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Piratis your not reading and registering what turkcyp is suggesting, if our share is less than 18% we are ready to accept but lets get an acceptable 3rd party to calculate the percentage what are you afraid of that our share maybe be larger that 18%??? if we are flexible then so should you, who knows it could work in your favour.

[Piratis]

So classical "the whole world against GC rhetoric" hugh?

No, the even more classical "new order" and balance of power.

As I have said %18 is acceptable for me just to not let this drag for long.

Ok, good.

So which portions of north Cyprus you want. I assume a major portion includes Karpasia?

Cantonal arrangement could provide for a more fair splitting of resources since it is hard to do so with a straight line. However, this will involve a certain degree of cooperation I am not sure we can have. Will the TC country be part of the EU? If yes, the cantonal arrangements could be ok, otherwise a straight line would be better.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Cantonal arrangement could provide for a more fair splitting of resources since it is hard to do so with a straight line. However, this will involve a certain degree of cooperation I am not sure we can have. Will the TC country be part of the EU? If yes, the cantonal arrangements could be ok, otherwise a straight line would be better.

Come on we need a clean break, so straight lines are in order, we will not be in EU until we meet aquis.

Goodbye forever.

[turkcyp]

No, the even more classical "new order" and balance of power. .

So am I to assume that when and if balance of power changes you will attack us to get the rest 18% back?

Cantonal arrangement could provide for a more fair splitting of resources since it is hard to do so with a straight line. However, this will involve a certain degree of cooperation I am not sure we can have. Will the TC country be part of the EU? If yes, the cantonal arrangements could be ok, otherwise a straight line would be better.

I think majority of TCs would like to apply EU, but at the same time I know that when they do apply the conditions that EU would put on accession in terms of acquis will not be acceptable to many TCs as well. So probably EU membership is out of the question. (I personally am against it because I think we have nothing to gain from EU in the long run)

So do you still want cantonal arrangement even if we are not in EU. Otherwise what is your map of partition.

[Kifeas]

This is the only thing we have in common with Piratis, (and it turns out with Kifeas too), we agree always on second best, We agree that we can not agree on firts best. As Metallica once said "Sad but True"...

No, my friend,

From the very first moment that I will be convinced that the majority of Turkish Cypriots have the same attitude like yours and viewpoint’s, then Partition will become my "first best."

Never the less, since I do not have any concrete evidence that you are not the majority, I will assume that you are indeed the majority.

Therefore I am very much looking forward to see your maps. Since you finally agreed on 18%, I will be more generous and give you 19% as a starting point. Remember you must prepare at least 5 maps. No cantonal arrangements, because we plan to build a 6-meter wall, as I explained earlier.

-1st Map will be the one with 19% territory and 20% coastline, should 100% or less of TCs will choose to remain within TRNC.
-2nd Map will be one with 17% territory and 18% coastline, should 90% or less of TCs choose to remain with TRNC, and the rest to continue as citizens of RoCy.
-3rd Map will be one with 15.2% territory and 16% coastline, should 80% or less of TCs choose to remain with TRNC, and the rest to continue as citizens of RoCy.
-4th Map will be one with 13.3% territory and 14% coastline, should 70% or less of TCs choose to remain with TRNC, and the rest to continue as citizens of RoCy.
-5th Map will be one with 11.4% territory and 12% coastline, should 60% or less of TCs choose to remain with TRNC, and the rest to continue as citizens of RoCy.

Only indigenous TCs are allowed to vote and /or choose and /or decide, which are currently between 90-95,000 in the north, and this is a fact that is proven by various TC and international sources. Forget your 220,000 calculations out of which you claim that 140,000 are TCs. You would have been 140,000 by now, should more than 30% of TC have not permanently emigrated from Cyprus after 1974.

I am waiting to see your maps. I live the choice of territory to you.

[metecyp]

Only indigenous TCs are allowed to vote and /or choose and /or decide, which are currently between 90-95,000 in the north, and this is a fact that is proven by various TC and international sources

Can you provide us links for TC and international sources that prove that TCs are indeed 90-95.000 in the north?

[Kifeas]

Can you provide us links for TC and international sources that prove that TCs are indeed 90-95.000 in the north?

Do you dispute these figures?
What are the figures that you suggest?

[Viewpoint]

Kifeas

From the very first moment that I will be convinced that the majority of Turkish Cypriots have the same attitude like yours and viewpoint’s, then Partition will become my "first best."

You will be suprised how quickly this opinion is gaining momentum, many yes voters are looking at reunificaiton negatively and dont expect anything to happen, the staus quo will continue due to GC administrations intransigence. Add to this the south conduct and reputation in the EU and what will development over the coming years due to their constant complaining about Turkey and TCs, they will only tollerate so much before they totally ignore any of your demands. This will of course help cement partition without any land adjustment, time works against the south.

[turkcyp]

Dear Kifeas,

I am not going to sit down here and spent my time on creating 5 different maps for you. We are here after all talking to each other and learning each others perspectives. Not trying to solve Cyprus problem.

If the whole Cyprus problem comes down to partition I am sure there are technical experts on both sides that can draw not 5 but may be 10 maps.

About your population statistics,

The answer to those GC propaganda of how TCs are minority in north have been given so many times in this forum, that I am not going to get into that. Actually I believe there are even more than 140k TCs in Cyprus. The whole idea of 30% of TCs emigrated from Cyprus after 1974 is the biggest fabrication of GC propaganda machine ever. But whatever I say here I am not going to be able to convince you so I stop talking right now. If you research some of the old posts you can see that that subject has been discussed in detail.

Take care,

p.s. The difference between you and me is that even if I know that people like you are majority in Cyprus I still think partition is second best not the first best. On the other hand, you said that if you believe that people like me are majority among TCs you would say that partition is your first best. This actually shows our desire to compromise and our stomach to accept the differences among each other. I have no problem with living with people who does not think like I am but apparently you do. Sad very sad...

There does not need one to be One Cypriot nationality to be able to live together when we start tolerating our differences, and start putting everybody in one bug melting pot. If I wanted to be melted in something else in a big pot, then I would have emigrated to USA, where everything is a melting pot.

I am not saying that melting pot is a bad thing. I am saying that we are not ready for it right now. In time all TCs and GCs if the can live together while respecting differences and by not being forced into that big pot, will eventually melt into one bif Cypriot nationality anyway. It just takes time.

[Kifeas]

You will be suprised how quickly this opinion is gaining momentum, many yes voters are looking at reunificaiton negatively and dont expect anything to happen, the staus quo will continue due to GC administrations intransigence. Add to this the south conduct and reputation in the EU and what will development over the coming years due to their constant complaining about Turkey and TCs, they will only tollerate so much before they totally ignore any of your demands. This will of course help cement partition without any land adjustment, time works against the south.

Ok!

So you do not want do discuss from now a form of agreed partition with the necessary land adjustments?