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Postby humanist » Mon Feb 04, 2008 9:32 am

Talat: whoever wins election has one last chance to reunite Cyprus
By Simon Bahceli

THE VICTOR in the presidential election on February 17 is likely to be the last to lead negotiations for a Cyprus settlement based on a federal model, Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat said this week.

“This is the last opportunity,” he told the Sunday Mail in an exclusive interview at his north Nicosia ‘palace’ on Thursday.

Predicting a restart of negotiations on a new UN-sponsored peace plan in the wake of the upcoming election, Talat said failure to reach agreement could result in the two communities going their separate ways.

“The international community may tolerate other types of solution, which I myself do not desire,” Talat said, alluding to the two-state model advocated by his predecessor Rauf Denktash. Such an approach has also gained newfound respectability among Turkish Cypriots as a result of Kosovo’s expected declaration of independence from Serbia – a move that looks set to be endorsed by the US and the bulk of EU member states.

The result of the election, just two weeks away, could then be vital for Talat, who has staked his own political survival on his dream of a federal solution to the island’s decades-old divide, and of getting the Turkish Cypriot community into the EU.

But that does not mean Talat will be lending his support to any of the three leading candidates currently running neck and neck. He has learnt from past experience that efforts to influence Greek Cypriot voters are likely to backfire, both on those he supports and himself.

“If I make a choice, they will lose,” Talat says, having identified what some call the “kiss of death” phenomenon, whereby Greek Cypriot politicians who gain Turkish Cypriot backing tend to lose, rather than gain, votes.

So Talat will be keeping mum this time. However, what he does not say could be seen as being just as significant as what he does. Note that now is not the time for Talat to berate AKEL candidate Demetris Christofias for withdrawing his support for the Annan plan just days before the 2004 referendum. And all attempts to draw him on whether he would trust Christofias not to repeat what has earlier been described by Talat’s party as “treachery” remain without comment.

In Talat’s mind, the result of this election is as significant as the one in 2003, which saw veteran Greek Cypriot negotiator Glafcos Clerides ousted as president by current incumbent Papadopoulos. With Clerides being one of the main architects of Talat’s beloved Annan plan, his election loss was in effect the plan’s death knell.

But what if things at the top do not change? While one assumes Talat will not be hoping for the re-election of a leader seemingly hell-bent on tripping him up at every opportunity, the Turkish Cypriot leader does not rule out the possibility that, should Papadopoulos win, he could re-emerge as a changed man with a new, more reconciliatory approach to power sharing with the Turkish Cypriots. Such a change in stance, he says, is not unprecedented.

“Clerides during his first term was hawkish; during the second, he was one of the architects of the Annan plan,” Talat recalls.

Asked for his view of relative newcomer Ioannis Kasoulides, Talat is no more committal than saying, “They’re all good guys. I expect the election to yield a result for the benefit of all Cypriots.”

Such optimism could, however, be cover for his growing fear that 2008 could be the last chance for a reunification deal.

“Our people are becoming estranged. Till now, the problem was between politicians, the elite… but now it is becoming a problem between the people,” he says.

Talat also sees the possibility that if he fails to deliver a solution to his electorate, he will ultimately be replaced by a leader who takes a tougher stance against what the Turkish Cypriots generally see as Greek Cypriot intransigence.

“Until now there is nobody more inclined than I am to a united solution,” he warns, adding that he will remain “flexible” in negotiations with his Greek Cypriot fellow negotiator.

“If I see good will, I will be more flexible.”

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008


http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 7&cat_id=1


Firstly if his dream is for a federal system then why the hell not meet the July agreement.

He'll be flexible if he sees good will? Why not show more good will to start with,

He speaks like he is in a position to call the shots.
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Postby paliometoxo » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:19 am

hes saying that to scare people into voting for him maybe? i hope he does not get re-elected we need some new blood
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:27 am

Hello,dear humanist...

Talat's utterances have one value. They show what Ankara is thinking.

Talat was there not so long ago getting his instructions...

