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[Get Real!]

sorry to dissapoint Zan but i don't vote Tpap.

You just happen to be best friends with his son.......The grapevine has been whispering.......

Whether thats true or not whats it got to do with my vote?

Nothing mate...... Does Tpap know

wht don't you ask him? He's on facebook apparently.

Do you get the feeling lately that Zanny is getting rather desperate and pissed off?

[DT.]

sorry to dissapoint Zan but i don't vote Tpap.

You just happen to be best friends with his son.......The grapevine has been whispering.......

Whether thats true or not whats it got to do with my vote?

Nothing mate...... Does Tpap know

wht don't you ask him? He's on facebook apparently.

Do you get the feeling lately that Zanny is getting rather desperate and pissed off?

I think he's angry at that expose I did of his mates at Greekmurderers.Net

[zan]

sorry to dissapoint Zan but i don't vote Tpap.

You just happen to be best friends with his son.......The grapevine has been whispering.......

Whether thats true or not whats it got to do with my vote?

Nothing mate...... Does Tpap know

wht don't you ask him? He's on facebook apparently.

Do you get the feeling lately that Zanny is getting rather desperate and pissed off?

I think he's angry at that expose I did of his mates at Greekmurderers.Net

AHHH! The second in command has turned up...How long does it take to get out of a dress GR.......May I tell you that you do not have to dress for the role you know....WE cant see you!!!!!

[boomerang]

sorry to dissapoint Zan but i don't vote Tpap.

You just happen to be best friends with his son.......The grapevine has been whispering.......

Whether thats true or not whats it got to do with my vote?

Nothing mate...... Does Tpap know

wht don't you ask him? He's on facebook apparently.

Do you get the feeling lately that Zanny is getting rather desperate and pissed off?

I think he's angry at that expose I did of his mates at Greekmurderers.Net

AHHH! The second in command has turned up...How long does it take to get out of a dress GR.......May I tell you that you do not have to dress for the role you know....WE cant see you!!!!!

Zan, MrFrong will be meeting Phoenix at the next meet...I wonder what will be your argument then?

[zan]

sorry to dissapoint Zan but i don't vote Tpap.

You just happen to be best friends with his son.......The grapevine has been whispering.......

Whether thats true or not whats it got to do with my vote?

Nothing mate...... Does Tpap know

wht don't you ask him? He's on facebook apparently.

Do you get the feeling lately that Zanny is getting rather desperate and pissed off?

I think he's angry at that expose I did of his mates at Greekmurderers.Net

AHHH! The second in command has turned up...How long does it take to get out of a dress GR.......May I tell you that you do not have to dress for the role you know....WE cant see you!!!!!

Zan, MrFrong will be meeting Phoenix at the next meet...I wonder what will be your argument then?

can't wait to see the pictures.....It is a shame that GR will be bringing a person he says is her though...... Maybe she will pull a sicky at the last moment.....I am not easily fooled Boomers........

[Kikapu]

I don't know whether Talat is an Idiot or not and it doesn't really matter, because no self respecting leader of any community can claim to be a "leader", when in fact they are nothing more than a "mouth piece or a puppet" for another country. When someone lets others use them for money, we have a name for them, and it's not very pretty.

But that's not what I really want to focus on...exactly. I always read about how President Talat met this person, or that person at his Presidential Palace, or issued a statement from there. Talat has a Presidential Palace.??? Shocking !!. People are "starving from the isolation" and he lives in a Palace, and for just being a "Puppet". Who's butt does one needs to kiss to get that job, I wonder ??. I would really like to see a picture of Talat's Presidential Palace. Perhaps our good friend Halil will give us one, because I have my idea of what kind of a Presidential Palace Talat deserves.

This is it.



Talat's "Presidential Palace"

[Nikitas]

Kikapu,

There is a Greek American lady architect in Los Angeles who sepcialises in luxury Tipis. They come complete with four poster beds, chandeliers, parquet floors, cocktail cabinet etc. Now that would be a Tipi fit for a president. Actually it would be prety good for me too, but I cannot afford one.

[halil]

I don't know whether Talat is an Idiot or not and it doesn't really matter, because no self respecting leader of any community can claim to be a "leader", when in fact they are nothing more than a "mouth piece or a puppet" for another country. When someone lets others use them for money, we have a name for them, and it's not very pretty.

But that's not what I really want to focus on...exactly. I always read about how President Talat met this person, or that person at his Presidential Palace, or issued a statement from there. Talat has a Presidential Palace.??? Shocking !!. People are "starving from the isolation" and he lives in a Palace, and for just being a "Puppet". Who's butt does one needs to kiss to get that job, I wonder ??. I would really like to see a picture of Talat's Presidential Palace. Perhaps our good friend Halil will give us one, because I have my idea of what kind of a Presidential Palace Talat deserves.

This is it.



Talat's "Presidential Palace"

Kikapu ,
stop wasting your valuable times by propaganda movements mate.
try to consecrate your valuable with sensible and honourable suggestions.
Don't play with our elected president oneday u will beg for his forgive and read below article and nevermind and join more sensible forums.


Cyprus: Beyond conflict

By Costa Carras for openDemocracy 06/02/08

"Who's to blame?" is a stupid game. In Cyprus, after six decades of conflict, it has lost the audience's patience. At each stage, there has never been a shortage of candidates to blame for political instability in the Mediterranean island: the British colonial government that took over Cyprus in 1878 and denied central representative institutions from 1931 until independence in 1960; the inter-communal leaders during the troubles of 1958 and 1963-64; the Greek junta's coup and Turkey's partition of the island in 1974; the rejection by the Greek Cypriots of the disputed "Annan plan" in 2004, just before the Republic of Cyprus joined the European Union.

