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[FreeSpirit]

Hello FreeSpirit,

I'm implying no such thing. My point is that had the U.S. not invaded Iraq, it would not be in it's current sad state of affairs no matter from where these insurgence come. My question is: Did Cheney, Rumsfeldt, and Bush such an insurgency or not?

You are so hell bent in your anti western views that you can't see the wood for the trees, whether they did or didn't forsee the terrorism is of no censequence; the true fact is that the terrorist for the most part are from outside iraq.
Had the Liberation not taken place; in a very short time you would have found your whole lifestyle changed financialy due to the rising cost of fuel and the repercussions that would have resulted; all brought on by saddam holding the world to ransome over fuel supplies, I suppose that would have made you happy along with his continuing mass murdering pastime.

[Filitsa]

Hello FreeSpirit,

I'm implying no such thing. My point is that had the U.S. not invaded Iraq, it would not be in it's current sad state of affairs no matter from where these insurgence come. My question is: Did Cheney, Rumsfeldt, and Bush such an insurgency or not?

You are so hell bent in your anti western views that you can't see the wood for the trees, whether they did or didn't forsee the terrorism is of no censequence; the true fact is that the terrorist for the most part are from outside iraq.
Had the Liberation not taken place; in a very short time you would have found your whole lifestyle changed financialy due to the rising cost of fuel and the repercussions that would have resulted; all brought on by saddam holding the world to ransome over fuel supplies, I suppose that would have made you happy along with his continuing mass murdering pastime.

[Get Real!]

You are so hell bent in your anti western views that you can't see the wood for the trees, whether they did or didn't forsee the terrorism is of no censequence; the true fact is that the terrorist for the most part are from outside iraq.
Had the Liberation not taken place; in a very short time you would have found your whole lifestyle changed financialy due to the rising cost of fuel and the repercussions that would have resulted; all brought on by saddam holding the world to ransome over fuel supplies, I suppose that would have made you happy along with his continuing mass murdering pastime.

Iraq’s oil production was always very small compared to that of the rest of the world and reached its peak in 1990 when it pumped about 3.5 million barrels a day. Today it manages around 2m b/d. Here’s a table to give you an idea of what’s happening on a global scale…

http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/country/index.cfm

…so the notion that Iraq did or could have held the world to ransom is total crap.

Like all commodities oil price is affected by demand and supply and that can only be controlled by the major producers or say the top five countries in the chart and Iraq is nowhere near them.

Here’s a great site for Oil Price History and Analysis...

http://www.wtrg.com/prices.htm

[Filitsa]

Hello FreeSpirit,

I'm implying no such thing. My point is that had the U.S. not invaded Iraq, it would not be in it's current sad state of affairs no matter from where these insurgence come. My question is: Did Cheney, Rumsfeldt, and Bush such an insurgency or not?

You are so hell bent in your anti western views that you can't see the wood for the trees ...

I must admit that I'm amused by your presumption that I'm "anti-western." What do you know about me that supports this assertion?

whether they did or didn't forsee the terrorism is of no censequence; the true fact is that the terrorist for the most part are from outside iraq.

"Of no consequence"? You're kidding, right? How then did Bush et al. expect the coalition forces to go about defending Iraq if they couldn't anticipate their enemy?

Do you know that there are close to 100 different insurgent groups in Iraq (and yes, many of them come trained in terrorism from Islamic nations outside of Iraq)? Do you know that Iraqis continue to join the ranks of insurgents because of promises unkept by their liberators, because to them "collateral" damage translates to fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, and children? Do you know that the coalition leaders have no idea as to when this insurgency will subside?

Had the Liberation not taken place; in a very short time you would have found your whole lifestyle changed financialy due to the rising cost of fuel and the repercussions that would have resulted; all brought on by saddam holding the world to ransome over fuel supplies, I suppose that would have made you happy along with his continuing mass murdering pastime.

As a noun, ransom is consideration demanded for the release of someone or something held captive. As a verb, it is to pay consideration demanded for the release of someone or something held captive. Are you sure you don't mean "holding the world hostage? Nevertheless, I as much believe that Sadam was able to hold the world hostage over oil as I believe your use of the word "ransome" is syntactically correct (or spelled correctly for that matter).

And here's the kicker: you're justifying this lame excuse for a "liberation" with the notion that my lifestyle will remain in tact due to western control of oil fields in Iraq. Holy moly! I've heard it all now! Do you not understand that it is this very "hooray-for-me-to-hell-with-you" mentality that's gotten the "West" into this mess in the first place?

[Eliko]

miltiades, I really must urge you to try and detach your emotions from your opinions.

There is no point in continuously supplying us with graphic descriptions of the horrors that are occuring in and around Iraq since we are all aware of them.

You again select (especially me) certain members to press your points which we are also well aware of.

I know for certain that NONE of us are in agreement with the awful actions of 'suicide bombers' so there is little point in assuming that we are in some way supportive of them.

There is little point in attacking their beliefs for a very sound and simple reason, THEY believe in them.

Criticism of their cultural differences is also quite pointless, in fact it is laughable, you would be just as well employed in criticizing an elephant because it has a trunk, their culture is what they ARE.

What we should concern ourselves with is WHY are they so averse to adopting the dominance of those who have acted so aggressively against them.

There is little point in referring to 9/11 since that opens another door to the question of WHY that took place (if in fact it ever did in the fashion we are made aware of), there must have been a reason for it.