I have no doubt Ankara and Talat want Papadopoulos to win. If they wanted him to lose Talat could've just spoken out and endorsed Tpapa... :twisted:
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Postby zan » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:28 am

Turkish Cypriot Presidency: Papadopoulos is trying to change the July 8 Agreement

02.11.2007


Turkish Cypriot side criticises the Greek Cypriot President for lying to Greek Cypriots

The Turkish Cypriot Presidency has rejected the claims by the Greek Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos, made last week that the Turkish side was responsible for not being able to implement the July 8 Agreement. The Turkish Cypriot Presidency Spokesman asserted that Papadopoulos knowingly distorted some facts during his speech on 24 October 2007 when he was addressing the public in Limassol as part of his election campaign and said that Turkey intervened into the agreement in order to get away from it. The Greek Cypriot leader also claimed that there is a phrase in the agreement saying that the preparation process for the working groups and the negotiations would lead to a comprehensive settlement on a new basis rather than on the basis of the Annan Plan. He said “This agreement is an important trump card for us, we should not abandon this.”
The Turkish Cypriot Presidency criticised the Greek Cypriot leader for making up the non-existent expression, saying: “There is certainly no such thing in the Agreement signed between Mr. Papadopoulos and Mr. Talat on 8 July 2007. As everyone else, Mr. Papadopoulos is also aware that there is no such thing. While there is an agreement in the 8 July Agreement that the Cyprus problem will be settled within the framework of a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation based on political equality, there is no item concerning the ground that will be worked on during the negotiations aimed at reaching this purpose. Therefore, Mr. Papadopoulos’ allegation that the 8 July Agreement envisages a comprehensive settlement on a new basis, completely contradicts the facts. It is aimed at deceiving public opinion, but especially at deceiving the Greek Cypriot people.”

Undermining efforts
The top Turkish Cypriot office condemned such efforts by Papadopoulos that seem aimed at making any comprehensive settlement efforts futile by making the Turkish Cypriot leaders look as if they are the ones who do want a settlement.
“In fact, during the meeting held on 8 July before he signed the Agreement, Mr. Papadopoulos said that the Turkish Cypriot side could bring the Annan Plan to the negotiation table and he would negotiate on it. In return for Mr. Papadopoulos’ efforts to distort the written texts, we deem it necessary that the public be made aware of this fact,” the Presidency said.
Papadopoulos, also in Limassol, said that the approval of the Annan Plan meant the abolition of the Republic of Cyprus, adding: “The [Greek Cypriot] public trusted me and accepted my call, asking them to reject the Plan, one that does not consider the concerns of Cypriot Hellenism and would make our country dissolve in 24 hours.”
Stating that the Greek Cypriot side is trying to change the concept of continuity of the negotiations that have been carried out for 40 years within the framework of the UN Secretary-General, the Presidency said: “According to this concept, each new initiative has been launched from the point the prior process was interrupted. Therefore, in light of the established practices, provided that a new negotiation process starts, it is clear on which basis and within the framework of which parameters they will be held. We consider it necessary to inform the public correctly on this issue.”
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Postby paliometoxo » Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:30 am

turkey is doing everything to make sure parition stays
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:08 pm

zan wrote:Turkish Cypriot Presidency: Papadopoulos is trying to change the July 8 Agreement

02.11.2007


Turkish Cypriot side criticises the Greek Cypriot President for lying to Greek Cypriots

The Turkish Cypriot Presidency has rejected the claims by the Greek Cypriot President Tassos Papadopoulos, made last week that the Turkish side was responsible for not being able to implement the July 8 Agreement. The Turkish Cypriot Presidency Spokesman asserted that Papadopoulos knowingly distorted some facts during his speech on 24 October 2007 when he was addressing the public in Limassol as part of his election campaign and said that Turkey intervened into the agreement in order to get away from it. The Greek Cypriot leader also claimed that there is a phrase in the agreement saying that the preparation process for the working groups and the negotiations would lead to a comprehensive settlement on a new basis rather than on the basis of the Annan Plan. He said “This agreement is an important trump card for us, we should not abandon this.”
The Turkish Cypriot Presidency criticised the Greek Cypriot leader for making up the non-existent expression, saying: “There is certainly no such thing in the Agreement signed between Mr. Papadopoulos and Mr. Talat on 8 July 2007. As everyone else, Mr. Papadopoulos is also aware that there is no such thing. While there is an agreement in the 8 July Agreement that the Cyprus problem will be settled within the framework of a bi-zonal, bi-communal federation based on political equality, there is no item concerning the ground that will be worked on during the negotiations aimed at reaching this purpose. Therefore, Mr. Papadopoulos’ allegation that the 8 July Agreement envisages a comprehensive settlement on a new basis, completely contradicts the facts. It is aimed at deceiving public opinion, but especially at deceiving the Greek Cypriot people.”

