all village residance and refuges worked together and we build homes for our refuges.These were called GÖÇMEN EVLERİ.These houses still exist today,some of these refuges eventually returned to there homes after 1974 the villages of Denya, Aymarina, Ayvasıl still have refugees living in these purpose built refugee houses.In villages of Aymarina and Ayvasıl the Turkish army’s soldiers live in these houses.The villages of Denya is now Greek occpied terrority.
Before 1974 our living conditions were very difficult,we suffered from overcrowding and unemplayment.The only work available was to join the Turkish resistantce ( to be MÜCAHİT) as a militia man.The wages were 16 Cyprus pound a month.This money was coming to us from Turkey.
Because of this dispute in Cyprus ,our families were unable to find work or to become businessman.
We were lucky because in those days there was more rain and we could grow our vegatables and feed our animals.Weather also help us from starvation.

We had good teachers and we could easily pass entrance exams to universities in Turkey.This led to a mass exodus of the young who went to Turkey to study after their education these young people either stayed on in Turkey or immigrated to England or Australia.
During my childhood , apples and coke were luxuries.İn my village there was one bus, İn the morning it would take passengers to Nicosia (LEFKOŞA) .My father was Mücahit (Up to 1975) my mother a housewife.My mother would go to Nicosia once a month.My mothers return from Nicosia was awarded by us with great anticpation when the bus arrived we would run to greet my mother and grab the bags of shopping she held.She would bring us helva(Halva) and salted peanuts.Her excursions to Nicosia were like Chiristmas (BAYRAM) for us children.

İn 1970 i finished primary school and started secondary school in Nicosia . This was the first time i left my village.My route from my village to nicosia was like this ; Fota to Gönyeli to Ortaköy and finaly Nicosai.( Also up to 1974 this was the only route i had.)
During this times Nicosia was partioned in to two sides.İt was called the GREEN LİNE .This Green Line drew my curiosity everywhere was closed off bu big walls.(İ was wondering why they were calling it Green Line. İ could not see any lines.you see child mind)
Next to my school there were Finnish soldiers (from Finland),behind them was another barricade.Behind the barricade was a place called KAYMAKLI.This barricade was surrounded by Finnish soldiers,Turkish Mucahit’s and Greek militia men.(Up to 2004 i never seen any Greek Cypriot in my life , from the border post only i could see the some Greek troops)
İn my childhood there was’nt any places to play, my mothers village KIRNI it had a fountain which attracted people from neighboiring villages who would have picnics and play music.The smell of the KEBABS gave me great pleasure and happiness.our only other forum of entertainment was the cinema , once a week we would go to Gönyeli by bus to the only cinema house. From day to day Mücahit organisation started to organised many things in our villages.They build up a minaret to our mosque .Football club to our village they also supplied generating set for our football club that we cuold watch telly from on.Once a month CYBC was showing Turkish film.All the village people were coming to football club to watch the film.İn those nights we were playing bingo.(dombula).

rest of it was at forum.