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miltiades this is another goodwill gesture me thinks from Christofiyas, so far for me he has taken all the right steps, ı ony hope he does not get cold feet when agreeing as possible solution, bold moves are necessary to rattle the TCs and Turks into action so as to clinch a deal and he may just be the man for the job.

VP , my quick response to Pauul who I see as NOT a Turkish Cypriot was not in any way critical of the EU aid getting through to the T/Cs. I'm all for any action that our people will benefit from. Pauul and the likes of him are contributing sweet fa to the benefit of our people. I believe they should do the honourable deed and leave the shores of Cyprus for the greener pastures of Turkey and Greece taking with them their foreign emblems under which so many atrocities were committed against the Cypriot people. I have no time for parasites that use our island while at the same time have their heads deeply embedded in their respective motherlands' arses.
The EU aid is for the benefit of the Turkish Cypriot people alone.

miltiades aren't you being rather short sighted where globalization is the norm even the EU supports freedom of movement and settlement anywhere in the EU. People like Paul live here in harmony with us, we have no problems with them and they do contribute to our economy as they are consumers and tax payers. Their past may be chequered but its us who fell for their divide and rule tactics its always easier to blame someone else than face your own demons and compromise towards a solution.

The EU supports freedom of movement amongst its members.

I thought Paul was British, arent they members any more? or maybe its the english name that threw me.

[miltiades]

miltiades this is another goodwill gesture me thinks from Christofiyas, so far for me he has taken all the right steps, ı ony hope he does not get cold feet when agreeing as possible solution, bold moves are necessary to rattle the TCs and Turks into action so as to clinch a deal and he may just be the man for the job.

VP , my quick response to Pauul who I see as NOT a Turkish Cypriot was not in any way critical of the EU aid getting through to the T/Cs. I'm all for any action that our people will benefit from. Pauul and the likes of him are contributing sweet fa to the benefit of our people. I believe they should do the honourable deed and leave the shores of Cyprus for the greener pastures of Turkey and Greece taking with them their foreign emblems under which so many atrocities were committed against the Cypriot people. I have no time for parasites that use our island while at the same time have their heads deeply embedded in their respective motherlands' arses.
The EU aid is for the benefit of the Turkish Cypriot people alone.

miltiades aren't you being rather short sighted where globalization is the norm even the EU supports freedom of movement and settlement anywhere in the EU. People like Paul live here in harmony with us, we have no problems with them and they do contribute to our economy as they are consumers and tax payers. Their past may be chequered but its us who fell for their divide and rule tactics its always easier to blame someone else than face your own demons and compromise towards a solution.

The EU supports freedom of movement amongst its members.

I thought Paul was British, arent they members any more? or maybe its the English name that threw me.

English he most definitely isn't . Turkish Cypriot absolutely not !
He is Turkish as per his avatar ! Therefore NOT a Cypriot !

[DT.]

miltiades this is another goodwill gesture me thinks from Christofiyas, so far for me he has taken all the right steps, ı ony hope he does not get cold feet when agreeing as possible solution, bold moves are necessary to rattle the TCs and Turks into action so as to clinch a deal and he may just be the man for the job.

VP , my quick response to Pauul who I see as NOT a Turkish Cypriot was not in any way critical of the EU aid getting through to the T/Cs. I'm all for any action that our people will benefit from. Pauul and the likes of him are contributing sweet fa to the benefit of our people. I believe they should do the honourable deed and leave the shores of Cyprus for the greener pastures of Turkey and Greece taking with them their foreign emblems under which so many atrocities were committed against the Cypriot people. I have no time for parasites that use our island while at the same time have their heads deeply embedded in their respective motherlands' arses.
The EU aid is for the benefit of the Turkish Cypriot people alone.

miltiades aren't you being rather short sighted where globalization is the norm even the EU supports freedom of movement and settlement anywhere in the EU. People like Paul live here in harmony with us, we have no problems with them and they do contribute to our economy as they are consumers and tax payers. Their past may be chequered but its us who fell for their divide and rule tactics its always easier to blame someone else than face your own demons and compromise towards a solution.

