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2008 a Good year 4 the TRNC

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby miltiades » Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:37 pm

zan wrote:
Expatkiwi wrote:It was because I wanted to hear the other side of the story that I decided that the Turkish Cypriots got a raw deal from the Greeks and Greek Cypriots, Zan. I have no regrets about that.


Thank you Expat....And that is what is happening all over the world....People are angry at the "RoC" for duping them all these years.

Which countries are you referring to Zan , all over the world , that are so angry with the ROC and yet not a single one has yet to recognise the ""true republic "" !
Do you honestly believe that the International community does not see that there are in Cyprus 40 thousand occupying troops , thousands of settlers and yet they see that the ROC has conned them for years !!
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Postby paaul12 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 8:05 pm

Which countries are you referring to Zan , all over the world , that are so angry with the ROC and yet not a single one has yet to recognise the ""true republic "" !
Do you honestly believe that the International community does not see that there are in Cyprus 40 thousand occupying troops , thousands of settlers and yet they see that the ROC has conned them for years !!


u could start with the EU, :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby paaul12 » Fri Feb 08, 2008 9:15 pm

“The time has come for serious negotiations. The window of opportunity we have this year will not remain open forever.”

There is a growing feeling among international mediators that if another new round of Cyprus talks fail, it will be the last time and that the island will finally have to face up to permanent partition.

Any new initiative hinges on the outcome of the presidential elections this month.



http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1


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Postby miltiades » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:02 pm

paaul12 wrote:
Which countries are you referring to Zan , all over the world , that are so angry with the ROC and yet not a single one has yet to recognise the ""true republic "" !
Do you honestly believe that the International community does not see that there are in Cyprus 40 thousand occupying troops , thousands of settlers and yet they see that the ROC has conned them for years !!


u could start with the EU, :lol: :lol: :lol:

And you could start by being a T/C first of all not an Anatolian settler .However , you are I believe 100% Anatolian settler .
Back to your point NO NATION has as yet recognised the "TRNC" do not misinterpret the good intentions of either the EU or the UN , in striving to improve the conditions of the T/Cs .

ps . Just in case I'm wrong and indeed you are a T/C may I just say that it is plonkers like you whose allegiance lies with a foreign nation that are the cancer of the Cypriot society. Plonkers exist amongst both sides. True Cypriots align themselves to Cyprus.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:09 pm

miltiades wrote:
paaul12 wrote:
Which countries are you referring to Zan , all over the world , that are so angry with the ROC and yet not a single one has yet to recognise the ""true republic "" !
Do you honestly believe that the International community does not see that there are in Cyprus 40 thousand occupying troops , thousands of settlers and yet they see that the ROC has conned them for years !!


u could start with the EU, :lol: :lol: :lol:

And you could start by being a T/C first of all not an Anatolian settler .However , you are I believe 100% Anatolian settler .
Back to your point NO NATION has as yet recognised the "TRNC" do not misinterpret the good intentions of either the EU or the UN , in striving to improve the conditions of the T/Cs .

ps . Just in case I'm wrong and indeed you are a T/C may I just say that it is plonkers like you whose allegiance lies with a foreign nation that are the cancer of the Cypriot society. Plonkers exist amongst both sides. True Cypriots align themselves to Cyprus.



That's all we are asking for is a relaxation of isolation so that we can have a level playing field but this will never be allowed by GCs as they feel keeping us hostage will keep us wanting a solution, how wrong they are it will only make us more determined not to unite and get closer to Turkey.
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Postby paliometoxo » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:25 pm

because once isolations are relaxed/lifted then TRNC will say thanks...goodbye and there will NEVER be re-unification
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:28 pm

paliometoxo wrote:because once isolations are relaxed/lifted then TRNC will say thanks...goodbye and there will NEVER be re-unification



Why do you say that there are still many issue we need to resolve eg land refugees settlers and the army etc
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Postby paaul12 » Fri Feb 08, 2008 10:38 pm

you are I believe 100% Anatolian settler
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Postby paaul12 » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:37 am

Greek Cyprus watches with hostility Kosovo's move towards independence
By Quentin Peel

Published: February 6 2008 02:00 | Last updated: February 6 2008 02:00

Now the Serbian presidential election is over, the unilateral independence of Kosovo is likely to be declared within a matter of weeks. It may be a tiny, remote, poor and mountainous land, but the consequences of the move will spread far beyond its Balkan borders.