The first step in our quest for the TRUTH of all matters pertaining to the above is quite a simple one.

Were we justified in attacking Iraq KNOWING that the reasons for so doing were based on LIES ?.

The answer to that simple question contains the answer to all relevant after events.

In my humble opinion.

Brought forward for your perusal once again miltiades.

[Eliko]

Hello FreeSpirit,

I'm implying no such thing. My point is that had the U.S. not invaded Iraq, it would not be in it's current sad state of affairs no matter from where these insurgence come. My question is: Did Cheney, Rumsfeldt, and Bush such an insurgency or not?

At 62 years old , and can never understand the love relationship between Cypriots and savages !! The Iraqi "WAR " can come to end tomorrow if these f..ng barbarians would somehow forego their spiritual decease and act in a civilized manner !! The Cypriots , excluding my self and a few others , are in love with these blistering ignorant illiterates , Why I ask my self , why on earth do we in Cyprus have to align ourselves with these garbage people who blow them selves up in public places !! What a pivotal , unethical , position to take. Damn these bastards who kill their own people and to hell with those who pretend , (fucking idiots ) to understand why !

miltiades, what you are suggesting is that the people of Iraq should surrender themselves to the aggressors.

Strange how you are unable to accept capitulation in your own country don't you think?.

Same principle on a much smaller scale I'll grant you.

[miltiades]

Hello FreeSpirit,

I'm implying no such thing. My point is that had the U.S. not invaded Iraq, it would not be in it's current sad state of affairs no matter from where these insurgence come. My question is: Did Cheney, Rumsfeldt, and Bush such an insurgency or not?

At 62 years old , and can never understand the love relationship between Cypriots and savages !! The Iraqi "WAR " can come to end tomorrow if these f..ng barbarians would somehow forego their spiritual decease and act in a civilized manner !! The Cypriots , excluding my self and a few others , are in love with these blistering ignorant illiterates , Why I ask my self , why on earth do we in Cyprus have to align ourselves with these garbage people who blow them selves up in public places !! What a pivotal , unethical , position to take. Damn these bastards who kill their own people and to hell with those who pretend , (fucking idiots ) to understand why !

miltiades, what you are suggesting is that the people of Iraq should surrender themselves to the aggressors.

Strange how you are unable to accept capitulation in your own country don't you think?.

Same principle on a much smaller scale I'll grant you.

Eliko , I'm going to be rude to you . Are you just plain thick or are you winding me up ? The people of Iraq are being slaughtered by the savages blowing themselves up in public places , where is your grotesque assumption that the people of Iraq are fighting the !aggressor " Do you read or watch news and if so have you noticed that there is in place an Iraqi government that is trying its utmost to control these savages .
These barbarians are not , I repeat are not fighting the " aggressor " but killing the innocent Iraqis , where do you and the other misguided individual keep your brains ffs ?? How many more innocents will be blown up by these prehistoric monsters before it sinks in that if they stopped peace will occur immediately >

[Eliko]

Hello FreeSpirit,

I'm implying no such thing. My point is that had the U.S. not invaded Iraq, it would not be in it's current sad state of affairs no matter from where these insurgence come. My question is: Did Cheney, Rumsfeldt, and Bush such an insurgency or not?

At 62 years old , and can never understand the love relationship between Cypriots and savages !! The Iraqi "WAR " can come to end tomorrow if these f..ng barbarians would somehow forego their spiritual decease and act in a civilized manner !! The Cypriots , excluding my self and a few others , are in love with these blistering ignorant illiterates , Why I ask my self , why on earth do we in Cyprus have to align ourselves with these garbage people who blow them selves up in public places !! What a pivotal , unethical , position to take. Damn these bastards who kill their own people and to hell with those who pretend , (fucking idiots ) to understand why !

miltiades, what you are suggesting is that the people of Iraq should surrender themselves to the aggressors.

Strange how you are unable to accept capitulation in your own country don't you think?.

Same principle on a much smaller scale I'll grant you.

Eliko , I'm going to be rude to you . Are you just plain thick or are you winding me up ? The people of Iraq are being slaughtered by the savages blowing themselves up in public places , where is your grotesque assumption that the people of Iraq are fighting the !aggressor " Do you read or watch news and if so have you noticed that there is in place an Iraqi government that is trying its utmost to control these savages .
These barbarians are not , I repeat are not fighting the " aggressor " but killing the innocent Iraqis , where do you and the other misguided individual keep your brains ffs ?? How many more innocents will be blown up by these prehistoric monsters before it sinks in that if they stopped peace will occur immediately >

Does it never occur to you that perhaps the people of Iraq do not WANT the imposed 'Democracy' ?.

Accepting THAT fact, may throw some light on the terrible actions that are now taking place.

There is no such thing as a 'WAR' in Iraq, such a title conjures up a certain degree of 'Honour' and the aggressors have no right to lay claim to such.

In my humble opinion.

[FreeSpirit]

miltiades, what you are suggesting is that the people of Iraq should surrender themselves to the aggressors.:

Why should they? with the help of their liberators they will overcome this terrorism.

[FreeSpirit]

There is no such thing as a 'WAR' in Iraq, such a title conjures up a certain degree of 'Honour' and the aggressors have no right to lay claim to such.

How true terrorism is terrorism especialy when using Downes Syndrome sufferers to carry out such barbaric acts.