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[DT.]

Hello Expatkiwi

I do think that you are right about the perception of "folks" with regard to the large number of Turkish troops in Northern Cyprus, particularly given the strike capability of the Turkish Air Force, in the event of any potential "hostilities".

This presence is historic ( It might have been the intention of Turkey to take the whole island and ensure that the 1960 constitution was re-implemented).

It might also be that once this large number of troops was here that the Generals decided to stay in order to "influence" local politics.

None of the above is really reason enough, but I do feel that given the temprament of of "hot blooded" Mediterranean "folk" any withdrawal might appear to be a "climb down" from a military point of view.

The British forces number approx. 3,000 on the island.

Another example of overkill?

Hi, Suetoniuspaulinus (interesting name). Even though I'm pro-TRNC independence, I don't think highly of such a large amount of Turkish troops stationed in the north of Cyprus, but I can see your point about a perceived 'climb-down' should a large portion of Turkish forces be withdrawn. The addage 'give and inch and they'll take a mile' is probably on the minds of the Turkish General Staff. Influencing TRNC politics by their presence is another concern. It all makes a mockery of the 1983 UDI. Self-determination under those circumstances is rather problematical.

By the way, any settlement should also involve the British ceding the SBA's.

All in good time Expat..I have already explained the reason and whether or not Turkey is in striking distance, if things escalate even a little, which the "RoC" will make sure they do if it gets the chance, then ANY movement by Turkey will have to be endorsed by the UN and the EU and that is what we cannot afford....My brother in law can remember the days when they stood by and watched as TCs were being killed and they sat about trying to pass resolutions to act......I, and I am sure all TCs are much happier that they are there. When a solution comes then they will go. Just because he "RoC" yell occupation doesn't make it so....We have been yelling "Highjack of the Cyprus Republic" and they don't want to see it either....

You can have a million troops over there if you ask me, you're the ones living with them. It makes no difference to me 40k or 400k unless you're thinking of forcefully occupying further EU land?

[shahmaran]

40,000 troops are like 40,000 tourists who routinely come out desperate to enjoy themselves and to do some shopping along the way, if they were 400,000 you might have some real issues then

[zan]

Hello Expatkiwi

I do think that you are right about the perception of "folks" with regard to the large number of Turkish troops in Northern Cyprus, particularly given the strike capability of the Turkish Air Force, in the event of any potential "hostilities".

This presence is historic ( It might have been the intention of Turkey to take the whole island and ensure that the 1960 constitution was re-implemented).

It might also be that once this large number of troops was here that the Generals decided to stay in order to "influence" local politics.

None of the above is really reason enough, but I do feel that given the temprament of of "hot blooded" Mediterranean "folk" any withdrawal might appear to be a "climb down" from a military point of view.

The British forces number approx. 3,000 on the island.

Another example of overkill?

Hi, Suetoniuspaulinus (interesting name). Even though I'm pro-TRNC independence, I don't think highly of such a large amount of Turkish troops stationed in the north of Cyprus, but I can see your point about a perceived 'climb-down' should a large portion of Turkish forces be withdrawn. The addage 'give and inch and they'll take a mile' is probably on the minds of the Turkish General Staff. Influencing TRNC politics by their presence is another concern. It all makes a mockery of the 1983 UDI. Self-determination under those circumstances is rather problematical.

By the way, any settlement should also involve the British ceding the SBA's.

All in good time Expat..I have already explained the reason and whether or not Turkey is in striking distance, if things escalate even a little, which the "RoC" will make sure they do if it gets the chance, then ANY movement by Turkey will have to be endorsed by the UN and the EU and that is what we cannot afford....My brother in law can remember the days when they stood by and watched as TCs were being killed and they sat about trying to pass resolutions to act......I, and I am sure all TCs are much happier that they are there. When a solution comes then they will go. Just because he "RoC" yell occupation doesn't make it so....We have been yelling "Highjack of the Cyprus Republic" and they don't want to see it either....

You can have a million troops over there if you ask me, you're the ones living with them. It makes no difference to me 40k or 400k unless you're thinking of forcefully occupying further EU land?