Although the great majority of Serbs remain strenuously opposed, Kosovo's independence will swiftly be recognised by the US, followed by leading members of the European Union, including the UK, France and Germany. It will be a de facto recognition, not a de jure one. Russia is blocking any United Nations resolution, both out of loyalty to Serbia and from a more fundamental objection to the principle of self-determination.

Several EU member states also remain deeply hesitant, fearful of the precedent set by allowing an ethnic minority to declare independence without winning agreement from the country it is leaving. Spain is one such, fearing the encouragement it will give to Basque secessionists. Slovakia is another, Romania a third. They will delay any recognition as long as possible.

Of all the EU members, however, the most hostile is the republic of Cyprus. Speaking in Helsinki last week, Erato Markoulli, the Greek Cypriot foreign minister, said her country "cannot and will not recognise a unilateral declaration of independence. This is an issue of principle, of respect for international law, but also an issue of concern that it will create a precedent in international relations."

Ms Markoulli denied the stance had anything to do with northern Cyprus, the Turkish-ruled part of the island whose independence has been recognised only by Turkey. Yet that is clearly the most threatening precedent. If Kosovo wins recognition from the US and UK, how long will they refuse to do the same for the self-styled Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus?

Many EU members now regret allowing Cyprus to join without resolving its internal division. The Greek Cypriots rejected Kofi Annan's UN plan for unification, after the Turkish Cypriots had voted heavily in favour in 2004. Ever since, Cyprus has used its membership to delay or disrupt every attempt at opening links to the northern enclave.

Yet, in a curious way, the Kosovo move could be just the shock needed to get the two sides back together. It will come at much the same time as a critical presidential election in Cyprus - the two rounds are on February 17 and 21 - that is seen as a potential watershed for UN negotiations to be launched, or for the divided island to be partitioned for good.

Tassos Papadopoulos, the incumbent president, who led the campaign against the Annan plan, could be defeated in a run-off against his principal challenger, Demetris Christofias, leader of Akel, the Communist party. Mr Christofias also voted No to the Annan plan, but he is committed to seeking a new deal. So is Yiannakis Cassoulides, the conservative former foreign minister, who is running third. The race is too close to call.

The northern Cypriots are holding their breath. "2008 may be the last opportunity for an international settlement," says Turgay Avci, foreign minister of the Turkish Cypriot administration. "For so many months we have been told to wait for the elections, because the leadership may change. I don't think it will make a big difference. What we expect is that whoever wins the election will come to the table for a comprehensive solution."

Among Greek Cypriots, however, Mr Papadopoulos is seen as the person least likely to make any move. He has the support of nationalists and the Greek Orthodox church in Cyprus, but his truculent negotiating style in the EU has worried those Cypriots who wish to be accepted as "full Europeans".

"People are worried that no good initiatives have come from Tassos," says one Greek Cypriot academic. "He is always blocking and blustering. It does not give them any pleasure to be seen as always the awkward customers."

That does not give Mr Avci much reassurance. "We are isolated," he says. "We have no free trade. There are no direct flights. There are no cultural or educational openings in the EU. As long as they treat Greek Cyprus as the only power in Cyprus, there will be no solution."

But at least he will be watching what happens to Kosovo "very quietly, and very closely".

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Postby humanist » Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:58 am

Many EU members now regret allowing Cyprus to join without resolving its internal division.


Too frigin bad, they need to build a bridge and get over it now:)
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