The EU supports freedom of movement amongst its members.

I thought Paul was British, arent they members any more? or maybe its the English name that threw me.

English he most definitely isn't . Turkish Cypriot absolutely not !
He is Turkish as per his avatar ! Therefore NOT a Cypriot !

don't care who he is, if his passport is EU then he can come ang go as he pleases through the legal ports of entry of all member states.

[paaul12]

Miltiades wrote

English he most definitely isn't . Turkish Cypriot absolutely not !
He is Turkish as per his avatar ! Therefore NOT a Cypriot !

Çok teþekkür ederim

[miltiades]

Miltiades wrote

English he most definitely isn't . Turkish Cypriot absolutely not !
He is Turkish as per his avatar ! Therefore NOT a Cypriot !

Çok teþekkür ederim

Did Eric teach you to say that Plonker

[paaul12]

There is no plan B
By Jean Christou

One state with one sovereignty is the only way forward says Christofias

IT WAS high time Greek Cypriots understood that the solution to the Cyprus problem would be a bicommunal, bizonal federation, President Christofias said yesterday.

“It was decided in 1977 and 1979 that we would have a painful solution and that will be a bicommunal, bizonal federation, which will change our lives,” Christofias told a ‘state of the union’ news conference.

“It’s high time people started to understand that in Cyprus we are going to have a federation. I hope we are going to understand this eventually.”

Christofias said some quarters on the Greek Cypriot side did not wish to have a federal solution. This was evident, he said.

Greek Cypriots needed to understand that they are partners with Turkish Cypriots since 1960. "Unfortunately foreign intervention and chauvinist elements on both sides didn't let that work,’ he said.

Christofias said he has the support of the political parties for new negotiations with Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat, despite reservations from some individual quarters in the Greek Cypriot political arena.

“I don’t have a Plan B. I want you to know this,” said Christofias. “And I want to believe Mr Talat doesn’t have a Plan B either. We will continue the effort to start direct talks. There is no alternative solution,” he added.

The two leaders are due to meet again on July 25 when they will decide whether to go ahead and start negotiations.

“There is no deadline for starting talks. We tried time limits and deadlines in 2004 and both communities have bitter experiences of that,” said the President.

He said the clarification of the negotiating basis for new talks, as set down in the leaders’ agreements of March 21, May 23 and July 1 was an important way forward.

“This means two constituent states with equal status and regimes. There have been some efforts to misinterpret this,” he said.

“The basis for talks is clear, unless you want to play with words. It’s clear we are going to have one state with one sovereignty.”

Christofias also credited Talat for the positive developments but said he was not willing to bend over backwards either for the Turkish Cypriot leader who has been facing heavy criticism over the sovereignty issue.

“I can’t facilitate Mr Talat by going against my principles and I told him too. Each one has his own struggle,” said Christofias.

“We hear complaints about Christofias criticising Turkey. I want to make it clear the critics will just have to get used to that. We have an occupation. Turkey is the key for a solution. We do have a say because our fate is interwoven with that happens there,” he added referring to the current crisis there.

The President said the obstacles ahead were many, complicated and complex but said his government had fulfilled its pledge to end the stagnation of the last five years.

Mobility, dialogue, prospects for the commencement of talks, dialogue with Talat, international interest and the reversal of the negative climate against Greek Cypriots were evidence of his commitment to his election promises, the President said.

“The results so far justify our policy,” he added. “If I don’t take steps forward we will remain stagnant.”

Source: http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 6&cat_id=1

[paaul12]

THE CYPRUS Church, historically, has played a leading political role on the island. It bankrolled and led the anti-colonialist struggle in the ‘50s while after independence, with the late Archbishop Makarios as president, it had a stranglehold on the state as well as a big influence on politics. With the death of Makarios in 1977, Church and State finally separated and, despite the destruction of ’74, our society became more democratic, more tolerant.