Covering one misconception with another DT They nor us are having any such thoughts or ambitions and you know it.....

[observer]

The best guess for GC Forces are that the Greek Cypriot National Guard has 10,000+ soldiers on active duty, with 80,000 to 100,000 reserves. These forces are supplemented by about 1,000 Greek mainland troops and 1,300 Greek mainland officers.

The CIA's World Factbook says that there are 184,352 males aged between 18-49 so, in theory, available for militar service.

Taking the total forces available to the GCs from the first set of numbers, there seem to be around 100,000. The conventional ratio of attackers/defenders to have defeat/victory is 3:1 in the attackers favour. The Turkish Army numbers (more than 30,000 but less than 40,000) would seem to be around this magic ratio.

Naturally quality of soldiers and their equipment count, but that's a road I'll leave others to go down.

[zan]

The best guess for GC Forces are that the Greek Cypriot National Guard has 10,000+ soldiers on active duty, with 80,000 to 100,000 reserves. These forces are supplemented by about 1,000 Greek mainland troops and 1,300 Greek mainland officers.

The CIA's World Factbook says that there are 184,352 males aged between 18-49 so, in theory, available for militar service.

Taking the total forces available to the GCs from the first set of numbers, there seem to be around 100,000. The conventional ratio of attackers/defenders to have defeat/victory is 3:1 in the attackers favour. The Turkish Army numbers (more than 30,000 but less than 40,000) would seem to be around this magic ratio.

Naturally quality of soldiers and their equipment count, but that's a road I'll leave others to go down.

Thank you Observer.....Enough to keep them at bay but not enough of a threat to their security...Highlighting the lies told by DT and others to fool the world...And why the EU and UN had to pass he resolutions they did but are not worried about the Turkish Army.....

[andreas123]

The aggressiveness of Turkey and its expansionist aspirations against Cyprus

If this were the case, why has it not used it's '40,000 troops' over the last 34 years ?

They are here till a solution is found, then they'll go home.

yes but why 40.000 i am quessing it's not to protect in case of hostilities but for total annihilation and GC genocide...smells bit armenian genocide to me,..

If that's the case, you've got 2 months and 2 days to change your mind

nah..i am ccoming to make sure...that your plans never happen...

[andreas123]

i think it is clear what the views of turkey are over cyprus....as always agressive....why? if the Turkish Cypriots really wanted protection,..,.why not have a 1:1 ration of troops... why 3 times as much? i think the answer to the questions is clear :

The aggressiveness of Turkey and its expansionist aspirations against Cyprus

• Ensevaled and occupied the northern part of
• Removed the Greek population
• Transfer illegal Turkish settlers who have distorted the demographic composition of the island
• It prevents the discovery of the missing persons
• It destroyed the cultural heritage of the Greeks of Cyprus
• Changed the Greek toponymy
• illegally seizes property of Greeks in Cyprus
• Preserves since 1974 strong military force in an aggressive anti-free territories
• systematically violates the sea and airspace of Cyprus with:
-- Military Exercises
-- Exercises Research Rescue
-- Flights of Martial Aircraft
-- War ship

so bottom line is what the TC'S go on about protection etc etc,,is a load of BS...

The reason why there are 40,000 Turkish troops in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus is very clear pal, to keep the likes of you, Kiefeas, Piratis , Get Real and not to forget the little mad and utterly racist puppet master "phoenix" in your places so that you do not dare to attempt to genocide us Turkish Cypriots again for your ENOSIS dream.

Get used to it pal, they are in the Turkish Republic of Cyprus to stay as long as you GCs do not give up your greedy dreams of turning Cyprus into another Greek island.

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peeeeeeeee this guy is still in the ENOSIS chapter,,,it's 2008 you Illiterate Turk..wake up...

[andreas123]

OK! I wasn't going to even bother with this thread but it seems that I have to explain again......