Undermining efforts
The top Turkish Cypriot office condemned such efforts by Papadopoulos that seem aimed at making any comprehensive settlement efforts futile by making the Turkish Cypriot leaders look as if they are the ones who do want a settlement.
“In fact, during the meeting held on 8 July before he signed the Agreement, Mr. Papadopoulos said that the Turkish Cypriot side could bring the Annan Plan to the negotiation table and he would negotiate on it. In return for Mr. Papadopoulos’ efforts to distort the written texts, we deem it necessary that the public be made aware of this fact,” the Presidency said.
Papadopoulos, also in Limassol, said that the approval of the Annan Plan meant the abolition of the Republic of Cyprus, adding: “The [Greek Cypriot] public trusted me and accepted my call, asking them to reject the Plan, one that does not consider the concerns of Cypriot Hellenism and would make our country dissolve in 24 hours.”
Stating that the Greek Cypriot side is trying to change the concept of continuity of the negotiations that have been carried out for 40 years within the framework of the UN Secretary-General, the Presidency said: “According to this concept, each new initiative has been launched from the point the prior process was interrupted. Therefore, in light of the established practices, provided that a new negotiation process starts, it is clear on which basis and within the framework of which parameters they will be held. We consider it necessary to inform the public correctly on this issue.”


Thank you,Zan,for proving my point that Talat and Ankara want Tpapa to win. The more they attack him the more votes he will get... :twisted:
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Postby karma » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:31 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:Hello,dear humanist...

Talat's utterances have one value. They show what Ankara is thinking.

Talat was there not so long ago getting his instructions...

I have no doubt Ankara and Talat want Papadopoulos to win. If they wanted him to lose Talat could've just spoken out and endorsed Tpapa... :twisted:


Hello, dear Birk :D Breaking News :!:
I have heard tht big celebrations and parties are being organized in Ankara squares , that Tpap will turn the national hero in Turkey incase he wins, his photos and statues will replace Ataturks' in every gov. office and schools, his wife is gona be the second lady in the country and she wont be asked having turban on her head either..
These are the last news from Anadolu News Agency :wink:
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Postby BirKibrisli » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:37 pm

karma wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote:Hello,dear humanist...

Talat's utterances have one value. They show what Ankara is thinking.

Talat was there not so long ago getting his instructions...

I have no doubt Ankara and Talat want Papadopoulos to win. If they wanted him to lose Talat could've just spoken out and endorsed Tpapa... :twisted:


Hello, dear Birk :D Breaking News :!:
I have heard tht big celebrations and parties are being organized in Ankara squares , that Tpap will turn the national hero in Turkey incase he wins, his photos and statues will replace Ataturks' in every gov. office and schools, his wife is gona be the second lady in the country and she wont be asked having turban on her head either..
These are the last news from Anadolu News Agency :wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Precious...What are you on??? I want some too...
I also want to see you in the full Islamic dress one of these days... :wink: :D
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Postby Kikapu » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:37 pm

karma wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote:Hello,dear humanist...

Talat's utterances have one value. They show what Ankara is thinking.

Talat was there not so long ago getting his instructions...

I have no doubt Ankara and Talat want Papadopoulos to win. If they wanted him to lose Talat could've just spoken out and endorsed Tpapa... :twisted:


Hello, dear Birk :D Breaking News :!:
I have heard tht big celebrations and parties are being organized in Ankara squares , that Tpap will turn the national hero in Turkey incase he wins, his photos and statues will replace Ataturks' in every gov. office and schools, his wife is gona be the second lady in the country and she wont be asked having turban on her head either..
These are the last news from Anadolu News Agency :wink:


Hi Karma,

Hey, I hope Turkey is also going to invite all of the 75% of the GC's who also voted OXI along with PapaD on the Anan Plan. :lol: :lol:
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Postby karma » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:40 pm

Birkibrisli wrote:
karma wrote:
Birkibrisli wrote:Hello,dear humanist...

Talat's utterances have one value. They show what Ankara is thinking.

Talat was there not so long ago getting his instructions...

I have no doubt Ankara and Talat want Papadopoulos to win. If they wanted him to lose Talat could've just spoken out and endorsed Tpapa... :twisted:


Hello, dear Birk :D Breaking News :!:
I have heard tht big celebrations and parties are being organized in Ankara squares , that Tpap will turn the national hero in Turkey incase he wins, his photos and statues will replace Ataturks' in every gov. office and schools, his wife is gona be the second lady in the country and she wont be asked having turban on her head either..
These are the last news from Anadolu News Agency :wink:


:lol: :lol: :lol:
Precious...What are you on??? I want some too...
I also want to see you in the full Islamic dress one of these days... :wink: :D


Sure, Only if U r elected The President of a United Cyprus some day :roll:
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