Despite this six-decades' old "blame game", however, Cyprus also displays many positive features. The relationship between Greek and Turkish Cypriots is perhaps closer than that between Protestants and Catholics in Northern Ireland - certainly than that between Palestinians and Israelis. Both are people of the land and probably share a great deal of genetic stock. As farmers they shared common customs and ways of life: as city folk they are equally careless of the environment.

Moreover, personal relations are usually good: only in periods of communal strife are there individual problems. Even after the troubles of 1963-64 about 50 percent of Turkish Cypriots continued to live in mixed communities; and even after a total division of twenty-nine years, the 2003 opening of the buffer-zone led to an impressive re-emergence of widespread and notably civilized contact.

[b][size=18]Today, new ideas are gradually emerging - one each has recently been proposed to the United Nations by Tassos Papadopoulos (on behalf of the Greek Cypriots) and Mehmet Ali Talat (on behalf of the Turkish Cypriots). [/b][/size]Papadopoulos proposed a civil-society consultative body to create an opportunity for the airing of fresh and creative ideas; Talat a "reconciliation commission" to promote understanding, tolerance and mutual respect. Both ideas were endorsed at a meeting of the Cyprus chapter of the Greek-Turkish Forum, held in Athens on 28-29 November 2007.

Toward a settlement: four issues
It is worth examining four central issues that the present condition of Cyprus raises - issues that, indeed, are also critical to the future of many other countries.

First, how can two communities live together in a land all of whose territory was traditionally settled by both, but with neither the umbrella of a state committed to maintaining equity (as in Northern Ireland) nor a common political allegiance stretching back across generations? Belgium demonstrates that even where this last factor once existed, the democratic process encourages fissiparous tendencies, so long as politicians appeal for votes solely to "their own" communities.

The solution, long ago worked out by the London-based "Friends of Cyprus" in meetings between Greek and Turkish Cypriots, is to acknowledge that sustainable democracy in a bi-communal state demands that politicians in each community should be obliged also to appeal for votes in the other. How? Through separate communal lists (already required in Cyprus) and an equal percentage input by each community in the choice of the other's elected representatives: "cross-voting" suddenly means voters from the other community also count!

Such a system could be incorporated into many different constitutional structures, including that of the Swiss conciliar system proposed by the UN. Without cross-voting, even a genuine federation would serve as a preparation either for partition or for normal majority rule - both of which were excluded by the three high-level agreements reached between the communities in 1977, 1979 and (most constructively) on 8 July 2006.

However, might not partition be achieved far more directly - via the presence of a Turkish occupying force? Yes, and here is the second central issue. There are several countries in the world that can only be genuinely independent if their defense is ensured regionally rather than nationally. In 2004, Cyprus became not just a member of the most important regional organization, the European Union, but also the EU's outpost in the world's most dangerous area. In this light, a regional force under EU command, but including a Turkish contingent, would provide the most effective and impartial guarantee for all Cypriots' security. A Cypriot force, drawn equally from the two communities, would serve the EU exclusively outside Cyprus. Thus, in a world where security must increasingly become collective, Cyprus can serve not as a problem but an example.

The third issue concerns population. The ratio at independence was 82 percent Greek to 18 percent Turkish. Since 1974, Ankara has encouraged large-scale settlement from Anatolia to such a degree that those of Turkish Cypriot origin may now be a minority among those commonly described as Turkish Cypriot. The valid argument that this infringes the fourth Geneva convention is met by pleas for the human rights of settlers' children born and brought up in Cyprus.

Here as elsewhere, new approaches are needed which balance respect for traditional demographic ratios (in justice to established populations) with respect for individuals who have had no other home. Fortunately, the first census after British rule began in 1878 found Turkish Cypriots to be 24.5 percent. Perhaps then, citizenship should be given to Turkish settlers' children born and brought up in Cyprus, up to this overall percentage. Their parents might remain in Cyprus as residents but not as citizens, or be subsidized to return.

The fourth issue concerns the challenge to international legality represented by two developments, one long-standing and one more recent: the Turkish Cypriot unilateral declaration of independence in 1983, which was condemned by the international community; and the British government's efforts since autumn 2007 to upgrade the political status of the Turkish Cypriot administration vis-à-vis the Republic of Cyprus, while downgrading it vis-à-vis Turkey (in order to subordinate it to London's strategic relationship with Ankara).

This is the exact opposite of what the situation requires. The looser a federation is to be, the greater the need to emphasise international legality. This entails a determined reiteration that Ankara's military occupation is contrary to the United Nations charter and undermines her European vocation. The local Turkish Cypriot administration should rather be seen as a future partner in a federation already agreed in principle and gradually evolving from the existing Republic of Cyprus, but whose detailed constitutional terms remain to be elaborated. The current British policy provides poor service indeed to the UN and many Greek and Turkish Cypriots currently striving for a viable, just and politically creative settlement.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,

There is a Greek American lady architect in Los Angeles who sepcialises in luxury Tipis. They come complete with four poster beds, chandeliers, parquet floors, cocktail cabinet etc. Now that would be a Tipi fit for a president. Actually it would be prety good for me too, but I cannot afford one.

Are the "squaws" extra, or do they come with the unit.

A lot of the camp sites in the National Parks in the Southwestern USA do have few of these tipi's that I posted. They can also be seen on Indian Reservations, but these are for the purpose of the tourist and not to be lived in one.

[BC Numismatics]

Don't you mean 'teepee' or 'wigwam'?

Aidan.