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[Mano]

id like to know what people think on this matter?

does anybody think things would have turned out different if Mr. Papadopouls had urged the Greek Cypriots to vote for the Annan Plan instead of against it?


to be more specific ; im not asking whether the plan was 'a good plan', i just want to know the extent of influnce people think Papadopoulos had on the outcome.

[pantelis]

Christofias' and Papadopoulos' reactions to the plan, came after the majority of the GCs reactions. The NO vote was a given, sothey both decided to maitain their popolar support and stay in power.
As soon as the "Aplan" was finalized and announced, the first reactions I received from the people I talked to, were disbelief, denial, saddness and disappontment. The hope for a last minute "repair" to the terms, turned out a big blow for the GCs and full satisfaction to Turkey's "red lines".
Papadopoulos's "YES" wouldnot have made a bit of a difference.

http://groups.msn.com/Cyprusforum/gener ... 0062305225

http://groups.msn.com/Cyprusforum/gener ... 3284862292

And this, is what the TCs had going for them
http://groups.msn.com/Cyprusforum/gener ... 3276728574

[Harry]

no difference

[Piratis]

The truth is that there is a percentage of not very educated people that simply do what their leaders tell them to do. Therefore I believe if both Christofias and Papadopoulos said "yes" that the no vote would be around 60%.

(A good example is that of DISY, that while the leadership asked from their supporters to vote "yes", the majority voted "no")

[Andrik]

In other words WE the DYSH supporters proved that we are not sheep..

As opposed to you left wing puppets..

Dont you think!??

[insan]

As soon as the "Aplan" was finalized and announced, the first reactions I received from the people I talked to, were disbelief, denial, saddness and disappontment. The hope for a last minute "repair" to the terms, turned out a big blow for the GCs and full satisfaction to Turkey's "red lines".

What's given to Turkey with Annan 5, same was given to Greece. Am I wrong, Pantelis?

It was obvious that majority of GCs would reject Annan 5 because GC leadership filled the brains of GC community with a well known "solution" thesis. Withdrawal of all Turkish troops, return of all refugees, repatriation of all settlers and majority rule. Do you think any plan that does not provide these things which promised by GC leadership; will ever be acceptable to majority GC community?

[Piratis]

Insan, what we want is solution of the Cyprus problem.

Our problems were created in 74. The main problems that the occupation brought were: refugees, Turkish troops, settlers, no access to north Cyprus.

So how can we consider as a solution something that doesn't solve our problems??? What kind of solution is that? Even worst, how can we consider as a solution something that not only doesn't solve our problems, but it creates more problems for us.

The Annan plan was not a "solution plan" it was a "problem plan" for us.

It was a solution to the TC and Turkeys problems. But don't you think a solution plan should also solve the problems of the 82% of the population?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

But don't you think a solution plan should also solve the problems of the 82% of the population?

Forget the 18% not important???

The magic solution you seek is not out there its a pipe dream the sooner we all come to realise this the better it will be for us all.

Our problems were created in 74.

Are you 100% sure??? what about 1963 to 1974??

[Piratis]

Forget the 18% not important???

The 18% was given 29% of land, 50% of power, EU, lots of money etc.

The 82% didn't even get what it legally belongs to it, not even the basic human rights! And on top of that, it would have to pay for it!!!

The magic solution you seek is not out there its a pipe dream the sooner we all come to realise this the better it will be for us all.

Even if we assume it is a "pipe dream". Why it would be better for me and what will I gain when I realize it? The Annan partition plan? I have nothing to gain from that. So I will stick with my "pipe dream".

Are you 100% sure??? what about 1963 to 1974??

When i refer to our problems ("our" in bold) I mean the problems of GCs. The problems of GCs are the ones that were not solved by Annan plan.

[insan]

The 18% was given 29% of land, 50% of power, EU, lots of money etc.

%18 was given the administration of %29 not the ownership of %29 of the land.

%50 power given to %18 for legislative matters because this is one of the most basic parameter of the solution.

%18 were obliged to accept EU membership.


Who gave to %18 lots of money?