His successor tried to play a political role, but his influence was limited, even though this did not stop him from making fiery speeches against a federal settlement and what he saw as a sell-out of Greek Cypriot ancestral homes. This hard-line tradition was witnessed in the run-up to the referendum in all its glory, with several bishops, including the man who is now Archbishop, campaigning against the Annan plan. One bishop, illustrating the pitiful level of debate the Church cultivated, warned that Greek Cypriots who voted for a settlement would go to hell.

It was no wonder that the new Archbishop openly sided with Tassos Papadopoulos in the last presidential elections. He had served notice that the Church would remain faithful to its hard-line stance that tolerated no concessions being made to the Turkish Cypriots for the sake of a settlement. Partition would be preferable to a federal settlement he declared, when it became apparent that the meetings between the new president and Mehmet Ali Talat were opening the way for a new round of talks. Earlier this month, speaking at the University of Athens, the Archbishop expressed his opposition to the opening of crossing points and suggested their closure.

With direct talks set to begin on September 3, the Church leadership is certain to step up its hard-line, nationalist rhetoric in the hope of mobilising opposition against a settlement. The extremist Bishop of Kyrenia went on the offensive on Sunday, accusing the president of not being entirely honest. “The people are not hearing the whole truth,” he said, disingenuously, in an attempt to stir opposition. The bishop who had made the warning about hell is hardly one talk about the truth, and neither is the Archbishop who had told refugees to vote ‘no’ in the referendum as the Church would give them land to build on – a promised he subsequently dismissed as a joke.

We will hear a lot more patriotic platitudes from our Church leaders, over the next few months. However their political influence is fading as an opinion poll published in Politis on Sunday showed. Only 26 per cent of respondents approved of the way the Archbishop was behaving in relation to the Cyprus problem; an overwhelming 63 per cent did not approve. The poll results were very encouraging, suggesting that people have finally wised up to the catastrophic role played by the Church leadership in Cyprus politics. It was about time people stopped listening to demagogue priests.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2008

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... &archive=1




i must do what my church tells me, they r so clever and know everything


u r so much in the dark ages, u should try geting out more!!!! still it did give me a good laugh

[DT.]

Do you even bother reading the articles you post? It says the oppossite of your extremely witty footnote.

Dark ages? Your turkish flag is currently burning in Turkey and you're in danger of being bombed further IN the dark ages right now so I'd concentrate on your home first before failing to criticse the Govt and people of Cyprus once again.

[paaul12]

One bishop, illustrating the pitiful level of debate the Church cultivated, warned that Greek Cypriots who voted for a settlement would go to hell.

tell me r u buying this one?

if u dont vote the way the old bis tells u, u go 2 hell. am i geting it correct?


very dark ages, dont u agree? but alos very funny

[miltiades]

One bishop, illustrating the pitiful level of debate the Church cultivated, warned that Greek Cypriots who voted for a settlement would go to hell.

tell me r u buying this one?

if u dont vote the way the old bis tells u, u go 2 hell. am i geting it correct?


very dark ages, dont u agree? but alos very funny

You got it wrong little Turk , we Cypriots do not give a shit what a Bishop says , you see we are a progressive sort we have moved in the 21st century and we can tell the Bishop or any other Church official to go and take a run and a jump. As Cypriots we do not need to dirty our faces by putting them up the arse of a foreign nation. I suggest you go and join the forthcoming demonstrations in Turkey on the hugely important aspect of scarf wearing !!!
ps. In Cyprus the Church also objects to women showing their tits on the beach , we Cypriots demand that the more tits the better and to hell with the Churches wishes. This is the difference little Turk , scarf wearing or tit exhibiting take your tit !!!
Dark ages my arse !!!