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[kafenes]

Thanks MR-from-NG.
IOceman, I do have the folding wooden table for it to go on, but it's in poor condition.
BC, no there is no marks on the back.

[denizaksulu]

As a collector of many things, I have this tray (haven't got round to polishing yet) which I believe is Turkish. It is hand crafted by the looks of it and very detailed. Can someone tell me more about it? Description etc.?
It's around 60cm across.

I love all this. If it was made in Turkey (which it is not) the writing would have still been some Arabic or Persian formulas. In the centre it says Allah so it is not Persian. One of the cartouches has the mord (I think ) of Magrib - which would have been the western Arab world ie. Fas, Tunisisa or Cezayir. My guess is Moroccan. I have quite a few of these lus rectangular Persian ones.

Someone has tried to polish this one which has taken the sheen off. I am sure it was not Kafenes.

Tomorrow in day light I will be looking for more clues as to the origin. The background arc designs surely are Morrocan.

[kafenes]

As a collector of many things, I have this tray (haven't got round to polishing yet) which I believe is Turkish. It is hand crafted by the looks of it and very detailed. Can someone tell me more about it? Description etc.?
It's around 60cm across.

I love all this. If it was made in Turkey (which it is not) the writing would have still been some Arabic or Persian formulas. In the centre it says Allah so it is not Persian. One of the cartouches has the mord (I think ) of Magrib - which would have been the western Arab world ie. Fas, Tunisisa or Cezayir. My guess is Moroccan. I have quite a few of these lus rectangular Persian ones.

Someone has tried to polish this one which has taken the sheen off. I am sure it was not Kafenes.

Tomorrow in day light I will be looking for more clues as to the origin. The background arc designs surely are Morrocan.

Thanks Deniz, very interesting. I guess if I hold on to it for a hundred years or so it might be worth something.

[MR-from-NG]

Sorry Iceman but I've just been told its a modern piece, probably made in Syria or Egypt in imitation of Mamluk metalwork, which is a type of metalwork made in the Mamluk Empire (Egypt and Syria) between the 13th and 16th century.

The writing is in Arabic not old Turkish. The central inscription says Allah and the one around it are the various titles of God.

Well....all i know is these were in fashion at one time and people visiting Turkey would bring them back...It wouldn't surprise me if they were originally from Syria..

Yes mate, a lot of these types of craft objects that are sold in Turkey are made in the Arab world anyway.

[MR-from-NG]

As a collector of many things, I have this tray (haven't got round to polishing yet) which I believe is Turkish. It is hand crafted by the looks of it and very detailed. Can someone tell me more about it? Description etc.?
It's around 60cm across.

I love all this. If it was made in Turkey (which it is not) the writing would have still been some Arabic or Persian formulas. In the centre it says Allah so it is not Persian. One of the cartouches has the mord (I think ) of Magrib - which would have been the western Arab world ie. Fas, Tunisisa or Cezayir. My guess is Moroccan. I have quite a few of these lus rectangular Persian ones.

Someone has tried to polish this one which has taken the sheen off. I am sure it was not Kafenes.

Tomorrow in day light I will be looking for more clues as to the origin. The background arc designs surely are Morrocan.

Just been told the word Magrib is not written on the tray. It is not likely to have been made West of Egypt. (Btw, I'm just the messenger )

[denizaksulu]

As a collector of many things, I have this tray (haven't got round to polishing yet) which I believe is Turkish. It is hand crafted by the looks of it and very detailed. Can someone tell me more about it? Description etc.?
It's around 60cm across.

I love all this. If it was made in Turkey (which it is not) the writing would have still been some Arabic or Persian formulas. In the centre it says Allah so it is not Persian. One of the cartouches has the mord (I think ) of Magrib - which would have been the western Arab world ie. Fas, Tunisisa or Cezayir. My guess is Moroccan. I have quite a few of these lus rectangular Persian ones.

Someone has tried to polish this one which has taken the sheen off. I am sure it was not Kafenes.

Tomorrow in day light I will be looking for more clues as to the origin. The background arc designs surely are Morrocan.

Thanks Deniz, very interesting. I guess if I hold on to it for a hundred years or so it might be worth something.

The few I bought were for their aestetic beauty. I love Arabic Calligraphy. Old Turkish being the easiest to read. The ones used in Turkey are most likely made in Syria or Egypt. The designs as mentioned by other keen forumers would be based on earlier designs.