The fact that the "RoC" will exploit ANY situation it can get it's hands on to stop us from ever getting a fair deal in Cyprus is why the Turkish troops are there in such numbers.......The "RoC" is keen to hav them removed because it will be almost impossible for them to ever return when and not if the "RoC" upgrades its attack capabilities whether it be troops or weapons. As the so called legitimate government of Cyprus upgrades because it can and Turkey moves in troops to counter, then Turkey will look like the aggressor which is exactly what the "RoC" wants....It will create a win win situation and the danger of conflict will increase. The ordinary GC should be grateful that the peacekeepers are there. (Now I will sit back and wait for sarcastic remarks about my last comment while everything else I said is ignored) [/code]

Zan , when you say the "so called legitimate government of Cyprus " do you mean the Government that ALL NATIONS recognise ???
Put me out of my misery mate also tell me , the peacekeepers you are referring to , are they by any chance the Foreign troops that keep our 200 thousand Cypriots from their ancestral homes ???
Get a sense of proportion mate , face reality !!!

Why don't you face the reality of our Cyprus Republic no longer existing because of Tpaps tricks and that the "RoC" is not that same republic....

Once and for all that figure of 200, 000 does not exist....Over 40,000 went back as soon as it was over...Stop quoting from the RoC" propaganda pages.....There has been other settlements since and if your so called government had not lied to the rest as to exchanges being illegal then maybe all would have been resolved by now.....Keeping those people at refugee status is another crime that Tpap should be made accountable for but I do not see you protesting about that either. Your kind of reality doesn't doesn't seem to suit the rest of the world...

Are you saying that 40 thousand went back to their homes ???!!!
Anxiously awaiting clarification , who were those 40 thousand that went back ??

Did you not follow the thread when Piratis was spoutin those numbers and he made himself look a complete fool mate We have had this discussion before and it has been concluded and that is why Piratis does not use them any more...The Greek propaganda used the 40,000 that were to afraid to move back into homes that were too close to the border but as soon as they felt safe they moved back...Shows how scared these people are of the Turkish Army... If there are any honest GCs on this forum then might confirm this and save me the trouble of looking for it..I hope this will teach you that you are being fed propaganda and that you might have anothrer look at facts....

zan what are you on about..40,000 went back to their homes...40,000 Greek Cypriots now live and "prosper" ( ) in the occupied areas of the illegal state you have created...are you seriously serious? damn....i must have missed a paper,,or a TV show,,or somethign that actually said that,,,,,well at least we have zan the "man" to inform us,,,oh my god....maybe 40,000 have visited --yes...but permanently lived there..what are you on about,,you had better chances saying 40,000 TC'S are ROC citizens now,,with EU passports or,,,that 40,000 TCS work in the ROC... maybe i would have beleived you

[andreas123]

OK! I wasn't going to even bother with this thread but it seems that I have to explain again......


The fact that the "RoC" will exploit ANY situation it can get it's hands on to stop us from ever getting a fair deal in Cyprus is why the Turkish troops are there in such numbers.......The "RoC" is keen to hav them removed because it will be almost impossible for them to ever return when and not if the "RoC" upgrades its attack capabilities whether it be troops or weapons. As the so called legitimate government of Cyprus upgrades because it can and Turkey moves in troops to counter, then Turkey will look like the aggressor which is exactly what the "RoC" wants....It will create a win win situation and the danger of conflict will increase. The ordinary GC should be grateful that the peacekeepers are there. (Now I will sit back and wait for sarcastic remarks about my last comment while everything else I said is ignored) [/code]

Zan , when you say the "so called legitimate government of Cyprus " do you mean the Government that ALL NATIONS recognise ???
Put me out of my misery mate also tell me , the peacekeepers you are referring to , are they by any chance the Foreign troops that keep our 200 thousand Cypriots from their ancestral homes ???
Get a sense of proportion mate , face reality !!!

Why don't you face the reality of our Cyprus Republic no longer existing because of Tpaps tricks and that the "RoC" is not that same republic....

Once and for all that figure of 200, 000 does not exist....Over 40,000 went back as soon as it was over...Stop quoting from the RoC" propaganda pages.....There has been other settlements since and if your so called government had not lied to the rest as to exchanges being illegal then maybe all would have been resolved by now.....Keeping those people at refugee status is another crime that Tpap should be made accountable for but I do not see you protesting about that either. Your kind of reality doesn't doesn't seem to suit the rest of the world...

