Kikapu wrote:Expatkiwi wrote:If you do not believe in the system of True Federation and True Democracy Expatkiwi, it may well be time for you to return back your American Passport and Citizenship and go back to where ever you came from. For someone who lives in the USA, I do not believe you have yet grasped what America is all about. Perhaps you are only a "New American". There's still hope for you my friend.
For someone who claims to be person who is a good judge of character, I think you've missed the mark in my case. You really think I hold in contempt those ideals that the United States is founded upon - including freedom of expression. And you really think I didn't look at the Cyprus issue closely before making my desision? Yes, I beleive in freedon and democracy, but when a larger group denys those basic freedoms to a smaller group, then that smaller group has a right to fight for them.
Actually Expatkiwi, I was not analyzing your "good judge of Character" aspects but rather your hypocrisy. I know nothing about your "good character", only what you have already expressed to us on the forum and it is anything but good so far. On the one hand you are NOT willing to grant any one of our many ethnic groups in the States to have their own "self determination" despite many deserving to just do that in what they went through in the USA's past ugly history, but using those same principles that you want to deny others their "self determination", you want to apply them in Cyprus.
And you really think I didn't look at the Cyprus issue closely before making my desision?
What does it matter if you looked at the Cyprus issues or not. You are not willing to do the same in the USA, but are very cavalier about endorsing it in Cyprus whether or not it will cause more problems later on, and they will, since you support in creating another state within a State, and you do not seem to care how that is achieved. That is very irresponsible of you Expatkiwi. I would have thought you would have been more inclined to use the same principles of True Democracy and True Federation that you enjoy so much in the States to apply in Cyprus, but obviously, we do not deserve such "luxury" in Cyprus as you want for yourself in the USA.
Yes, I beleive in freedon and democracy, but when a larger group denys those basic freedoms to a smaller group, then that smaller group has a right to fight for them
On the contrary Expatkiwi, no body wants to deny anyone of their Rights. What is denied, is the freedom for the smaller group to take large part of Cyprus by force, ethnically removing 200,000 indigenous GC's from their homes and land and declaring Independence. If you think these actions will NOT result in any kind of punishment, mostly imposed by the International Community, eg, sanctions, isolation, embargoes and non-recognition for violations of others Human Rights by those declaring a state within a state by force , then you leave me speechless, despite the fact, those TC leaders who declared the "Independence" declaration of the "TRNC" against all International standards knew very well in advanced, that these punishments would apply on their community by the International Community, so perhaps your complaints should be addressed more with these people than towards the legal State. Any citizen who commits a crime and goes to prison in the States, and perhaps most countries around the world, loses most of their Rights also. Just like any anything in life that has rules, once they are broken, penalties do apply, no matter how harsh or unfair you may think they are. Watch any sports and see how many penalties are given during the game, despite the players knowing full well what the rules of the game are, and the consequence for breaking them. They too pay the penalty for breaking those rules.
I support for all Cypriots to live in peace, prosperity and safety. Equal rights to be given to each individual, and since Cyprus is in the EU, it cannot be in any other way anyway, so I don't even need to mention that. Just like in any other multi ethnic societies who live under a True Democracy, you are going to have more of one ethnic group than the other. This is not a crime and it is also not a licence to take others rights away. The smaller groups (minority) does not need to feel like a minority but a equal citizen of Cyprus.
I live in Switzerland where Swiss Germans are 69%, Swiss French are 20%, Swiss Italians are 10% and last but not least, Swiss Romansh are 1%. Nobody walks around or acts as a Majority or a Minority. They all see themselves as Swiss despite on some issues, the majority does have the upper hand in some of their National voting, like if the Switzerland should join the EU or not, and twice the Majority of the Swiss Germans have said NO. Was this unfair on the other Swiss groups.?? Perhaps, but at least True Democracy was exercised and every citizen voted their conscience. In True Democracy you do not always get what each individual wants, or their community, but go on to fight another battle (political) another day through the Ballot Box and not on the Battlefield to get the results they wanted. It is time for all Cypriots to accept the Principles of a True Democracy and show their children how civilised societies embrace other communities who share the same land as them and not just think only of their own community.
So Expatkiwi, if you want to help us in Cyprus, you would do better by helping us to apply the same principles of True Democracy and True Federation that you enjoy very much for yourself in the States over forced partition, or else you can only be called a hypocrite and your opinion will not have any value at all. It will not help the situation in Cyprus by supporting illegalities. It only encourages the Fascist to do their worse. If those are your intentions, then you are doing a very good job.