[MR-from-NG]

As a collector of many things, I have this tray (haven't got round to polishing yet) which I believe is Turkish. It is hand crafted by the looks of it and very detailed. Can someone tell me more about it? Description etc.?
It's around 60cm across.

I love all this. If it was made in Turkey (which it is not) the writing would have still been some Arabic or Persian formulas. In the centre it says Allah so it is not Persian. One of the cartouches has the mord (I think ) of Magrib - which would have been the western Arab world ie. Fas, Tunisisa or Cezayir. My guess is Moroccan. I have quite a few of these lus rectangular Persian ones.

Someone has tried to polish this one which has taken the sheen off. I am sure it was not Kafenes.

Tomorrow in day light I will be looking for more clues as to the origin. The background arc designs surely are Morrocan.

Thanks Deniz, very interesting. I guess if I hold on to it for a hundred years or so it might be worth something.

The few I bought were for their aestetic beauty. I love Arabic Calligraphy. Old Turkish being the easiest to read. The ones used in Turkey are most likely made in Syria or Egypt. The designs as mentioned by other keen forumers would be based on earlier designs.

Just been told the motifs in the background are what those in the know call "split-leaf palmettes" which were used all the way from Egypt to Central Asia but very rarely in Morocco.

[denizaksulu]

As a collector of many things, I have this tray (haven't got round to polishing yet) which I believe is Turkish. It is hand crafted by the looks of it and very detailed. Can someone tell me more about it? Description etc.?
It's around 60cm across.

I love all this. If it was made in Turkey (which it is not) the writing would have still been some Arabic or Persian formulas. In the centre it says Allah so it is not Persian. One of the cartouches has the mord (I think ) of Magrib - which would have been the western Arab world ie. Fas, Tunisisa or Cezayir. My guess is Moroccan. I have quite a few of these lus rectangular Persian ones.

Someone has tried to polish this one which has taken the sheen off. I am sure it was not Kafenes.

Tomorrow in day light I will be looking for more clues as to the origin. The background arc designs surely are Morrocan.

Thanks Deniz, very interesting. I guess if I hold on to it for a hundred years or so it might be worth something.

The few I bought were for their aestetic beauty. I love Arabic Calligraphy. Old Turkish being the easiest to read. The ones used in Turkey are most likely made in Syria or Egypt. The designs as mentioned by other keen forumers would be based on earlier designs.

Just been told the motifs in the background are what those in the know call "split-leaf palmettes" which were used all the way from Egypt to Central Asia but very rarely in Morocco.

Thanks. We will get there eventually. Art forms do 'travel'. The so called 'Moorish' architecture had travelled all the way from the near East to Spain. Yet I am in no position to argue this point. Thanks Mr.fr.NG.

[MR-from-NG]

As a collector of many things, I have this tray (haven't got round to polishing yet) which I believe is Turkish. It is hand crafted by the looks of it and very detailed. Can someone tell me more about it? Description etc.?
It's around 60cm across.

I love all this. If it was made in Turkey (which it is not) the writing would have still been some Arabic or Persian formulas. In the centre it says Allah so it is not Persian. One of the cartouches has the mord (I think ) of Magrib - which would have been the western Arab world ie. Fas, Tunisisa or Cezayir. My guess is Moroccan. I have quite a few of these lus rectangular Persian ones.

Someone has tried to polish this one which has taken the sheen off. I am sure it was not Kafenes.

Tomorrow in day light I will be looking for more clues as to the origin. The background arc designs surely are Morrocan.

Thanks Deniz, very interesting. I guess if I hold on to it for a hundred years or so it might be worth something.

The few I bought were for their aestetic beauty. I love Arabic Calligraphy. Old Turkish being the easiest to read. The ones used in Turkey are most likely made in Syria or Egypt. The designs as mentioned by other keen forumers would be based on earlier designs.

Just been told the motifs in the background are what those in the know call "split-leaf palmettes" which were used all the way from Egypt to Central Asia but very rarely in Morocco.

Thanks. We will get there eventually. Art forms do 'travel'. The so called 'Moorish' architecture had travelled all the way from the near East to Spain. Yet I am in no position to argue this point. Thanks Mr.fr.NG.

I've learnt not to argue with my son on this subject too He's a right smart-ass

[phoenix]

Excuse me!


Pompous, pretentious, pseudo-intellectuals.

If you care to take a look at the fourth post you will find that it does not need a paid-for "degree" from Harvard to suss what I have already told you for free ........

Windbag, fakes, mashen gnashen!