Are you saying that 40 thousand went back to their homes ???!!!
Anxiously awaiting clarification , who were those 40 thousand that went back ??

Did you not follow the thread when Piratis was spoutin those numbers and he made himself look a complete fool mate We have had this discussion before and it has been concluded and that is why Piratis does not use them any more...The Greek propaganda used the 40,000 that were to afraid to move back into homes that were too close to the border but as soon as they felt safe they moved back...Shows how scared these people are of the Turkish Army... If there are any honest GCs on this forum then might confirm this and save me the trouble of looking for it..I hope this will teach you that you are being fed propaganda and that you might have anothrer look at facts....

really interested to find out about these 40,000 refugees that went back home after the invasion Zan. Could you point us to this thread at least?

I can do better than that DT.........

(1) In 1974 the actual number of refugees was 201,000. But about 40,000 people who became refugees in 1974 because they lived in dangerous areas close to the line of occupation but within the Government Controlled Area returned to their homes in 1977.















Hope you do not have a problem with the source....
http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus/cy_republi ... raphy.html

ermm....1977.....your about 30 years behind.. how many are now is the question

[zan]

OK! I wasn't going to even bother with this thread but it seems that I have to explain again......


The fact that the "RoC" will exploit ANY situation it can get it's hands on to stop us from ever getting a fair deal in Cyprus is why the Turkish troops are there in such numbers.......The "RoC" is keen to hav them removed because it will be almost impossible for them to ever return when and not if the "RoC" upgrades its attack capabilities whether it be troops or weapons. As the so called legitimate government of Cyprus upgrades because it can and Turkey moves in troops to counter, then Turkey will look like the aggressor which is exactly what the "RoC" wants....It will create a win win situation and the danger of conflict will increase. The ordinary GC should be grateful that the peacekeepers are there. (Now I will sit back and wait for sarcastic remarks about my last comment while everything else I said is ignored) [/code]

Zan , when you say the "so called legitimate government of Cyprus " do you mean the Government that ALL NATIONS recognise ???
Put me out of my misery mate also tell me , the peacekeepers you are referring to , are they by any chance the Foreign troops that keep our 200 thousand Cypriots from their ancestral homes ???
Get a sense of proportion mate , face reality !!!

Why don't you face the reality of our Cyprus Republic no longer existing because of Tpaps tricks and that the "RoC" is not that same republic....

Once and for all that figure of 200, 000 does not exist....Over 40,000 went back as soon as it was over...Stop quoting from the RoC" propaganda pages.....There has been other settlements since and if your so called government had not lied to the rest as to exchanges being illegal then maybe all would have been resolved by now.....Keeping those people at refugee status is another crime that Tpap should be made accountable for but I do not see you protesting about that either. Your kind of reality doesn't doesn't seem to suit the rest of the world...

Are you saying that 40 thousand went back to their homes ???!!!
Anxiously awaiting clarification , who were those 40 thousand that went back ??

Did you not follow the thread when Piratis was spoutin those numbers and he made himself look a complete fool mate We have had this discussion before and it has been concluded and that is why Piratis does not use them any more...The Greek propaganda used the 40,000 that were to afraid to move back into homes that were too close to the border but as soon as they felt safe they moved back...Shows how scared these people are of the Turkish Army... If there are any honest GCs on this forum then might confirm this and save me the trouble of looking for it..I hope this will teach you that you are being fed propaganda and that you might have anothrer look at facts....

zan what are you on about..40,000 went back to their homes...40,000 Greek Cypriots now live and "prosper" ( ) in the occupied areas of the illegal state you have created...are you seriously serious? damn....i must have missed a paper,,or a TV show,,or somethign that actually said that,,,,,well at least we have zan the "man" to inform us,,,oh my god....maybe 40,000 have visited --yes...but permanently lived there..what are you on about,,you had better chances saying 40,000 TC'S are ROC citizens now,,with EU passports or,,,that 40,000 TCS work in the ROC... maybe i would have beleived you

DT...Another fool that dose not understand what is being said to him...Perhaps a word in Greek now is called for....